Helton out at USC

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The article The Athletic makes it clear who the names are that USC is going after...

Mario at Oregon
Fickell at Cincy (his job if he wants it)
Campbell at Iowa State
James Franklin at PSU
Tony Elliott at Clemson.
 

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I think the list I put together is pretty dang good and it doesn't have us competing for the same names as USC will be going after.
This is Nebraska. We shouldn't base our coaching searches over who else may go after that same coach.

You go after the best regardless.
 

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USC fans want nothing to do with the air raid offense ever again. They have never on anything with it. Weird that they wouldn't be ok with any random scheme since schemes don't matter.
 

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The article The Athletic makes it clear who the names are that USC is going after...

Mario at Oregon
Fickell at Cincy (his job if he wants it)
Campbell at Iowa State
James Franklin at PSU
Tony Elliott at Clemson.

How do they know? I doubt an AD would leak something like that.
 

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How do they know? I doubt an AD would leak something like that.
I don't know exactly who he speaks with it, but there are likely search committee members that get hired to do the work behind closed doors, people in various athletic departments, etc.
 
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The interesting thing is now there will be all this speculation on who USC is going to hire for the next 13 weeks. It will be a distraction to some teams because their coach's name will be linked to some other job, either the USC job or a job that would come open if, a coach takes the USC job.
 

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Now it is USC's chance to finally land their dream hire
 
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Donte Williams seriously wore cleats to practice…and the guy knows NOTHING…one of the worst clinics I’ve ever been to. There is ZERO chance he could actually run the defense there, but hey, now he’s the HC.
 

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After losing 1 game to a perennially respectable Stanford team tells me the leash was beyond short. They may have also avoided the off season firing as a savvy move to lock in the roster for this year while they have time to replace Helton instead of worrying about a mass exodus last off season.
Or it might indicate that they've already had talks with Fickell and he's agreed verbally to take the job at the end of the season. This smells to me like an AD waiting for the appropriate moment of fan anger to can a coach so he can hire his guy.
 

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The interesting thing is now there will be all this speculation on who USC is going to hire for the next 13 weeks. It will be a distraction to some teams because their coach's name will be linked to some other job, either the USC job or a job that would come open if, a coach takes the USC job.
Thank god it won’t distract our team, we need it’s full attention
 

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Well that didn't take long. I don't get the timing. If you're going to fire him, then do it at the end of last season or at the end of this season. Firing a coach after the first few of games of a new season just doesn't make sense to me.
Bingo
 

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The article The Athletic makes it clear who the names are that USC is going after...

Mario at Oregon
Fickell at Cincy (his job if he wants it)
Campbell at Iowa State
James Franklin at PSU
Tony Elliott at Clemson.
Given USC fired " During" the season, there agents or hiring Firm already has contacted the candidate they want. And that candidate has seriuos interest or has agreed to come on board.

I really doubt USC is a stupid as Nebraska has been in the past (Callahan hire) and fire a coach without the replacement in hand.
 

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Given USC fired " During" the season, there agents or hiring Firm already has contacted the candidate they want. And that candidate has seriuos interest or has agreed to come on board.

I really doubt USC is a stupid as Nebraska has been in the past (Callahan hire) and fire a coach without the replacement in hand.
Probably the case. Would have Cincy head coach written all over that, IMO.
 
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Given USC fired " During" the season, there agents or hiring Firm already has contacted the candidate they want. And that candidate has seriuos interest or has agreed to come on board.

I really doubt USC is a stupid as Nebraska has been in the past (Callahan hire) and fire a coach without the replacement in hand.
Probably some on their short list have already shown real interest.
 

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PJ Fleck , hmmmm.

I would think that completely tanks any credibility this guy had. Could you imagine that douche cannoe at USC, dealing with the LA media? “Sure I lose more than Helton, but my sweater vests are elite.” “Go PJ,
row the boat!”
 

dinglefritz

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The article The Athletic makes it clear who the names are that USC is going after...

Mario at Oregon
Fickell at Cincy (his job if he wants it)
Campbell at Iowa State
James Franklin at PSU
Tony Elliott at Clemson.
The guy writing the article doesn't know who they're going after. He's guessing.
 

dinglefritz

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Given USC fired " During" the season, there agents or hiring Firm already has contacted the candidate they want. And that candidate has seriuos interest or has agreed to come on board.

I really doubt USC is a stupid as Nebraska has been in the past (Callahan hire) and fire a coach without the replacement in hand.
Evidently you haven't paid any attention to what has gone on at USC over the past decade with their ADs and coaching searches. It's been a mess. That said, we had a coach "in hand" when we fired Frank. We couldn't sign him until we actually had an advertised vacancy and he backed out of the deal after the Dolphins extended his contract. Fact.
 

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This will help ease the in-season firing of Frost if things go south pretty quickly after Oklahoma.

When I made my list of coaching names to discuss, I made sure to look at what they run for schemes first, then I went to their coaching history and kept off the obvious ones that wouldn't be coming to Nebraska.

I think the list I put together is pretty dang good and it doesn't have us competing for the same names as USC will be going after.
That is great. I am glad you have done all of this leg work so Trev won't have to.
 
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Given USC fired " During" the season, there agents or hiring Firm already has contacted the candidate they want. And that candidate has seriuos interest or has agreed to come on board.

I really doubt USC is a stupid as Nebraska has been in the past (Callahan hire) and fire a coach without the replacement in hand.
You would think, but when Florida fired McElwain in the middle of the season, they did it without having someone on the hook, or even serious interest.

Based on this AD's history of hiring coaches and the timing of the move, I am not so sure he has a person lined up.

No one is having a hypothetical convo with a coach that says, we are preseason ranked 14, but if we lose to Stanford at home with a half filled stadium then we are going to fire our coach. Would you be interested if that scenario played out? Any coach worth a **** would have said, call me when that scenario plays out.

I think the AD, who has been there 2 years, he probably wanted to fire him after last year but a 5-1 record made that virtually impossible. For whatever reason they decided not to play in a bowl game. A loss in the bowl game could have provided the AD with the ammunition to get rid of Helton last year.

As far as the AD Bohn is concerned, He may have hired Fickell at Cincinnati, but he was also responsible for hiring Dan Hawkins, Jon Embree and Mike McIntyre while at Colorado, which ultimately led to him being fired by Colorado. His history of hiring coaches goes back to 1999 when he hired Tom Cable at Idaho, who went 11-35 and was fired by Bohn's successor, because Bohn bolted for San Diego St, where he stayed for 18 months, the football program while he was with the Aztecs was 15-20, he then went to Colorado, where the football program's record was 36-79 with 2 bowl game appearances in those 10 seasons.


So maybe it will be Fickell, because the rest of the coaches he has hired have all failed to work out.
 
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You would think, but when Florida fired McElwain in the middle of the season, they did it without having someone on the hook, or even serious interest.

Based on this AD's history of hiring coaches and the timing of the move, I am not so sure he has a person lined up.

No one is having a hypothetical convo with a coach that says, we are preseason ranked 14, but if we lose to Stanford at home with a half filled stadium then we are going to fire our coach. Would you be interested if that scenario played out? Any coach worth a **** would have said, call me when that scenario plays out.

I think the AD, who has been there 2 years, he probably wanted to fire him after last year but a 5-1 record made that virtually impossible. For whatever reason they decided not to play in a bowl game. A loss in the bowl game could have provided the AD with the ammunition to get rid of Helton last year.

As far as the AD Bohn is concerned, He may have hired Fickell at Cincinnati, but he was also responsible for hiring Dan Hawkins, Jon Embree and Mike McIntyre while at Colorado, which ultimately led to him being fired by Colorado. His history of hiring coaches goes back to 1999 when he hired Tom Cable at Idaho, who went 11-35 and was fired by Bohn's successor, because Bohn bolted for San Diego St, where he stayed for 18 months, the football program while he was with the Aztecs was 15-20, he then went to Colorado, where the football program's record was 36-79 with 2 bowl game appearances in those 10 seasons.


So maybe it will be Fickell, because the rest of the coaches he has hired have all failed to work out.
I was thinking they didn't want to take the chance he may turn the season into an "OK" season and then either have to keep him on or face the crappy look of firing a 7 or 8 win coach.

Basically taking that option away. Having someone in pocket would make even more sense if that is the case.
 
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I was thinking they didn't want to take the chance he may turn the season into an "OK" season and then either have to keep him on or face the crappy look of firing a 7 or 8 win coach.

Basically taking that option away. Having someone in pocket would make even more sense if that is the case.
Maybe. Considering he only had 1 poor year at USC, he probably would have won enough games.

USC has treated that dude poorly. He took over for Kiffin/ Ed Orgeron when USC hired Sarkisian as HC. He won the bowl game. Sarkisian kept him on staff, so when Sark went on his bender, they make Helton the interim then ultimately name him permanent. So he is 1-0 after Kiffin, 5-4 after the Sark fiasco. Then he goes 10-3 and 11-3. In 2018 they go 5-7 and they start looking for reasons to get rid of him. What does he do? turns it around and goes 8-5 and 5-1, and they are still looking for reasons to get rid of him.
 

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Evidently you haven't paid any attention to what has gone on at USC over the past decade with their ADs and coaching searches. It's been a mess. That said, we had a coach "in hand" when we fired Frank. We couldn't sign him until we actually had an advertised vacancy and he backed out of the deal after the Dolphins extended his contract. Fact.
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Maybe. Considering he only had 1 poor year at USC, he probably would have won enough games.

USC has treated that dude poorly. He took over for Kiffin/ Ed Orgeron when USC hired Sarkisian as HC. He won the bowl game. Sarkisian kept him on staff, so when Sark went on his bender, they make Helton the interim then ultimately name him permanent. So he is 1-0 after Kiffin, 5-4 after the Sark fiasco. Then he goes 10-3 and 11-3. In 2018 they go 5-7 and they start looking for reasons to get rid of him. What does he do? turns it around and goes 8-5 and 5-1, and they are still looking for reasons to get rid of him.
exactly. I think their fan base and alumni are more delusional than ours. Good luck to them. They'll either hire Fickell who I think is not as great of a head coach as some believe, or they'll end up getting spurned publicly by multiple "A listers" before they settle for a guy. I think they end up in coaching purgatory similar to what we've been through. Hell. They're already there.
 

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Maybe. Considering he only had 1 poor year at USC, he probably would have won enough games.

USC has treated that dude poorly. He took over for Kiffin/ Ed Orgeron when USC hired Sarkisian as HC. He won the bowl game. Sarkisian kept him on staff, so when Sark went on his bender, they make Helton the interim then ultimately name him permanent. So he is 1-0 after Kiffin, 5-4 after the Sark fiasco. Then he goes 10-3 and 11-3. In 2018 they go 5-7 and they start looking for reasons to get rid of him. What does he do? turns it around and goes 8-5 and 5-1, and they are still looking for reasons to get rid of him.
Are you saying we should hire Helton?
 

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exactly. I think their fan base and alumni are more delusional than ours. Good luck to them. They'll either hire Fickell who I think is not as great of a head coach as some believe, or they'll end up getting spurned publicly by multiple "A listers" before they settle for a guy. I think they end up in coaching purgatory similar to what we've been through. Hell. They're already there.

They are also setting themselves up for a Ed O/Helton situation where the team plays well the rest of the way and the players and part of the fan base love Donte and want him to be HC.
 
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USC fans can afford to be delusional. They will almost always get their first choice, money is no problem, and the list of top flight coaches who would want that job are as long as it gets. USC might be the best job in the country all things considered.