Hank Bounds stepping down

mgbreeze

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Look, when I walk around the UNL campus I see new building after new building. When we were looking at colleges for my kids I see HUGE advances in the engineering college and in particular the JDEdwards program. NOBODY can tell me that the state isn't spending enough money at UNL and UNO. I know profs like to ***** about their pay but somebody needs a reality check. IF you want to make big money, go get a job in the private sector and make something. For heaven's sake, the benefits, work conditions and job security college profs enjoy are ridiculous.
There's one hell of a lot of people that work for the university system that aren't profs, but you never hear about them when people are bitching about their taxes. Basically, rednecks don't like smart people so it's popular politically in the midwest to ***** about higher education.
 
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this is true ... it is far behind the other BIG universities in academic rigor. Much of college is what you put into it, but it is disappointing that for state residents seeking a highly selective academic environment they have to leave the state. Many surrounding states offer at least one high end school in addition to the state university.

Iowa - Grinnell
Minnesota - Carleton, Macalester
Wisconsin - UW, Lawrence University,
Missouri - Wash U
Illinois - University of Chicago, Northwestern
Michigan - U of M,
Indiana - ND, Rose Hulman
Ohio - Oberlin, Kenyon, Dension
Pa - Carnegie Mellon, Penn, Bryn Mawr, ...

elite students looking for elite schools have to leave the state which makes it less likely they will come back

Creighton is considered a top university.
 

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What does a 3 bedroom ranch style house sell for in San Bernardino County? I bought a nice one (1500 sq ft) for my kid with an attached double garage on a nice lot near Aksarben in Omaha for 190k. I suspect other is state highways, state aid to education (public schools), department of social services etc etc.
A 4BR/2BA in a nice area of San Berdoo County on a decent lot, 2 car would be $400-450K. So the tax on a $425K house would be $3102. Plus, because of Prop 13 here that will go up very minimally year by year. I assume your kid is paying $3800. My point wasn't really about cost of living, it was about tax burden, but even so, like I said, a detailed cost analysis of all anticipated costs, food, gas, etc. shows it costs us the same to live here as Nebraska in retirement. The pie chart I was looking had its own slices for K-12, social services and transportation, so it was unclear what "other" slice was.

Here is the URL

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0cqUYhhmd0uuwfzuqqI2oE&ust=1553650116226817
 

dinglefritz

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A 4BR/2BA in a nice area of San Berdoo County on a decent lot, 2 car would be $400-450K. So the tax on a $425K house would be $3102. Plus, because of Prop 13 here that will go up very minimally year by year. I assume your kid is paying $3800. My point wasn't really about cost of living, it was about tax burden, but even so, like I said, a detailed cost analysis of all anticipated costs, food, gas, etc. shows it costs us the same to live here as Nebraska in retirement. The pie chart I was looking had its own slices for K-12, social services and transportation, so it was unclear what "other" slice was.

Here is the URL

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiY5PHu057hAhWFlp4KHUj-AGoQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https://ballotpedia.org/Medicaid_spending_in_Nebraska&psig=AOvVaw0cqUYhhmd0uuwfzuqqI2oE&ust=1553650116226817
I'm paying the property tax and it has been about 3200/year. My point was that the tax burden in Omaha (which is pretty high) is probably not much different than California for a similar house since you quoted the percentage difference. I don't live in Nebraska myself. I live in lower tax state without an income tax and which has been controlled by Republicans for decades (balanced budgets for decades).
 

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As an academic and NU alum, I find Pennsy’s take on point. NU grades out to be second tier, but support from the Unicam has been parsimonious. Have no idea what Bound’s motivation is, but College heads aren’t jazzed up when you asked them to do the same or more with less.

Purdue seems to get the message. Eighth year on tuition freeze.
 
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this is true ... it is far behind the other BIG universities in academic rigor. Much of college is what you put into it, but it is disappointing that for state residents seeking a highly selective academic environment they have to leave the state. Many surrounding states offer at least one high end school in addition to the state university.

Iowa - Grinnell
Minnesota - Carleton, Macalester
Wisconsin - UW, Lawrence University,
Missouri - Wash U
Illinois - University of Chicago, Northwestern
Michigan - U of M,
Indiana - ND, Rose Hulman
Ohio - Oberlin, Kenyon, Dension
Pa - Carnegie Mellon, Penn, Bryn Mawr, ...

elite students looking for elite schools have to leave the state which makes it less likely they will come back

But Midland costs just as much as those. It must be in the same league.
 

dinglefritz

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Purdue seems to get the message. Eighth year on tuition freeze.
In my area, you can start a job with a 2 year technical degree for 55-60k/year plus benefits and 1-1/2 time overtime if you want. I'm not sure that extra 2 years of lost income to start at a job for maybe less money and less job security is worth the extra 30k+/year of educational expense. Basically that's 100k in lost earnings plus another 60-70k in college costs. How many years do you have to work to make up that 170k? I'm guessing Purdue is quite a bit more than 30k per year.
 
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red scowl

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I fail to see how this connects with Hoiberg in any way. If he's doesn't come, it's not because the university president decided to leave. Remember too that the president is over the entire system, it's really the chancellor that is more important to UNL specifically.

Stability is important to any organization. We are bad at basketball. We are trying to hire a coach above our fighting weight. Our president abruptly quits. There have been rumblings of our A.D. retiring, quitting being fired.

It's not good imo. And it is kind of a big deal imo, also.
 

dinglefritz

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Stability is important to any organization. We are bad at basketball. We are trying to hire a coach above our fighting weight. Our president abruptly quits. There have been rumblings of our A.D. retiring, quitting being fired.

It's not good imo. And it is kind of a big deal imo, also.
Meh. Bounds leaving is not a problem. The Moos rumors are just that. Rumors and the rumors have not probably been started by people with NU's best interest at heart.
 

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I have to wonder if the Hoiberg stuff wasn't ever as solid as he made it out to be and now he's using this as an excuse to cover his rear. Count me as one who didn't fully buy into the idea that it was a done deal in the first place.
 

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KU, Colorado, Missouri, Iowa - talking about the large state universities....then go to the Big Ten: Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State, even Rutgers. All of these Big Ten schools are much higher rated academically than NU.
Easy observation and conclusion.....

The original point was about public funding for state colleges comparing Nebraska to surrounding states. BTW, Northwestern is private. Kansas has more than one flagship University.
 

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Personally I'm not gonna get clenched up about it. Miles deserves to be fired, regardless of what any clueless national pundit thinks. If it's not Hoiberg, then I guess next man up. At the end of the day.... Scott Frost is the football coach so I'm good.
 

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So many platitudes in this thread.
A lot of you regurgitate what the crowd of "experts" tell you without looking into it yourselves.
Our university has plenty of funding, and Im not some unedumacated redneck idiot for thinking it.
 
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We dont know whats going on behind the scenes, so we probably shouldnt come to conclusions until we actually know whats going on once all this is settled. At that time we can criticize or applaud when we have the details.
Thats why Im holding my tounge instead of saying what Im thinking.

Dirk probably should too.
 

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We dont know whats going on behind the scenes, so we probably shouldnt come to conclusions until we actually know whats going on once all this is settled. At that time we can criticize or applaud when we have the details.
Thats why Im holding my tounge instead of saying what Im thinking.

Dirk probably should too.
If I know one thing for certain, Dirk Chatelain is a tool.
 
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Bounds was hired in 2015 in the middle of a boom market for cattle. Cattle are worth about 60% of what they were 3 1/2 ago. All segments of agriculture are suffering from low prices right now and that's pretty unusual. It's negatively impacted tax receipts and put the university system in a huge bind.
 
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We dont know whats going on behind the scenes, so we probably shouldnt come to conclusions until we actually know whats going on once all this is settled. At that time we can criticize or applaud when we have the details.
Thats why Im holding my tounge instead of saying what Im thinking.

Dirk probably should too.

Your previous post leads me to believe you have all the answers.
 

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There's one hell of a lot of people that work for the university system that aren't profs, but you never hear about them when people are bitching about their taxes. Basically, rednecks don't like smart people so it's popular politically in the midwest to ***** about higher education.
Everywhere seems there is a negativitiy about education. Difficult to comprehend! Current climate is worse. Not good for the U.S.
 
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Look, when I walk around the UNL campus I see new building after new building. When we were looking at colleges for my kids I see HUGE advances in the engineering college and in particular the JDEdwards program. NOBODY can tell me that the state isn't spending enough money at UNL and UNO. I know profs like to ***** about their pay but somebody needs a reality check. IF you want to make big money, go get a job in the private sector and make something. For heaven's sake, the benefits, work conditions and job security college profs enjoy are ridiculous.

Dingle, you don't seem to have much of an understanding of academics and what college profs face and why they have chosen to make less money than had they gone in the private sector. I have no interest in derailing this thread but if you want to put aside your political leanings and gain some appreciation about life as an academician, I'd be happy to do that via private email. Just to head off an anticipated contention about not understanding the private sector, I do have a decent sense of it having been recruited to leave academia for it and also by seeing the incredible inefficiency of the major corporation for which my wife works, a corporation that you use on a daily basis without ever knowing it. If you are interested in an open-minded conversation, I will give you my personal email address and we can continue. Perhaps we both might gain some appreciation.
 

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It’s been reported that Bounds was “Tired.” Supple said in 1620 that the UNMC/UNO merger really weighed on Bounds. Knowing some people effected by it, I’m sure that was a pain in his ***. I could see a guy walking away after having to deal with that issue.
 

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Well, something was going on.

When you release the "I want to spend more time with my family" type of statements from top positions, you know it's theater for the masses, which is fine if you want to believe that stuff.

I'm not sure who or what is going on with the Moos rumors, but they seem pretty unsubstantiated. I'm guessing it has more to do with heads colliding at the highest levels over other issues.

And I'm guessing that fight is now over.
 
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Dingle, you don't seem to have much of an understanding of academics and what college profs face and why they have chosen to make less money than had they gone in the private sector. I have no interest in derailing this thread but if you want to put aside your political leanings and gain some appreciation about life as an academician, I'd be happy to do that via private email. Just to head off an anticipated contention about not understanding the private sector, I do have a decent sense of it having been recruited to leave academia for it and also by seeing the incredible inefficiency of the major corporation for which my wife works, a corporation that you use on a daily basis without ever knowing it. If you are interested in an open-minded conversation, I will give you my personal email address and we can continue. Perhaps we both might gain some appreciation.
I have a post grad degree. I have put 2 kids through college and the third one is at Harvard. I have had an in-law who was a college professor and another who still is. Don't give me the "take less money" crap for professors. My in-laws sought out the work because it was an easy job with great hours and tremendous benefits and guaranteed income. They had/have no pressure to produce and virtually no worries of ever getting fired. I understand the inefficiencies of major corporations. Their inefficiencies are only dwarfed by universities.
 
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dinglefritz

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Nice timing. The incompetence from the Nebraska administration never ceases to amaze me. Amatuer hour continues in Lincoln.
Don't get caught up in the hysteria. Dirk is over reacting and Lars has created his own little drama. There's no need for a hastily called press conference so that Dirk can feel better. I am certain that Moos and Green have communicated with Miles regularly and that Miles knows the score. I don't have a problem with Bounds leaving and IMO it may be a positive. He just didn't seem to be a fit at NU. It'll be fine. I would not be surprised to see Green elevated to university president.
 

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I have a post grad degree. I have put 2 kids through college and have the third one is at Harvard. I have had an in-law who was a college professor and another who still is. Don't give me the "take less money" crap for professors. My in-laws took sought out the work because it was an easy job with great hours and tremendous benefits and guaranteed income. They had/have no pressure to produce and virtually no worries of ever getting fired. I understand the inefficiencies of major corporations. Their inefficiencies are only dwarfed by universities.
Well put. I couldnt believe someone was using efficiency as a point of emphasis in defending universities over the private sector. I too know a university employee along with a regular "poor" teacher. Efficient. Lol
 

dinglefritz

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I really hope we have Hoiberg inked. There were a lot of people doing victory laps/end zone celebrations last week saying this was a done deal.
Not me. Just because Anderson was right about Frost doesn't mean he was right about Hoiberg. This could be a case where the news leak turned Hoiberg off or it could be a case where we were merely talking with his agent and nothing had been agreed upon. Sometimes the unexpected hire turns out to be the best you could have ever hoped for in the long run. We'll be fine.
 

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Not me. Just because Anderson was right about Frost doesn't mean he was right about Hoiberg. This could be a case where the news leak turned Hoiberg off or it could be a case where we were merely talking with his agent and nothing had been agreed upon. Sometimes the unexpected hire turns out to be the best you could have ever hoped for in the long run. We'll be fine.

That’s because you possibly heard Turgeon coming to Lincoln replacing Miles..;)
 

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I have a post grad degree. I have put 2 kids through college and the third one is at Harvard. I have had an in-law who was a college professor and another who still is. Don't give me the "take less money" crap for professors. My in-laws sought out the work because it was an easy job with great hours and tremendous benefits and guaranteed income. They had/have no pressure to produce and virtually no worries of ever getting fired. I understand the inefficiencies of major corporations. Their inefficiencies are only dwarfed by universities.

This. If anyone thinks the college system is more efficient than most corporations, they have not done their research. People will line up for college teaching jobs.
 

mgbreeze

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So we're arguing whether corporations or universities are more inefficient? We all agree they're both inefficient, but we need to make sure we're being heard that education is MORE inefficient? Just making sure I understand this point. It seems pretty relevant.