Hank Bounds stepping down
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yes ... ranked 39th in the midwest and 222nd in the nation by Forbes .. a couple spots behind Truman State University ?????????????????????????. Behind the University of Missouri.
Creighton is a fine university and as I said undergrad is more about the student than the school. But very few people would consider Creighton to be an elite academic university.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/midwest/#630c848157e6
Actually the education system in this country is very efficient. It has been efficiently churning out groupthink automatons on a yearly basis for some time.
yes they are ranked a #1 REGIONAL school. USNEWS ranks creighton as one of the best regional schools. Creighton did not make the rankings of NATIONAL schools. It is like being a #1 seed in the NIT.
In Omaha and to a lesser extent KC, Creighton is looked at in a very positive light. Once out of that area...most people are not familiar with it. But if you are staying close to Omaha it has an alumni base that will look out for you.
That is probably safe to say for most schools though.
Shoot, Creighton Prep High School "takes care of their own" in the Omaha area.
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Since you wanted to keep this in open discussion rather than a private conversation, let’s go ahead and see if your argument works for me. You have a post-graduate degree; I have two so that is pretty much a wash. You have a kid at Harvard, I have one that graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Stanford. Again, pretty much a wash. Do either of those things alone qualify one as having a deep understanding of the workings of academia? No, not even close. So, your argument about the inefficiency of academia largely rests on the fact that you have a couple of in-laws who are apparently satisfied to being mediocre or worse professors. I have a relative who is the ultimate free market capitalist. To him, the CEOs who jacked up the prices of life savings drugs by 1000 percent are brilliant. He votes dead red. I’ve another who does as little in his job in the private sector as he can manage. He voted for Trump because he is young enough that the consequences of his alcoholism haven’t hit him just yet and he doesn’t want to buy health insurance. He just goes to the ER if he needs it, then ignores the bill. Following your argument, having a couple of deadbeat relatives is enough for me to say that the private sector is greedy and/or lazy and that Republican voters are despicable.
If you take offense at that conclusion, you’d be right in doing so, just as I take offense at you damning all of academia based on the evidence you offered. I worked my *** off my whole career. I had 12 years of post-graduate education and training before getting my tenure-track position at the magnanimous salary of $34K/year. I had to be successful in getting research grants to support my lab and the entire salaries or stipends of everyone in it including a good chunk of my own salary, establish a national reputation in research, rate as a good teacher, and contribute ‘service’ work before I could be promoted. If I were merely average or if my chair didn’t like me, I was out of a job. Getting that much research grant funding isn’t easy. Currently the success rate is about 1 in 10 or less for most funding sources. A good grant to the National Institutes of Health might have taken me a month of near full-time work to complete (still had teaching and service work to do and a lab to run). At the height of my career I was bringing in almost 90% of my salary on grants, paying the salaries or stipends of 10 people, running a graduate program in Cancer Biology that I founded with essentially no administrative assistance, and directing the Core course in that program. I think I got about a 2% raise that year, something less than inflation. Benefits? They are no better than any middle management position at a similar sized corporation. I do love research and the possibility of leaving the world better off. I am formally retired but continue to work for free (actually I pay to work since I still have to pay monthly to park a quarter mile from the lab and have one project that I keep afloat by buying reagents out of my own pocket). If successful, new therapies for prostate cancer and breast cancer will result. So yes, for some of us the pursuit of knowledge and the benefit to society does outweigh financial gain. In my experience, what academics accomplished, often on limited budgets, has benefited society and private industry e.g. the entire biotechnology industry that was spawned from what some would have claimed was just another exercise in academic esoterica, the study of why some bacteriophage (bacterial viruses) could infect some bacterial species and not others.
Neither academia or private industry is anything close to perfect but no one is entitled to make blanket condemnations of either, much less those in either sector that contribute a solid work ethic in their chosen profession irrespective of whether their motivation is primarily financial, societal, or simply curiosity about how things work. A thriving society needs all of those.
Oh man! An internet fight! And this one covers IT ALL!!!!!
1. Arguing about who works more for less
2. Everyone's kids went to amazing schools
3. Bragging about degrees
I can't wait for more!
I will say this...if you are a professor and you are not enjoying your life...you did it wrong and that is on you. The hardest part of a professors job (once they are set) is deciding which two hour block of office hours to skip.
Ahhhh the internet...where fat women are slim and short men are tall.
1. Arguing about who works more for less
2. Everyone's kids went to amazing schools
3. Bragging about degrees
I can't wait for more!
I will say this...if you are a professor and you are not enjoying your life...you did it wrong and that is on you. The hardest part of a professors job (once they are set) is deciding which two hour block of office hours to skip.
Ahhhh the internet...where fat women are slim and short men are tall.
Hahahaha. His whining is getting louder. Actually I have more ties to academia but I prefer to not disclose them completely. The amount of money available for a limited amount of work is astounding. GOOD people in academia get PAID. The ones who whine the loudest about their employment situation are often the least competent in their field.
Dude, I agree...all teachers basically have two dreams...
1. To not have to teach but stay in education (Like Bounds)
2. Become a professor at a big university where the very loose/liberal policies mean a very nice life, with a very nice salary, crazy nice office hours and (hopefully, if you are a guy) a few flings with some coeds.
How old are you? When did you start in the work force? You say you started at $34K per year after 12 years of post grad training? I would say you made a serious error in your choice of careers. With $50,000 in post grad debt and a Dr in front of my name in the early 80s I started at $24K. Within 4 months of work I had to choose between a $10K raise or taking a partnership in another business in another town. One thing I've seen time after time. If you want to advance your career, you have to be willing to change jobs and move. I have a friend who is a college psych professor. He complains constantly about his administration and how little he makes. When I ask him if he's looked for other opportunities he just stares at me blankly. He's now in his early 50s and has been at his same position for basically his whole career. He's not leaving and his employer knows that. If you keep doing what you've always done you'll get what you've always got. If you choose to stay at a low paying job that gives you fulfillment based on your contribution to society, that's your choice and kudos for you for doing that. Money can't always replace the satisfaction of feeling that you've made a difference.
Changing careers can be extremely difficult for somebody who is narrowly trained in one discipline. Unfortunately most science based curricula do NOT include enough or any basic personal finance economics. The field I chose in the mid 70s was financially very attractive at the time. By the time the 90s rolled around it was not so much for new grads. Things change.