Harsh reality about NIL
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Yeah I know it's an NJ.com article but the reality about NIL is this: Ohio State is the Yankees and we're the Pirates. Until that changes, we'll be destined to be cellar-dwellers. If any of our players develop to become stars, they won't just be scooped up by blue-bloods, but by the Minnesotas and Illinoises of the world. That's how little NIL support we have.
Yeah I know it's an NJ.com article but the reality about NIL is this: Ohio State is the Yankees and we're the Pirates. Until that changes, we'll be destined to be cellar-dwellers. If any of our players develop to become stars, they won't just be scooped up by blue-bloods, but by the Minnesotas and Illinoises of the world. That's how little NIL support we have.
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If there were a solid business case for showering these kids with money, the school & collectives wouldn't have to beg. There isn't much ROI beyond "give us money so football can do gooder...maybe".
At least Fatukasi wanted to sell a whole bunch of O3 merch. It very quickly morphed into "pay me or I transfer"
At least Fatukasi wanted to sell a whole bunch of O3 merch. It very quickly morphed into "pay me or I transfer"
We play in the B1G, but let's be honest, the vast majority of our fanbase would be more comfortable if we played in the Patriot League. Not to say they don't want to win, but they are not committed to what it takes at this level to win, much more in line with the Patriot League academic/athletic model.
Harsh reality before NIL: we were the pirates and Ohio State were the Yankees. Nothings really changed
Some of us can remember when Rutgers was more like the Scranton/Wilkes Barre Railriders compared to OSU.
How does that return investment to the business paying the cash? What is stopping Ray Catena from entering in an NIL deal with our team captains, for example?
If it doesn't pay off monetarily to both parties, it doesn't make sense. Winning doesn't matter if the goal is to make money.
NIL was a really good idea that ultimately will destroy college athletics.
Rutgers is a great example of how it all goes down. Right now we have a solid core fan base and a compelling lack of casual fans, or "walk up" business.
The season ticket holders, particularly those with good seats and premium parking, are already getting soaked by the Rutgers athletic department for the privilege of attending ****** football games, to the tune of thousands of dollars per year.
Now we're being told that the only way we can be successful is to pony up thousands more to the NIL collective so that our best players won't transfer.
At some point people will just start saying no.
I'm probably no more than a year or two away from taking the (minimum) $10,000 / year I sink into football and basketball and shifting it toward the purchase of my half million dollar blue water cruising catamaran. Retirement looms and at this point the only thing that keeps me pumping money into the athletic department is quality time with my Dad - who, I'm quite certain, would be just as happy cruising the tropics a few weeks out of the year.
Rutgers is a great example of how it all goes down. Right now we have a solid core fan base and a compelling lack of casual fans, or "walk up" business.
The season ticket holders, particularly those with good seats and premium parking, are already getting soaked by the Rutgers athletic department for the privilege of attending ****** football games, to the tune of thousands of dollars per year.
Now we're being told that the only way we can be successful is to pony up thousands more to the NIL collective so that our best players won't transfer.
At some point people will just start saying no.
I'm probably no more than a year or two away from taking the (minimum) $10,000 / year I sink into football and basketball and shifting it toward the purchase of my half million dollar blue water cruising catamaran. Retirement looms and at this point the only thing that keeps me pumping money into the athletic department is quality time with my Dad - who, I'm quite certain, would be just as happy cruising the tropics a few weeks out of the year.
Rutgers football and Basketball is loved by the members of this board and the pay for post board. Some posters spends hours a day discussing Rutgers sports. On the boards in general posters lose their minds on game day because what happens on the court or the grid iron. Many are very emotionally invested and consider Rutgers a very important part of their lives. We talk about our $$$ in so may different ways. We have posters who brag about homes stock market gains and vacations. Some posters claim to be multi millionaires but as the article states. We are only diehards when it comes to discussing Rutgers Sports. We have plenty of opinions but do not ask to give money because you will hear every excuse in the book to not do it. Are we ok that we are LAST in the BIG when it comes to NIL? How can you spend so much time and be so involved but not get involved in something that will keep our best players and even get us better players?
I'm a blue collar schmuck who drives a 12 year old car & lives in a grittier neighborhood. If RU Football success hinges on my back, we're cooked. Sorry gents.
As a resident of NJ, I am heavily taxed. I just put two kids through college. I'm watching my stock portfolio tank. Now, I'm supposed to give what's left to my disposable income to recruits who are already getting a free education, room and board, and financial stipends?
As the article points out, it's not even Ohio State as the comparison. Can we even effectively compete with Illinois, Minnesota, and Maryland when it comes to NIL?
@365Poster24Seven I was on board with everything you said. Up until the last two sentences. Traditionally, Rutgers has not had a good, overall donor base (compared to our peers). We have seemingly played a fair game in regards to bagmen. We didnt have them before and now they are to miraculously appear because it is legal? Plus many here value the amateur sports model and think a free education is more than enough compensation to continue playing a sport past high school. And now we are expected to donate in order to retain and purchase the more gifted athletes? What kind of amateur model is this?
Can Mrs. Shift and I come cruising with you?
Some of the best weather in Sedona is in September-November. We arrange our travel around football games. A time may come soon that we will just go to select games and not bother with the season tickets, etc.
We all hate NIl but it is here and other fan bases have the same questions you and I have with it. The difference is while they have the same issues they are stepping up to NIl. Everyone is putting kids through college and pays taxes and is watching the market tank. It is not a NJ problem everyone has these issues. We as a whole are choosing to do nothing but give excuses while other fan bases are dealing with it.
There are people who give and give a lot. An interesting decision/divide is coming for many of us. Do we give to the R Fund, or to an NIL. It will not be both for us. We are in the middle of a multi-year commitment to give a significant amount to R Fund. We'd love to shift some or all of that money to NIL, if that is even possible.
With all the media rights money coming in, does Rutgers need the R Fund to the same extent it did, or do they need it at all, outside raising money for major projects like the field house?
If you haven’t already, please check out my Twitter thread on the topic:
in terms of ROI: we’ve partnered with a few businesses and tailgates. The promotion they’ve gotten from knight society and our athletes/the joy of interactions with Student athletes has led to them returning for more. Been pretty solid ROI. If you have a business please reach out to me via Twitter or email.
also in the Twitter thread, is a text 2 give number. 956-GIVE-NOW. Use the code “knights” when you do this, you are donating money to Elijah’s promise, a local NB charity. You get a tax write off. And our student athletes get paid for bringing more attention to the charity. Everyone wins. Please share this with all your friends!
in terms of ROI: we’ve partnered with a few businesses and tailgates. The promotion they’ve gotten from knight society and our athletes/the joy of interactions with Student athletes has led to them returning for more. Been pretty solid ROI. If you have a business please reach out to me via Twitter or email.
also in the Twitter thread, is a text 2 give number. 956-GIVE-NOW. Use the code “knights” when you do this, you are donating money to Elijah’s promise, a local NB charity. You get a tax write off. And our student athletes get paid for bringing more attention to the charity. Everyone wins. Please share this with all your friends!
Causes that some of us personally deem more important or worthier to spend our money on?
Our own personal principles and value orientations?
Certain reasons why we've loved college sports in the past that NIL may have changed?
Seriously, to each their own.
But the way things are going, it may only be a matter of time 'til Pop Warner pay for play is the norm... (wink):
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It has been clear since the day NIL was implemented that schools like Rutgers would be a loser in this new environment. Now its on the fans and local businesses to pay millions so coaches can recruit/retain players. I thought all the outrage was about how much money the schools were getting from TV and what coaches were getting paid? Yet none of that money seems to be in play.
This model may work in SEC land and at certain well established schools nationwide but its is not happening on any grand scale here. Unfortunately I don't see an avenue for a return to a more rationale model that focuses on competitive equality until either the disparity between winners and losers caused by an uneven playing field becomes more evident over time, or the "student athletes" form a union and a professional cap on spending is collectively bargained. How sad is that?
This model may work in SEC land and at certain well established schools nationwide but its is not happening on any grand scale here. Unfortunately I don't see an avenue for a return to a more rationale model that focuses on competitive equality until either the disparity between winners and losers caused by an uneven playing field becomes more evident over time, or the "student athletes" form a union and a professional cap on spending is collectively bargained. How sad is that?
That just makes you want to run out and donate, doesn't it?
Sure.
The plan is to join the community of cruising sailors who move their boat throughout the year from the east coast of the U.S., to the Caribbean, to the west coast of Europe & the Med. For boat owners it means 3 months of the year at sea, with the rest spent just doing boat stuff - at anchor or in a marina, short-term cruising / sightseeing, maintenance, etc.
It's never hard to find people to come hang out for a week or so. What's hard is finding people who are willing to spend 3 weeks at sea between the Canaries and the Caribbean.
Wasn't he invited to and featured at the first knights of raritan event over the summer. And was paid to show up and meet fans. He quit the team a few weeks later
Not really a good analogy. The Pirates would beat the Yankees three out of 10. We're not beating OSU one out of 10
Maybe these NIL delas should come with some kind of contract that if you back out you have to pay back the $$$. This is the wild west and anything goes. Needs to be regulated by the NCAA ...Limit scholarships to schools that have certain amputn of money in NIL deals.
Consider that for 20 years we've been hearing "we need more money more money more money." The money has gone up, results on the field have not. The offense can barely score a TD to give the fans a thrill. Now we're hearing "give even more money." It's understandable for people to be skeptical.
There are going to have to be rules for NIL or it will run amok the way baseball did until they put salary caps in place. College sports keep thinking they can have this wild, unregulated system when every other sports league learned long ago that it doesn't work.
There are going to have to be rules for NIL or it will run amok the way baseball did until they put salary caps in place. College sports keep thinking they can have this wild, unregulated system when every other sports league learned long ago that it doesn't work.
Pirates fans also aren't asked to send in extra checks throughout the year to make payroll. Ticket sales, concession sales, cable tv pricing etc all goes into the kitty.
You would have been slaughtered on this board for suggesting that (5-6 years ago). Some tried and were chastised mercilessly. But you’re 100% right. Reality is, when comparing our facilities, money, and overall program to the rest of the big ten, we aren’t competing
Pirates fans are also without hope. As long as the owner continues to have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, there is no hope.
If you were to look at the numbers (and shockingly, the schools won't let you) you'll see the a direct correlation between program strength and how much their kids are making in NIL deals.
Since joining the B1G we are competing in just about every sport now except one. And a lot of improvement happened or started pre-NIL.
I truly believe the harsh reality of NIL is that we’re in this current period and circumstances that will no doubedtly come to an end. This environment cannot and will not continue. It’s absurd.
if I’m Rutgers , or any logical person or school not in the top 10 blue blood category , then you probably want to spend your efforts getting this college athletics thing moved towards a system overhaul.
NIL, the transfer portal, playoff, conference alignment, scheduling, athletic departments spending, recruiting practices…. ALL of it needs to be re-written with more logical guardrails and a real independent oversight. We have to put salary and spending caps on schools. Let the players get some revenue but make it even for everyone. Take it out of the boosters hands
If you do that , you can achieve a sustainable model . Many will say the current model intentionally isn’t fair and made to create competitiveness. I would say the time for that is over. A level playing field has to be an outcome in the new NCAA world order. The money is there. And I believe the pot would be even bigger if more fan bases were even further engaged by being competitive . Everyone wins.
that’s my MLK “I have a dream” stance.
regardless if we get to that. There’s no doubt in my mind NIL as it currently is being conducted is a very short term environment that will be overhauled.
if I’m Rutgers , or any logical person or school not in the top 10 blue blood category , then you probably want to spend your efforts getting this college athletics thing moved towards a system overhaul.
NIL, the transfer portal, playoff, conference alignment, scheduling, athletic departments spending, recruiting practices…. ALL of it needs to be re-written with more logical guardrails and a real independent oversight. We have to put salary and spending caps on schools. Let the players get some revenue but make it even for everyone. Take it out of the boosters hands
If you do that , you can achieve a sustainable model . Many will say the current model intentionally isn’t fair and made to create competitiveness. I would say the time for that is over. A level playing field has to be an outcome in the new NCAA world order. The money is there. And I believe the pot would be even bigger if more fan bases were even further engaged by being competitive . Everyone wins.
that’s my MLK “I have a dream” stance.
regardless if we get to that. There’s no doubt in my mind NIL as it currently is being conducted is a very short term environment that will be overhauled.
What do you mean that my attitude needs to be better? I've been sinking money into Rutgers athletics since 2004 and my attitude needs to be better? I guess you didn't enjoy that new practice facility I and many others donated to. Great sales job kid.
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The goal for most fans is to have a winning program.
As for Ray Catena, that’s a good idea and if I were him I would do it. Why pay for a commercial actor that nobody cares about when you can hire RU players that people would care about? Sounds like a good opportunity for them and other businesses.
Reading comprehension is a super important skill to have. I was replying to the extremely negative article by saying our attitude toward lack of NIL donations needs to be better.
Loved the practice facility, thank you to you and the many others! I have a feeling we don’t get some of the guys we did without it. It also helped get guys in the gym more for sure. The narrative has changed though. Guys are less worried about facilities and more worried about financial opportunities. in terms of my sales job, it seems to be working pretty well. Thank you though
Did he specifically call you out? He was speaking in general terms.
But considering your ultra sensitive response, sounds like your attitude def needs to be adjusted. What a dope.