True, but from where I'm sitting, next year looks like it should be a good one for RU on the hardwood.
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Criticizing Pike, or Hobbs for signing Pike, given where we are, or were even before last nights win, just makes no sense to me.
It's been a remarkable turnaround for RU mens basketball.
I have to admit I am surprised at how many folks aren’t 100% behind him.
If you look at our B10 peers you can go from rags to riches and back to rags REAL quick (specifically Northwestern and Nebraska). This was the main reason I was hesitant to be fully on board with the extension with all the unknowns in the conference prior to sealing the NCAA deal (which looks 95% at this point).
But in the few days since then Pike has copped a serious commitment and bagged a big time home win to likely seal the deal. I actually think the Jones commitment was equally as important as the MD win as it secures our future (barring decomitts).
We are talking years out from now. By 2026, $4mil will be a bargain by then
I agree with some of your comments. This back n forth we are having actually stems from your comment "winning at all costs" I am interpreting your comment to mean you don't care if we have to cheat or do something underhanded to gain an advantage. If that's winning at all costs then no I don't want to win that way because it sends the wrong message to players. Also you said you never saw coach keep his job for being a good mentor. Maybe your right but I have seen coaches LOSE their jobs for winning at all costs
correct me if I am wrong but Nebraska did it with a bunch of transfers(not best way to build a team long term) and northwestern did it with a bunch of seniors who obviously graduated. Things can go wrong quickly but pikiell is doing it with youthful core (Johnson, Harper, McConnell, mulcahy, Mathis) and filling in holes with transfers(young, akwasi and shaq). Now filling in with more youth.
everyone that trashed this extension just needs to bite the bullet and admit Hobbs was right. It is ok you can compliment him sometimes. Not all the time but give credit where credit is due. Maybe he did get schiano wrong(I don’t think so) but he certainly got this right
We're still short a solid backup to Myles. Hopefully Cliff Omoruyi signs on or Pikiell's going to have to go looking for a grad transfer.
College basketball is a dirty dirty business . To be competitive you probably have to skirt some rules . From the aau handlers on up.
It doesn’t meant you’re bringing in bad kids but you’re not always going to follow all the rules , even rutgers. Coaches that cheat certainly stick around like like Roy Williams , Calhoun , Bill self, kelvin Sampson etc . Pitino will probably prop back up somewhere if he wants .
We all want rutgers to win and put a product out there that this state can be proud of . I just realize that we may have to “cheat” a little . You need to be a wolf to catch a wolf ...or something like that lol.
I think pikiell has done his best to recruit kids with good parents. This gives him the best shot of avoiding "handlers" or at least recruiting kids where "handlers" have least influence
It's not a word that's ever been in my vocabulary or the vocab of guys in my neighborhood when I was growing up....But, it seems to fit here......Joey douche Bags
Pikiell is recruiting kids that can him games first, and second and third .
And if they have good parents that’s a bonus.
The Northwestern example of rags to riches to rags is one example to be cautious of, but it comes down to lack of guard play that Northwestern.....MINNESOTA could not sustain and frankly, that year in the B1G was down vs now.
It is not to minimize what Northwestern accomplished, I was rooting for them to make it, but this run up the standings by RU in 2019-20 that perhaps had some fans here saying "RU may finish 10th or 11th, where's the improvement "???.....it is really based on how strong the league is, year over year. It would be foolish to base improvement solely on B1G standings, the national standings like Kenpom and NET etc, show year over year, where RU has made leaps in impact etc.
Illinois was in the last stages of John Groce as head coach, Minnesota was rebuilding under Pitino Jr and RU was floundering badly when NW made....we also saw the end of the Thad Matta era which at the time, many folks didn't realize was happening at Ohio State.
RU and the accomplishments into a strong headwind of the B1G having potentially 11 teams (more realistic is 10) in the NCAA tournament, is much more than where the standings say they are.
The Cliff and Jones items (to me) are really related to Pike earning an extension, because he earned the extension, period....the comfortable levels that a family like the Jones family is, when you already like the program and see a coaching staff get rewarded with an extension, does help for sure.
In Cliffs case, I dont know whether all the recruiting experts are correct or not, but RU is doing what we can to compete with the rest of the B1G. Cliff and Jones in the same potential 30 day timeframe as a Pike extension and NCAA birth, creates big waves regionally.
It is not to minimize what Northwestern accomplished, I was rooting for them to make it, but this run up the standings by RU in 2019-20 that perhaps had some fans here saying "RU may finish 10th or 11th, where's the improvement "???.....it is really based on how strong the league is, year over year. It would be foolish to base improvement solely on B1G standings, the national standings like Kenpom and NET etc, show year over year, where RU has made leaps in impact etc.
Illinois was in the last stages of John Groce as head coach, Minnesota was rebuilding under Pitino Jr and RU was floundering badly when NW made....we also saw the end of the Thad Matta era which at the time, many folks didn't realize was happening at Ohio State.
RU and the accomplishments into a strong headwind of the B1G having potentially 11 teams (more realistic is 10) in the NCAA tournament, is much more than where the standings say they are.
The Cliff and Jones items (to me) are really related to Pike earning an extension, because he earned the extension, period....the comfortable levels that a family like the Jones family is, when you already like the program and see a coaching staff get rewarded with an extension, does help for sure.
In Cliffs case, I dont know whether all the recruiting experts are correct or not, but RU is doing what we can to compete with the rest of the B1G. Cliff and Jones in the same potential 30 day timeframe as a Pike extension and NCAA birth, creates big waves regionally.
Rutgers has a ton of money invested with Bernie Madoff and it's due to payoff any day now.
The Forbes article noted that Rutgers is getting a more substantial share of B1G money next season. Full share doesn't kick in till 2027 due to borrowing ahead.
Boggles the mind how many here are/were against the extension.
1. Not sure I agree
2. Extend the extensions
let me add on #1...I think TV $s are coming down as media consumption changes
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There are other dynamics to consider. There will be other schools looking to build a program. You won't see on twitter if a 3rd party asks Pikiell if he'd listen about opportunities at other schools.
Anyone, pre Maryland, that wouldn't think schools would have an interest in Pikiell don't respect enough what he has done here and how difficult it was.
Well, he’s not going anywhere now . Time will tell if Hobbs made the right move . The consensus here is he has
BIG revenue payout increased 48% from 2017 to 2018 ($513M vs $759M). Where do you think this money is coming from?
Even if you think more will be watching through streaming or some other form, dont assume the BIG wont profit from this. They are clearly very very good at getting top revenue for their products.
Some of you should really have your posting privileges revoked.
I don’t call people stupid often, but damn, some of the “reasons” y’all are saying not to renew for are amazing!!!!! In a STUPID way!
You don’t even have to follow RU Hoops closely to see the upward trajectory. Lol.
The worst is the whole “he didn’t make the tourney yet”! Wow!!!! I’m not even going to say all of the things that have already been pointed out to some of these idiotic posts. Just wow!
Congrats coach Pike for making RUHoops nationally relevant again..... but.... there’s 20 guys on a message board that don’t like your new contract. Hahahahahahahaha. Wow!
I don’t call people stupid often, but damn, some of the “reasons” y’all are saying not to renew for are amazing!!!!! In a STUPID way!
You don’t even have to follow RU Hoops closely to see the upward trajectory. Lol.
The worst is the whole “he didn’t make the tourney yet”! Wow!!!! I’m not even going to say all of the things that have already been pointed out to some of these idiotic posts. Just wow!
Congrats coach Pike for making RUHoops nationally relevant again..... but.... there’s 20 guys on a message board that don’t like your new contract. Hahahahahahahaha. Wow!
You must be new here........there's a group here who classifies upward and downward trajectory for the program intra game - possession to possession.
Cable will go the way off the landline phone. So much revenue comes from EVERYONE who has cable paying to watch sports with 90+% of them not even watching.
The next recession will accelerate the cutting off the cord.
nah, been around longer then most of the posters here. I'm just usually able to scroll past the bull... but this post...lol.
Overall your concept is correct. People are cutting the cord. I did within the last year. Use ISP TV now and get every single channel, premium channel, sporting event, PPV anything you can think of for $7 a month
not sure if that is correct. there are enough kids with/without good parents to recruit... it just so happens that all the guys we recruit happen to have good parents...