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Strokin_Bandit

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This country is full of insanely stubborn right-fighters, but it’s not enough to be be right anymore. It has to “I’m right AND . . :

* You’re a hypocrite
* I’m morally superior
* You’re life should be ruined
* I’m intellectually superior
* I’m more clever than you (here’s a sarcastic comment to prove it. . . or a plagiarized meme.)

Both sides. Prideful ********.
 

wcc31

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Agree with everything you said wcc but here's the trouble with simply saying "I'm on the side of science". The science changes damn near daily and often times lags by weeks and even months. You can't make rules that way, as those rules are quickly seen as arbitrary, random and counterproductive to a functioning society (schools, businesses, mental & physical health).

I wear a mask in places of business as a courtesy but I understand why many are skeptical. In March Facui gave a 60 Minutes interview insisting masks are not necessary. That in the middle of a pandemic it might make people feel better but there's just as many unintended consequences of the mask from a health standpoint.

He's also the same guy who said just 15 days to flatten the curve when this started. Then shut everything down in early April, only to follow it up a month later saying irreparable damage would come from a prolonged shutdown.

There's countless other examples Dr. 735 can provide but you quickly see that when the experts flip-flop that often and our leaders then adjust how people are governed, though making random exceptions based on sjw issues, many people say thanks but no thanks.

It'd be easier to acknowledge he and other epidemiologists put a chip on every number at the COVID craps table to hedge scientific bet.

Yeah I get it but you also have to keep in mind the challenges of making sure an unprepared healthcare system was equipped with the tools they needed. We had people hoarding toilet paper. You don’t think they’d have hoarded masks? March was a shitshow. PPE shortage was a legit concern in hospitals.

I think Fauci and the docs are doing the best they can. It’s their job to be super-cautious.
 

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BBdK, I’ve seen jockeys jump off horses, stand up on them in mid stretch and holler at another jockey to slow it up or they couldn’t catch up. The funniest was a trainer gave us a tip his horse was set up to win at big odds....he ran 5th. The trainer immediately went to the jockey and asked wtf happened and the jockey looked dead at him and said “sorry, jockey race, next time you’ll get yours.”
It’s hard enough to handicap a race but on small tracks unless it’s 50K or bigger you never know what’ll happen.
 

Bonzo_Cat

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So you're saying the comment about them causing more harm was so folks wouldn't buy a mask?

I think openly informing citizens of a need to build up PPE surpluses and asking only those at-risk to buy masks for a few weeks while hospitals can do so is much more digestible than building a false narrative telling people they are unnecessary / harmful.

Going back and forth on what you communicate during a pandemic can be seen as cautious or condescending, depending on who hears the message. You erode the publics trust like that then don't ask why some don't fall in-line with everything else you say.
 

_Chase_

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Yeah I get it but you also have to keep in mind the challenges of making sure an unprepared healthcare system was equipped with the tools they needed. We had people hoarding toilet paper. You don’t think they’d have hoarded masks? March was a shitshow. PPE shortage was a legit concern in hospitals.

I think Fauci and the docs are doing the best they can. It’s their job to be super-cautious.

I agree they are doing the best they can for the most part, but for that brief time period when they came out and said masks don't help at all was one of the dumbest moves of all time. I get that they were trying to save PPE for hospitals, but outright lying to people about them having zero positive effect was just stupid, and a big reason people now are just like f*ck off with masks, you already told us they didn't work.
 

joeyrupption

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The basic science of masking hasn’t changed since 1918 but lazy rage-entitlement has.

The message changed once the supply chain caught up. (N95’s and R95’s were plentiful at flyover big box stores through January.) But masks were coming all along, society just had to wait out the hissy fits after the supply chain caught up.

The same deal applies to wearing masks. ... But the government knew there was nowhere near enough masks for even healthcare workers, so they put out a big lie of “masks won’t work” to keep people from buying them.

Now, they’re going to have to reverse the message of “masks don’t work” on a huge scale as our own production ramps up. Hopefully we all can start wearing them out and about by the end of the summer.
 

tallkat70

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To me, the mask thing is the same thing as people who want you to remove your shoes at their door and people that don't care. If you're the owner/manager of a business that wants a mask on, it's your house and I will do so or I don't have to come in. Or you don't care and tell me I can do whatever way I'm comfortable with. Either way works for me. But I also try to follow the rule of don't communicate on social media what you wouldn't say to someone's face so maybe I'm in the minority on this.
 

anthonys735

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What drives me insane is media with the headlines!!

OMG Arizona is going to collapse, record cases, record deaths, it's ONLY people from bars and lockdowns!!

When in reality the reporting is so f*cking jacked up most of those recorded tests or deaths are from some other day in the last 2 months. The CDC/WHO are the real issues, they've been absolute disasters. How we don't have standard reporting is a travesty on economy and life lost. Trump somewhere right behind them. Then De Blassio and Cuomo.

Below is what pisses me off. In a result of what looks like a massive daily spike in Florida, Kentuckians rights, don't care your opinion, are being infringed on and I'm worried we've gotten way too f*cking casual with that stuff. How are people supposed to make decisions? This is the case everywhere all the way down to hospital chains>cities>counties>states>regions>countries. No standard reporting anywhere. These numbers you're being fed are absolute historic fiction. No info on what constitutes w/ or of, no clarification that nearly 36k of the OMG 135k are probable deaths that are lock down related but not covid. You read that right, it's estimated 1/3 of the deaths being thrown in our face about how ****** Americans are doing, not deaths from or with covid, but probable related to lock down.

 

Bonzo_Cat

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95k of the 135k deaths (70%) came from NY, Jersey, Philly or Boston and many of those due to the nursing home fiasco.

The northeast is the ballgame yet we're treating the entire country like we all live in Manhattan.
 

anthonys735

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You know, it would have been nice to see how this would have been dealt with had we had a competent federal response from day one (or day twenty). One of the all-time great "What ifs?"
The weird thing, US has actually done average or better at deaths per capita when stacked next to our most comparable western countries. But I agree, Trump/CDC have been terrible.
 
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My mask wearing hatred boils down to:

1) I simply don’t believe in the medical efficacy of wearing a dirty piece of cloth on your face
2) it’s a small piece of the overall puzzle in which our country has literally gone to ****, and we’re now seeing local businesses closing left and right. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. When people’s entire worlds are ruined, asking them to do anything is going to get serious pushback.
 

wcc31

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What drives me insane is media with the headlines!!

OMG Arizona is going to collapse, record cases, record deaths, it's ONLY people from bars and lockdowns!!

When in reality the reporting is so f*cking jacked up most of those recorded tests or deaths are from some other day in the last 2 months. The CDC/WHO are the real issues, they've been absolute disasters. How we don't have standard reporting is a travesty on economy and life lost. Trump somewhere right behind them. Then De Blassio and Cuomo.

Below is what pisses me off. In a result of what looks like a massive daily spike in Florida, Kentuckians rights, don't care your opinion, are being infringed on and I'm worried we've gotten way too f*cking casual with that stuff. How are people supposed to make decisions? This is the case everywhere all the way down to hospital chains>cities>counties>states>regions>countries. No standard reporting anywhere. These numbers you're being fed are absolute historic fiction. No info on what constitutes w/ or of, no clarification that nearly 36k of the OMG 135k are probable deaths that are lock down related but not covid. You read that right, it's estimated 1/3 of the deaths being thrown in our face about how ****** Americans are doing, not deaths from or with covid, but probable related to lock down.


I completely agree, and it’s worsened by the fact people don’t read anymore.
 
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rudd1

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-central planning is rarely (if ever) the answer to anything. What is good practice for NYC isnt good practice for Moscow, Idaho or East Bernstadt, KY...or upstate NY ffs.

-historically there is no one size fits all approach...therefore the desire for a "strong federal response" is code for orange man bad/THANKSOBAMA1!! depending on which team you root for. Local/state govts have the infrastructure/knowledge/connections to make **** happen...the feds have money, and in this instance they can't be accused on being stingy.
 
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Strangely enough, the economy hasn’t even turned bad yet. Thanks to $3 trillion in fake money, and the historic tax cuts last year, most people are doing just fine. I don’t know when, and certainly don’t know for how long, but at some point a titanic ishstorm is coming. Anecdotally, I’m seeing small businesses now start to fold — gyms, bars, restaurants, hotels. When I’m personally connected to these places, whether I patronize them, know the owners (/80), or have friends that work there, it’s just incredibly depressing.
 

TheShowKiller

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Something else regarding masks.

There is a group of people (and many within the medical community) that believe, not only will the virus take it's course regardless, that is what we should be allowing it to do...at least within the healthy population. Actually masking may just be prolonging this thing. Seems like the same people that talk about not knowing the full effect of the virus are the ones confidently proclaiming masks as the magical cure.

Well China wears them...well they eat effin bats and got us into this mess in the first place! Forgive me if I'm not looking at them as a beacon of hope.

I don't know, I hate the masks and wear them begrudgingly to be respectful to others.
 

MaxPowerrr

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For a few minutes I didn’t recognize the bar pictured in that article about Two Keys.

Honestly, all the times I’ve been to Two Keys I don’t know that I’ve ever used the front door. Is that a working entrance?
 
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-central planning is rarely (if ever) the answer to anything. What is good practice for NYC isnt good practice for Moscow, Idaho or East Bernstadt, KY...or upstate NY ffs.

-historically there is no one size fits all approach...therefore the desire for a "strong federal response" is code for orange man bad/THANKSOBAMA1!! depending on which team you root for. Local/state govts have the infrastructure/knowledge/connections to make **** happen...the feds have money, and in this instance they can't be accused on being stingy.
The problem is that diseases don't really give a **** about federalism. Or borders. There are certain things the federal government should take the lead on and a world-wide pandemic, imo, is one of them. I guarantee you all 50 governors - R or D - would've loved some direction from Washington early on.
 

krazykats

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Re: Masks

I simply just do not care if I get Covid at this point so I only wear mask responsibly around elders and in hospitals etc.

I do have to follow the guidelines better now because my parents live with us, and it’s hard for me to even remember honestly.

Also I think our governor is huge ***** so anything he suggest I immediately disregard.
 

cole854

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Strangely enough, the economy hasn’t even turned bad yet. Thanks to $3 trillion in fake money, and the historic tax cuts last year, most people are doing just fine. I don’t know when, and certainly don’t know for how long, but at some point a titanic ishstorm is coming. Anecdotally, I’m seeing small businesses now start to fold — gyms, bars, restaurants, hotels. When I’m personally connected to these places, whether I patronize them, know the owners (/80), or have friends that work there, it’s just incredibly depressing.

Economy didn't turn bad....ok.

Bed Bath & Beyond, Brooks Bros, Pier 1, JC Penney...just to name a few that have closed many stores which means massive unemployed. Hotel/Restaurant industry in the country was decimated (Ky Restaurants lost close to a $1B in April/May) MGM resorts lost $14M per day...multiply that by X large resorts. Tens of millions are still out of work.

Most people are doing just fine?...so screw the others, I guess. Their loss.
 
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wcc31

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The problem is that diseases don't really give a **** about federalism. Or borders. There are certain things the federal government should take the lead on and a world-wide pandemic, imo, is one of them. I guarantee you all 50 governors - R or D - would've loved some direction from Washington early on.

Don’t tell IndiRudd that. He’s just unbiased guy constantly taking shots at only one side.
 

rudd1

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-the cdc, fauci/birx, the surgeon general et al were supplying recommendations.

-i want to ask, and i swear on my american made socks im not being a dick (because i like/respect you...and other thoughtful posters), what *measures*/actions should've/could've been taken by the federal govt.

-i know the douche bag *said* some stupid ****, but im looking for hard unemotional criticism...actual steps that should've been taken.
 

Hank Camacho

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Flattening the curve so we don't overwhelm ICUs made perfect sense and I fully supported that. But there is no magical vaccine coming and the nanny state BS with no end in sight is ridiculous.

I completely understand the "Just wear the damn mask" crowd. I wear one where legally required or if required by a business and no more than that. But I also take a lot of other precautions and do all I can to not infect anyone else if I do get it.

But when government invokes emergency powers which (by f***ing definition) allow for things that would otherwise be illegal and/or unconstitutional AND gets to extend the "emergency" until they say it is over, that's a HUGE F***ING PROBLEM.
 

joeyrupption

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-the cdc, fauci/birx, the surgeon general et al were supplying recommendations.

-i want to ask, and i swear on my american made socks im not being a dick (because i like/respect you...and other thoughtful posters), what *measures*/actions should've/could've been taken by the federal govt.

-i know the douche bag *said* some stupid ****, but im looking for hard unemotional criticism...actual steps that should've been taken.
I thought you’d never ask:

- The virus genome was publicly available in mid-January, and the first tests were developed shortly thereafter. The World Health Organization (WHO) sent hundreds of thousands of tests to dozens of laboratories around the world by early February. But the administration and CDC decided to rely exclusively on domestically developed tests, apparently in keeping with past practice. The CDC developed its own test in early February, which was then distributed to labs. But, as became clear roughly a week later, one of the reagents in its kits proved to be faulty, which meant that most labs were unable to proceed using CDC-provided test kits.

- Nevertheless, for at least two weeksafter the problem became clear, alternative paths to testing were either neglected or stymied by existing regulations.

- Although the Emergency Use Authorizations required by the declaration of a public health emergency were meant to facilitate rapid testing, it soon became clear that their required procedures were actually significantly retarding the development of effective testing at scale.

- CDC was reassuring state and local officials that testing capacity was adequate in late February, although it was reported that fewer than 500 tests had been conducted at that point. (CDC’s own count, which includes its own tests plus those of U.S. public health labs, puts the total number of tests at the end of February at around 4,000.)

- Perversely, the failure to test at scale kept the publicly recognized number of cases low, which served as a justification for insisting that the existing testing regime was adequate.

- This phase lasted through nearly all of February—a lost month during a critical period.

- A third phase began in late February, when the CDC and FDA demonstrated a clear shift in their sense of urgency. Although testing was finally expanding during this phase, availability was still severely limited, in spite of administration insistence of adequacy.
 

jwheat

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I thought you’d never ask:

- The virus genome was publicly available in mid-January, and the first tests were developed shortly thereafter. The World Health Organization (WHO) sent hundreds of thousands of tests to dozens of laboratories around the world by early February. But the administration and CDC decided to rely exclusively on domestically developed tests, apparently in keeping with past practice. The CDC developed its own test in early February, which was then distributed to labs. But, as became clear roughly a week later, one of the reagents in its kits proved to be faulty, which meant that most labs were unable to proceed using CDC-provided test kits.

- Nevertheless, for at least two weeksafter the problem became clear, alternative paths to testing were either neglected or stymied by existing regulations.

- Although the Emergency Use Authorizations required by the declaration of a public health emergency were meant to facilitate rapid testing, it soon became clear that their required procedures were actually significantly retarding the development of effective testing at scale.

- CDC was reassuring state and local officials that testing capacity was adequate in late February, although it was reported that fewer than 500 tests had been conducted at that point. (CDC’s own count, which includes its own tests plus those of U.S. public health labs, puts the total number of tests at the end of February at around 4,000.)

- Perversely, the failure to test at scale kept the publicly recognized number of cases low, which served as a justification for insisting that the existing testing regime was adequate.

- This phase lasted through nearly all of February—a lost month during a critical period.

- A third phase began in late February, when the CDC and FDA demonstrated a clear shift in their sense of urgency. Although testing was finally expanding during this phase, availability was still severely limited, in spite of administration insistence of adequacy.
Link to where you c/p that from please
 
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We’ve been wearing masks in CA for 4 months and the cases are still spiking. And we’ve had the most stringent and earliest lockdowns. So what does that mean? What was the point of the lockdowns? What is the point of the masks and social distancing? We’ve been doing everything they’ve asked us to do. And we’re still getting cases. Sounds like the “science” isn’t very scientific.
 

anthonys735

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I thought you’d never ask:

- The virus genome was publicly available in mid-January, and the first tests were developed shortly thereafter. The World Health Organization (WHO) sent hundreds of thousands of tests to dozens of laboratories around the world by early February. But the administration and CDC decided to rely exclusively on domestically developed tests, apparently in keeping with past practice. The CDC developed its own test in early February, which was then distributed to labs. But, as became clear roughly a week later, one of the reagents in its kits proved to be faulty, which meant that most labs were unable to proceed using CDC-provided test kits.

- Nevertheless, for at least two weeksafter the problem became clear, alternative paths to testing were either neglected or stymied by existing regulations.

- Although the Emergency Use Authorizations required by the declaration of a public health emergency were meant to facilitate rapid testing, it soon became clear that their required procedures were actually significantly retarding the development of effective testing at scale.

- CDC was reassuring state and local officials that testing capacity was adequate in late February, although it was reported that fewer than 500 tests had been conducted at that point. (CDC’s own count, which includes its own tests plus those of U.S. public health labs, puts the total number of tests at the end of February at around 4,000.)

- Perversely, the failure to test at scale kept the publicly recognized number of cases low, which served as a justification for insisting that the existing testing regime was adequate.

- This phase lasted through nearly all of February—a lost month during a critical period.

- A third phase began in late February, when the CDC and FDA demonstrated a clear shift in their sense of urgency. Although testing was finally expanding during this phase, availability was still severely limited, in spite of administration insistence of adequacy.
So that covers basically the 4 weeks before the pandemic started. Spoiler alert, it really hasn't improved much.
 
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rudd1

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-so the us should've shirked protocol/past practice and used WHO tests? Noted. Were those WHO tests proven reliable? I dont recall.

-the federal bureaucracy developed "faulty" tests. Noted.

-regulations/ govt procedures slowed down production/development. Noted.

-the politicians "spun" this info to save face. Noted.

-after removing regs/working around bureaucracy things went better. Noted.

-thanks, joey.
 

joeyrupption

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-so the us should've shirked protocol/past practice and used WHO tests? Noted. Were those WHO tests proven reliable? I dont recall.

-the federal bureaucracy developed "faulty" tests. Noted.

-regulations/ govt procedures slowed down production/development. Noted.

-the politicians "spun" this info to save face. Noted.

-after removing regs/working around bureaucracy things went better. Noted.

-thanks, joey.
-what *measures*/actions should've/could've been taken by the federal govt.

You’re welcome.

They should’ve made a test for one thing, COVID-19. And they should’ve used the WHO test they were given in addition to making their own - since they were nowhere near the capacity.

Instead, they made a test with a bunch of sidecar tests to find out what people were “really” sick from - to prove it wasn’t COVID-19. It’s the apocryphal example of the US investing millions in a space pen when the Russians used pencils.

The biggest issue that none of this touches on is Data. The data needs the central guidance and resultant interoperability that can only come from on high. We totally screwed that up and will never figure it out.
 
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Economy didn't turn bad....ok.

Bed Bath & Beyond, Brooks Bros, Pier 1, JC Penney...just to name a few that have closed many stores which means massive unemployed. Hotel/Restaurant industry in the country was decimated (Ky Restaurants lost close to a $1B in April/May) MGM resorts lost $14M per day...multiply that by X large resorts. Tens of millions are still out of work.

Most people are doing just fine?...so screw the others, I guess. Their loss.

Let you in on a little secret hoss,
BB&B, Jacque Pena's, Pier 1 where all ready going belly up and closing stores. You can blame Amazon and the other on line giants for brick and mortar stores closing, not just Covid.
 
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