Heck

[DuddyB]

Yes, because he is 50.

I’d sign up for a 50 year old Peyton Manning tomorrow.

 

[Lionhawk85]

My hunch is if Brown’s “injury” limits his preparation and practice this week - especially on a short week - they’ll go with Heck.

I put injury in quotes because I am genuinely not sure if it’s an injury or simply was hurt.

I was at the game and was excited when they put in Heck as I assumed it was to see if there could be a spark - which is not typical of KF. Much to my dismay, I only found out after the game it was due to Brown being dinged/hurt/injured. I don’t know which QB is ultimately better, but the offense was sucking bigtime and Brown played a really poor game imo so giving Heck a chance felt like a great change of pace/decision. Little did I know it wasn’t really a decision at all.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Heck would likely have had a similar stat line to Hank Brown had he started against Ohio State.

With that said, the offense is still not efficient or good with Hank Brown after 5 games. If you’re Tim Lester and you believe Heck can provide a spark this offense so desperately needs, then I don’t see any reason not to give Heck a real opportunity. I, personally, don’t think it will matter, but there are those rare times when some kids are just gamers and can elevate the play of everyone else around them. If Heck is that type of player, give him a shot, I guess. It’s not like you have much to lose at this point in terms of quarterback productivity.

This team doesn't "so desperately" need anything

 

[eyesofhawk]

Of course we will.
Predictably, the dinosaur won't.

Yeah, because every modern coach loves switching QB's

 

[eyesofhawk]

Heck has a better arm, better confidence and is a lights on gamer. I would give Heck a real shot. Brown should have a short rope at the least.

Again, I like Heck.

But the stronger arm absolutely belongs to Hank.

And how was his confidence the last drive vs Michigan?

Also too early to label Heck a "lights on gamer", although I get that feeling as well

 

[eyesofhawk]

It doesn’t matter who’s the starting quarterback if they can’t figure out how to run the damn ball.

And thankfully there's an easy solution to that.

Run the damn ball

 

[eyesofhawk]

I thought TL finally had all the missing pieces to really open the playbook

And he's done so. Far too often

 

[DukeSlater]

So do we give him a shot against Washington?

Why the hell not? Brown is a mediocre game manager who turned it over TWICE yesterday, sins that have always gotten other players benched, nobodies like Akrum Wadley, for example. But Brown is KF's guy despite what everyone saw on kids' day. KF said the QB competition was "even," then he gives Brown EVERY start. What the hell is "even" about that?

 

[DukeSlater]

Thought I heard on the radio call that a few back ups had come in. But doesn't change that OSU seemed to shift to a zone scheme making it easier to get open.

Getting open was never the problem. Iowa had receivers running WIDE OPEN the entire first half, and Brown consistently missed them . . . by a mile! OMG. What's wrong with people's eyes?

 

[DukeSlater]

Heck was making crisper passes vs what Hank was doing today but osu was letting Iowa complete the underneath passes when Heck was in. While osu had starters in they were playing to prevent the deep pass. I'm fine with Heck getting a chance but I doubt he will get the start unless Hanks injury prohibits him from playing. Which is a possibility playing on 1 less day.

"Letting them." That freakin' hilarious. OSU was apparently "letting" Iowa complete deep passes too in the first half, except Brown refused to cooperate by missing wide open receivers by yards. Making it up as you go along, eh? KF loves that.

 

[DukeSlater]

Kirk's worst nightmare became reality today.

That's why he didn't use his timeouts at the end. He didn't want Iowa to get the ball back and have to put Hecklinski back in there.

 

[DukeSlater]

Ive said all year that Heck is the better QB against good defensive teams, because he can complete the risky throws. But Hank is the better game manager and less prone to the INT.

"Less prone to the INT"? What the hell are you watching? Brown should have had at least three passes intercepted at Michigan. He fumbled TWICE against ISU but was lucky enough to recover both. He wasn't so lucky yesterday when he fumbled after holding the ball for about six weeks. Brown is a game manager at best. He's another Cade McNamara. Surround him with great players like at Michigan, and he'll do fine. But at Iowa . . . no thank you.

 

[DukeSlater]

I have never trusted The Capt's QB decisions.
And, I still question whether Lester has sufficient autonomy.

Those statements lead me to believe you are wise.

 

[DukeSlater]

I’ve seen plenty of turnover worthy plays out of Hank Brown. He was lucky to recover his own fumble against Iowa State and also would had thrown a pick 6 if not for a tipped pass. Should have had 2 turnovers today, but Evan James bailed him out.

Actually, Brown fumbled twice against ISU--the QB sneak and the run up the middle. Luckily, he recovered both, unlike yesterday.

 

[DukeSlater]

Peyton Manning could come in and play for Iowa next weekend, and we’d still struggle

Uh, I don't think so.

 

[DukeSlater]

It doesn’t matter who’s the starting quarterback if they can’t figure out how to run the damn ball.

It actually does matter because passing counts too--but only if you complete the passes. Iowa's receivers were running wide open the entire first half, and Brown consistently missed them. Connect on those wide open throws, and it's a whole different ball game.

 

[DukeSlater]

Sayin plays defense?

Whether they had 2's in or not, OSU was not pressing on any short passes. Anything up to 10 yards were gimmes. Heck did make some crisp passes and had a quick release, but not sure how he would have done in quarters 1-3. vs. an aggressive D. Iowa had their starters in the game at the end of the 1st half, and went to a somewhat prevent defense. It made it easy for OSU to move the ball, just in the same way Heck got some easy looks in the 4th quarter.

Nice excuses. Facts are different, and the facts are that Brown repeatedly missed WIDE OPEN receivers, threw wobbly passes, and held the ball too long. Hecklinski made quick decisions, put the ball on a dime, and threw an NFL-quality pass on that 2-point conversion. The ball was in the air before the receiver made his break. When he did, the ball was there waiting for him. Sorry about the facts. They have a way of getting in the way of excuses.

 

[DukeSlater]

OSU played man most game and it shut down our pass game. Hank went full desperation retard on the pass attempt, OSU simply took advantage. Man or Zone absolutely matters, and it proved it on the drive with Heck.

The point is a single drive of Heck when the game was well out of reach and basically a scrimmage isn't an immediate cause to change QBs. Both Hank and Heck are bottom 5 QBs in the B1G, take your pick, both will disappoint you.

Whoa, there. What shut down Iowa's pass game under Brown was Brown missing WIDE OPEN receivers. Brown was awful. His timing was terrible, his throws were wobbly, and he was sacked because his decision-making was slow and poor. Any other questions? LOL

 

[DukeSlater]

I thought TL finally had all the missing pieces to really open the playbook

That's exactly what we were told. Lie, lies, and damned lies.

 

[DukeSlater]

Yes, because he is 50.

Even at 50, I think Iowa would do just fine with Manning . . . but Iowa would also do great with Hecklinski.

 

[Trakker]

Even at 50, I think Iowa would do just fine with Manning . . . but Iowa would also do great with Hecklinski.

Wow, 13 post in a row on this thread. Gotta be some sort of record.

Time to focus on getting your fantasy football line up set for the day.

Be curious to see how the week plays out and what happens Friday night. Not gonna let it ruin my Sunday or week, however.

 

[pocha444444]

I spelled it out, so if you can't figure it out, then that's on you. Heck's single drive in a game that was already over means very little. Like always, we have a QB problem. And that won't change until Kirk is gone and a revamp is made on offense.

If your original point was "we shouldn't make a QB change based off of one drive" then that's fine, I can get behind that. However, your original post I responded to was about OSU playing backups (not true) and them "going to zone" (not really relevant as they had played mostly zone the entire game with man on 3rd downs). I get not making a rash decision based on one drive, but you seemed like you were trying to discount Heck's one drive with information that was not true and/or misleading.

 

[2D]

If your original point was "we shouldn't make a QB change based off of one drive" then that's fine, I can get behind that. However, your original post I responded to was about OSU playing backups (not true) and them "going to zone" (not really relevant as they had played mostly zone the entire game with man on 3rd downs). I get not making a rash decision based on one drive, but you seemed like you were trying to discount Heck's one drive with information that was not true and/or misleading.

Incorrect, twos for OSU were playing, identified and confirmed by Hawkeye Gamefilm on twitter. A single bad game against OSU and single drive from Heck will not be enough to sway Kirk. Just accept it and move on.

 

[pocha444444]

Incorrect, twos for OSU were playing, identified and confirmed by Hawkeye Gamefilm on twitter. A single bad game against OSU and single drive from Heck will not be enough to sway Kirk. Just accept it and move on.

I'm not talking about a QB change, just setting the record straight and you seem unwilling to simply go back and look to confirm the starters were still in. I'm sorry your Twitter source clearly got it wrong. Perhaps you should check other sources or your own eyes going forward.

 

[2D]

I'm not talking about a QB change, just setting the record straight and you seem unwilling to simply go back and look to confirm the starters were still in. I'm sorry your Twitter source clearly got it wrong. Perhaps you should check other sources or your own eyes going forward.

Rough look for you buddy, I get it. Just take the L and move on. We're all talking about the Quarterback, if you want to talk about another topic, make another thread. Hope that advice helps for your future discussions.

 

[pocha444444]

Rough look for you buddy, I get it. Just take the L and move on. We're all talking about the Quarterback, if you want to talk about another topic, make another thread. Hope that advice helps for your future discussions.

Lol...sure make an incoherent post to try and back your way out of being called out for being incorrect. Whatever you gotta do I guess...

 

[BigDelHawk]

So do we give him a shot against Washington?

Mild sprain of the collarbone is 6 weeks out min.

 

[83Hawk]

Brown had a horrible game yesterday. Heck looked great one his one drive late in the game against backups. How would he look in a full game?

I don’t think we’ll see Heck as starter unless Brown is hurt or he has multiple bad games. I hope he rebounds against Washington. I also hope our offensive linemen start blocking better and we see improvement in the running attack.

 

[uihawk82]

OSU was not playing backups. Did you miss Sayin take 2 shots to the end zone with 2 minutes left?

Was OSU playing defensive backups during Heck's drive for a TD?

 

[Hendy Hawk]

OSU was not playing backups. Did you miss Sayin take 2 shots to the end zone with 2 minutes left?

Think he meant Defensively

 

[TRHawkeye28]

Getting open was never the problem. Iowa had receivers running WIDE OPEN the entire first half, and Brown consistently missed them . . . by a mile! OMG. What's wrong with people's eyes?

This

I can remember at least 5 off the top of my head. Those are killers that could have kept the drive going

And there were I think 2 guys that weren't normal starters on the TD drive of Heck. It wasn't the entire 2nd string. I would like to see what Heck could do in a full game scenario

 

[Hendy Hawk]

im really not sure what this has to do with accurately throwing the ball at open receivers

Only 3 rushers on the line. Not as much pressure as Hank was facing with 8 in the box.

 

[uihawk82]

So do we give him a shot against Washington?

If Hank is good to go he will probably start but I would like to see Heck get some series in the first half even. Heck might get more snaps during this short week of practice because not sure about Hank's injury.

Heck said he was jittery against ISU and he looked it.

 

[uihawk82]

So do we give him a shot against Washington?

There is not near the pressure coming in during the 4th qtr when you are down by 18 points. He looked less tight, less quickly to start moving around and out of the pocket than vs ISU. Threw the ball well

 

[uihawk82]

Heck would likely have had a similar stat line to Hank Brown had he started against Ohio State.

With that said, the offense is still not efficient or good with Hank Brown after 5 games. If you’re Tim Lester and you believe Heck can provide a spark this offense so desperately needs, then I don’t see any reason not to give Heck a real opportunity. I, personally, don’t think it will matter, but there are those rare times when some kids are just gamers and can elevate the play of everyone else around them. If Heck is that type of player, give him a shot, I guess. It’s not like you have much to lose at this point in terms of quarterback productivity.

Heck or Hank arent the problem with our running game, which is the problem. Not even close to 100 yards rushing yesterday, not even avg against ISU or Mich either.

I just posted about trying some jumbo OLine formations and see if that works and you can still throw out of those formations because you have plenty of receivers. The run game looks like 2021-23.

Now if the Iowa qb starts off 9 for 11 passing then the box might get lighter to run a bit better

 

[uihawk82]

im really not sure what this has to do with accurately throwing the ball at open receivers

Well maybe if OSU was playing pass defense like in the first half when the game was close then the hawk receivers would NOT be "OPEN". OSU had a 25 pt lead when HEck came in iirc. we all know what a prevent defense means. zone, umbrella coverage, tackle them before the sticks if possible,

 

[uihawk82]

Heck has a better arm, better confidence and is a lights on gamer. I would give Heck a real shot. Brown should have a short rope at the least.

I agree on the short rope because you dont want your QB struggling on the road and losing this next game, any game, when you might get a spark off the bench.

I think Hank was a little off because of the early fumble, playing a really good pass rush, not running the ball well and being in great 2nd and 3rd down situations. And then getting two scores behind right at the end of the first help adds more pressure as you have to get back to being behind by 8 pts or less

 

[uihawk82]

This team doesn't "so desperately" need anything

They definitely need to start running for around 200 yards per game to set up the pass and vice versa as KF loves to run on 3rd and 5-7, a passing down, against a light box

 

[uihawk82]

Why the hell not? Brown is a mediocre game manager who turned it over TWICE yesterday, sins that have always gotten other players benched, nobodies like Akrum Wadley, for example. But Brown is KF's guy despite what everyone saw on kids' day. KF said the QB competition was "even," then he gives Brown EVERY start. What the hell is "even" about that?

Haha, Kirk stayed with Jake the Snake, bad snake, and Pick 6 Ricky Stanzi in 2009 so dont say he pulls everyone who makes a turnover, QB is a different type of position

 

[RomanHawk]

Why the hell not? Brown is a mediocre game manager who turned it over TWICE yesterday, sins that have always gotten other players benched, nobodies like Akrum Wadley, for example. But Brown is KF's guy despite what everyone saw on kids' day. KF said the QB competition was "even," then he gives Brown EVERY start. What the hell is "even" about that?

I said when fall practice started that I not only had no confidence in KF picking the best guy, but I didn't even have confidence in his ability to create a fair competition. And sure enough; in three games Heck got far fewer minutes and no starts.