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World White Wayne sounds like a racist and is definitely a horrible volume poster.

Yeah, I’m a racist because I look at a system that gives minorities a great chance at a free education at schools that many of them would never get into and think it’s actually working pretty well. On the other hand, many of you think that 19-year old 3-stars with 800 SAT scores should be developing the new approach to make this work, which would reduce the opportunities for kids in other sports.
 

Century Cat

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I'm sure I've raised this before, but the book "The Cartel" by Adrian Branch tears the curtain back.

"Student-Athlete" was a term the NCAA created for the primary purpose of avoiding workers comp claims because Ivy League football players were being killed and maimed in the 1920s and 30s.

Since then the NCAA has morphed the term into its holier-than-thou connotation. For which greasy Mark Emmert is the perfect spokesman.
 

rudd1

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-ha, point taken. That said since the progressive income tax was instituted...that smidge of socialism has meant that the achievers/talented have paid the way in the usofa, in fact the 10% of the college athletic world paying the way for the the lesser athletes kinda *is* the American way. Makes sense to me.

-"more scholarships for white athletes"...*rolleyes*, emphatically.
 

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Universities need a kick in the ***, across the board. They’re more bloated than just about any government agency you can think of, and put tens of thousands of kids in bottomless debt while doing it.

If the college bubble popping has to take down the multi-billion dollar minor league system with it and return to something closer to real student-athletes, so be it. I’ll still be watching UK sports, regardless.
 
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I think some of these kids have finally figured out what their labor is REALLY worth (hint - a lot more than a college degree that seems to diminish in value by the minute) and the schools are scared shitless about it. I thought people getting paid for the value of their labor was the American way, but maybe I’m old-fashioned.

We simply can’t have inner city black kids getting paid while playing college sports much like many old white honks have an issue with the One and Done in college basketball.

I doubt many would care if college tennis players or golfers were compensated much like many adored Jordan Spieth’s brilliance at Augusta in 2015 despite him being a One and Done golfer.
 

BBdK

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The main issue Wayne is that with the star players their market value exceeds the monetary value of the scholarship and until the NCAA recognizes that gap & allows NIL the underground market will continue to exist & cheating will continue.

So what? It’s been that way our entire life - and we are all here in this thread Bc we worship college sports.

Thinking cheating will end is incredibly naive.
 
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I'd like to start addressing YouTube stars, SoundCloud rappers, child actors, tech prodigies and TikTok celebrities next. Honestly, those irresponsible children are going to make terrible decisions with their wealth, so I should just take it.
 

rudd1

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-note: i am all for kids getting paid whatever they can.

-note: players "organizing" will kill college sports as we know them. The target customer will walk.
 
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So what? It’s been that way our entire life - and we are all here in this thread Bc we worship college sports.

Thinking cheating will end is incredibly naive.

Let these kids earn money off of their NIL. That’s all I’m saying. The NCAA earns BILLIONS off of the tourney and everyone rakes off of this facade titled “amateurism”. Not saying cheating will end completely but as long as we have a large gap between a scholarship and the true market value the underground market will exist.
 

BBdK

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-note: i am all for kids getting paid whatever they can.

-note: players "organizing" will kill college sports as we know them. The target customer will walk.

From college sports, to social media mobs & cancel culture, to extreme wokeness - the current young generation and their “organizing” is out of control.

I’m for anything that slaps these turds down a notch or two.

#WhiteWodie

*i have no issue with NIL, but it stops cold there for me.
 

Hank Camacho

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This is only tangentially related to the coming demise of the NCAA as we know it, but if student loans were bankruptable the entire American university system would implode.

And it absolutely, 100% should.

Part of the effing problem with 2020 is we have entirely too many over-educated idiots straddled with debt on a worthless degree that didn't teach them a single marketable skill other than how to show up enough to get a gentleman's B and move on. And also that their opinion is special. Which it isn't.
 
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This is only tangentially related to the coming demise of the NCAA as we know it, but if student loans were bankruptable the entire American university system would implode.

And it absolutely, 100% should.

Part of the effing problem with 2020 is we have entirely too many over-educated idiots straddled with debt on a worthless degree that didn't teach them a single marketable skill other than how to show up enough to get a gentleman's B and move on. And also that their opinion is special. Which it isn't.
There was a bankruptcy court decision a while back that said student loans should be treated the same as any other loan in terms of dischargeability. Not entirely sure if it was taken up on appeal, but it caught my attention.
 

TheShowKiller

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No offense guys, but you guys sound like ****** negotiators and I bet your children walk all over you. If you're faced with a significant cost hit (e.g., having to pay your players), you call their f'ing bluff until you are seriously on the brink.

There is no other market for them - especially in football. And the last thing you want to do is give into some 19-year old halfway illiterate douche-bag who is upset that he didn't make the starting lineup by pandering to him when he feels like he's been mistreated.

Come out strong with, "you're getting a free education, which frankly costs more than you're worth. And if you don't like it have your **** out of the dorms by tomorrow. Check out's at noon."
Not what I was saying, you don’t pay spit but a scholarship.

In fact, you’re lining your own pockets with all the money you’re saving on enforcement and fighting losing legal battles like against UNC.

NCAA handles the organization of sports, let the free market determine what these kids get on the side. You’re a Republican, that should be music to your ears.
 
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The Republican in me says that if the schools making up the NCAA don’t want to pay the players they shouldn’t have to. And then - if there is a market for a few great but primarily mediocre players to get paid for their talents - one will get established.

You guys are basically advocating for a professional sports club owned by a university. And that sort of breaks the spirit of collegiate sports.
 
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And you’re advocating for a non profit business to continue pretending they don’t make money. So weird.


You know, it’s possible to be a student AND have an income at the same time. You’re not gonna believe this, but they actually encourage this sort of behavior at Harvard/Stanford/MIT/etc.
 

cole854

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Xander is due. He'd be my surprise for today. Complete game and just lacks the experience right now.

He's beat the best of the best 3 times...WGC, Maui, and a $10M check at East Lake. He also had 4 top 6 finishes in majors in the last 3 yrs.

Lack of experience doesn't crack the list of his problems, whatever they may be.
 

cole854

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A focused Sturgill outclasses Childers, imo. But Childers actually sticks to his strengths.

Can you understand his lyrics when he is focused?

Sturgill doesn't outclass anyone except the 20 yr old at Rippy's, and that is debatable.
 

catlanta33

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How many majors has he won?

Because not sure if you've watched much golf but they tend to **** down their legs on Sunday of a major. You can have the technicality that I didn't specifically point that out but figured it's implied when you're discussing who wins this major tournament.
 

catlanta33

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The entire fraud of amateurism in college sports began when universities began offering kids free tuition, room and board while also admitting them simply because they were talented athletes.

Lets not forget not having any rules in place that protect the student-athlete from institutional academic fraud for 20 years.
 
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Maybe the pandemic will balance out the downfall of the NCAA with the (potential, I assume) downfall of various basketball leagues around the world where a ton of our former guys are playing... e.g. that market that has been established. I can tell myself I'd root for UKBB regardless, but if everybody was plotting their pharma sales path rather than some next level of basketball, I'm not sure.

Also, nice article on Charles Matthews hoping to get another chance.
 

TheShowKiller

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The Republican in me says that if the schools making up the NCAA don’t want to pay the players they shouldn’t have to. And then - if there is a market for a few great but primarily mediocre players to get paid for their talents - one will get established.

You guys are basically advocating for a professional sports club owned by a university. And that sort of breaks the spirit of collegiate sports.
Nope.

We aren’t advocating that the school pay them at all, just that the NCAA stay out of their way of making money elsewhere (which they already are).

I feel like the difference isn’t difficult to grasp.
 

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No way it doesn’t end in a playoff. Preferably going until midnight local time, under the lights.
 
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The Republican in me says that if the schools making up the NCAA don’t want to pay the players they shouldn’t have to. And then - if there is a market for a few great but primarily mediocre players to get paid for their talents - one will get established.

You guys are basically advocating for a professional sports club owned by a university. And that sort of breaks the spirit of collegiate sports.



High major college football and basketball is already a professional sports club owned by a university. Good grief. The tv money, the shoe money, the conference windfall profits, the absurd coaching salaries, corporate sponsored bowl games, the arms races for these resort like facilities on and on and on. This is big business.

“Breaks the spirit of collegiate athletics.” Sounds like something some musty 70 year old IU basketball fan wearing a Bob Knight red sweater would say.
 

wcc31

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- According to tech company and music distributor Spotify, besides Vampire Weekend, I played no artist more in 2019 than Tyler Childers. I’m a huge fan ...

But at their peak when playing to their strengths, Sturg is far and away better. Not even close.

- Opened that Wild Turkey Master Keep Decades this weekend. Wooo boy - that is some tasty Kentucky water right there. I like it better than my 2019 Birthday Bourbon and Rip 10 Year.

- Bell is getting dangerously close to Dusty Baker territory for my pops ...

- No reason in my mind for players not to earn $$$ off their likeness. Johnny Booster Cardealer is going to run out of $$$ eventually paying every kid so that will work itself out.

- But Woodie is right about one thing- this player empowerment thing is going to have backlash very soon. Few are as spoiled, fortunate and out-of-touch as elite athletes.
 
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