You don’t have to but why make yourselves miserable when there’s a great big beautiful world out there. Lean to love other things as much as UK. Variety is the spice of life. Sports will always let you down.
Honest question for Cal supporters
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Well you picked a bad comparison. Roy has three titles. Cal has one. Roy has a title in the last five years, Cal has zero.
Sorry about your poor reading comprehension. The OP was about negating past accomplishments and just looking at “the bad stretch.” Starting in 2010, Roy went six straight seasons without a final four, and even missed the tournament.
The same argument being made in this thread about Cal could have been made about Roy then.
Had we won the natty last year and lost 3-4 seniors, I would expect a down year this year. Having a really good year then losing seniors, a down year is expected. Losing a whole team where none are seniors every year and having down year is not acceptable. That is a failure of recruiting
A rational person can realize that Cal is more about putting players into the NBA than he is about winning games, making Final Fours, and winning NC’s at UK. He was even greasy enough to have no on court incentives built into his current contract and Barney went for it.
Wording in his current contract.
“There are no bonuses for on-court performance and the only incentive, as was the case under the old deal, is for the program to maintain a score of 950 in the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate. That would earn him another $50,000 per year.”
At least Cal is outspoken about his goal at UK
2015
“Last year we started the season with a goal," Calipari said. "You may think it was to win a national title or win all the games, [but] it was to get eight players drafted. Well, how can you be about your team if you're worried about getting players drafted? We kind of work it the other way. What are your dreams? What are you looking for? What are you trying to get out of life? How can we help you with that?
"For me, the mission for me is to be a vehicle to help others reach their dreams, to be the stone that creates the ripple in their lives that goes on and on and on. Now in our state, they want my mission to be, 'win national titles, win national titles.' My mission is bigger than that."
Cal does tell us it’s ALL about getting players drafted over winning National Titles
Even what Cal thinks is the greatest day in the history of Kentucky basketball is the complete opposite of the fans
2010
“When Kentucky had five players selected in the first round of the 2010 NBA draft, Calipari riled longtime fans and former players by proclaiming it "the biggest day in the history of Kentucky's program."
Only an irrational person can’t realize that Calipari has hijacked the greatest program in college basketball and turned it into a NBA farm league. If you don’t have enough stars as a recruit or aren’t projected to go to the NBA you ride the pine here until you transfer in most cases. Or you just get tired and bolt for the NBA and go undrafted.
Cal is not and will never be about winning at Kentucky. He has stated this himself and even had his contract structured so that his performance at UK had no affect on his salary. His HUGE salary!
If Kentucky wins games as Cal is pumping players into the league, Cal just views that as a bonus for us fans!
We start the season with Pro Day and end it in June with Cal having someone record him watching the draft!
It‘s pathetic!
Have you ever seen a college coach cater to the NBA like Cal? Rupp would’ve never done that. He would’ve told the scouts to come to the games and watch his boys play like everyone else, that he had a team to coach and didn’t have time for that nonsense!
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I am just fine in what we are talking about. You seem to think you know me or how I would or wouldn't react. You don't. You don't at all.
He does need to change. Everyone sees that. You are the one who can't seem to stay on topic. It's hard to prop up your narrative and pretend to know what I would or wouldn't do.
I have not been as critical of Cal as I am now. Easy for you to check that. This season is a culmination of his way of doing things. Others have seen if before me. The worse thing to happen for UK was Cal getting the HOF.
You could use a team of just his guys in the NBA and likely win a title. Hard for fans to swallow that knowing he has only won one at UK with all that talent.
You’re correct, I don’t know you. Tend to hang out with more intelligent people that can present more supportable arguments than silly narratives based on emotions and not facts.
I can personally vouch for this. Cawood once was a huge sunshine pumper, because he and I had many arguments about Cal and the direction we were headed. Cawood and several more that once were huge pumpers have seen the light.
Interesting question. A bit disingenuous to ask people to disregard Cal’s full record, but interesting. The coach you describe would have entered this season at 140-39 (78% winner) with only one double loss season (26-11 in his third year). He has two Elite Eight finishes out of four trips to the tourney, and one sweet 16 and one second round departure. I think that winning percentage would be behind Adolph and Rick and ahead of Joe B and Tubby.
In a COVID season with all new players he starts 1-6 with what looks like a bad team that most UK fans thought would be very good.
An AD would be reamed for firing that coach.
[edit: that coach also has a .500 record with Duke and UNC, a winning record over MSU and UL]
In a COVID season with all new players he starts 1-6 with what looks like a bad team that most UK fans thought would be very good.
An AD would be reamed for firing that coach.
[edit: that coach also has a .500 record with Duke and UNC, a winning record over MSU and UL]
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Gotcha....you're not able to discuss this as an adult. As for the other part of your post, reveals more about you, not me.
So very true. We had several matches. I was very defensive of Cal. Probably to a fault.
I was drunk on the first 6 years. Not sure what has happened in detail since then, but it's obvious Cal's recruiting is not as elite. His staff has completely changed and his approach. I couldn't see it. I do now.
It's not just about this year. People seem to miss this point. Ths year is just the proof of the fears and concerns many on here had well before this year.
Correct. It is NOT just about this year. It is the trend and this year is the culmination of that trend. It won’t be much, if any, better next year after we lose 6/8 off this team
I was on the Cal train till 2015 and saw his pitiful game management. I knew after that game Cal would never win another title here. Then we we got to losing too many guys that were not ready for the draft, Cal dumbed down the schedule and got too wrapped up in the draft. Then all the transfers and I sensed a problem retaining players. Each year I was more convinced than ever I was right. You just saw it later than I did.
Yes, it's a real head scratcher why Cal takes some of the guys that he does. I don't even follow recruiting that much, and it was obvious just looking at the roster before the season that we were hurting in the backcourt. We have two guards on the whole roster, neither of which is a primary ball handler. Both of them are combo guards. To this point in the season, this is easily the worst ball handling team in my lifetime, and I remember every team back to Rupp's final season. Our current assist to turnover ratio: 75 assists 111 turnovers
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Well, Cal sells “positionless” basketball to recruits, this is why he always has big holes in the roster. He takes the highest ranked recruits he can get, regardless of their position and skill set.
That is very true. But the NCAA was too afraid to do it, so they are still in the record books. And the fact does remain that they played those games and won them. Just like Cal won all the games the NCAA stripped from him
My take, Cal has earned grace and patience period. Now, I am not in the lifetime corner but I will give this and next year. I am hopeful and believe the negitive Nancy's will go back to being the silent minority. Currently you are the loudest but not the majority. I still think this team has the talent and will go on a run.
And this may be an hottest refute but it’s a stupid refute. It’s clear that the program and success has been trending downward including a 1-6 start which is the worst start in over 100 years. A century.
Keep up friend.
Our last two teams have been really good. We made the elite 8 and who knows what we would have done last year. You run Cal out of here you better have a really good coach lined up.
True...but a team with Hagans and Montgomery starting was not going to make a deep run. Hagans being a head case on a successful team is an example of the mindset we need to avoid.
The flip side is also relevant in that we were two very late unexpected commits (Murray and Knox) from two NIT teams.