Hey now lol
I really hope I am wrong, but if we can't get 6 wins with this schedule we are looking at a rebuild.
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Hey now lol
I really hope I am wrong, but if we can't get 6 wins with this schedule we are looking at a rebuild.
we dont get six wins its time to turn the page on Ash ,as recruiting is still not good enough in year #3 to compete with 85% of B10.,
Did Schiano achieve any of those things in the first three years? No. How many years did it take to achieve them? But you want Ash to achieve them before the third season has barely even started.
First, IIRC he never beat Miami, VT, or BC. It's no great accomplishment to make bowl games when the top 3 teams leave the conference. And he never beat WVU either.
Second...every team in our conference except Rutgers and USF got to a BCS bowl game, even UCONN and Cincinnati.
Third...whatever (false) acclaim he received then to benefit recruiting is long gone. He had a crappy reputation in the NFL and also within his own team, and he's stained by the UT fallout. He's yesterday's news and wouldn't be recruiting from the same position.
He could do no worse than Fudd and Ash, but that's a very low bar.
Second...every team in our conference except Rutgers and USF got to a BCS bowl game, even UCONN and Cincinnati.
Third...whatever (false) acclaim he received then to benefit recruiting is long gone. He had a crappy reputation in the NFL and also within his own team, and he's stained by the UT fallout. He's yesterday's news and wouldn't be recruiting from the same position.
He could do no worse than Fudd and Ash, but that's a very low bar.
how is he stained by some fools at UT,who themselves have run out any decent coach ,and are a dumpster fire of a program??. If there was any "stain "nationally,it was the Vols fan base and Admins.If you think Ash is going to pull in recruiting classes in the 20s rankings or even a 30 ranking,get any team he coaches Ranked in a national poll,then you are clueless.
OSU's Greg Schinao is 247's Big Ten Recruiter of the Year
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-...orts-Big-Ten-Recruiter-of-the-Year-115040973/
Sadly, no one from Sabin to Meyer let alone GS or Ash is winning at OSU with this roster. I like GS but having him in the driver seat last Saturday would not have made any difference.
I think that's true- we will know where we are in the next 6 games though, for sure.
Vince Lombardi would have suffered the same fate Saturday.
But would he suffer the same fate 3 years from now due to better recruiting classes?
I have a lot of respect for Graber. I found him to be a very nice person. I think he was an exceptional defensive backs coach who got Peter Principled into a job (Rutgers head coach) where he was over his head. And while he was here he had no facilities (until his last year), no institutional support and his assistants were nothing but lazy incompetent dogshit (except for Spagnuolo, but he was just learning).
Graber was a solid man.
No... I think that inappropriately extends the definition of "rebuild".
Simple fact - we have to play Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State every single year. That means getting past 7 wins in any given season is, at best, a low-percentage accomplishment. At best.
Then, in varying years, we have to play teams like Wisconsin or Nebraska. So in many years, 7 wins would be a high bar.
Overcoming that bar isn't a "rebuild". It's a VERY long-term effort to benchmark the program to play at the level of, at least, UM / MSU.
That's a very, very serious undertaking and we're simply not equipped for it. We don't have the broad-based fan support and we're not getting the requisite caliber of recruits.
I spent the last 6 days with my dad on a road trip through the south, ultimately winding up in Gainesville on Saturday for the UF-KY game (Florida sucks this year, Mullen is an empty suit). We spent a lot of time talking Rutgers football. I'm of the opinion that, from where we're sitting right now, the only odds-on chance we have of turning this program around in *less than* 10 years is to hire Les Miles. That, in a nutshell, is the level of intervention that is required.
The Schiano-to-Rutgers return scenario is always fun to speculate about. How would it go?
I'd discount his failure in the NFL. Nick Saban was only 15-17 there, but I think most would agree that he's not such a bad coach, is he?
No one on earth can dispute Schiano's program-building acumen. Rutgers' rise to respectability (and thus, the Big Ten) is his alone to claim. Forget Banquet Circuit Bob, who took all his orders from Schiano, and forget Pernetti, who only had to not screw the Big Ten invite up. The credit is all Schiano's.
His return would make a big local splash (if not huge outside New Jersey), but it's hard to go home again. Is the spell he had on local coaches and recruits gone? He always spun the tale about how he grew up wanting to coach Rutgers and lead them to prominence, and I think that resonated with a lot of people. But did he cash that in when he left? Even though he left for the NFL and more money, it was the first time he clearly showed that he harbored higher aspirations than coaching Rutgers. And that's fine - I think most coaches do - but he was so intertwined with Rutgers that it was hard to separate them or picture them as separate entities. That's no longer true.
Also, he is not the same persona that was was in 2001 or 2006 or 2010 or 2012. I think many people view him through a different prism. His departure was abrupt and ruffled many feathers. I won't claim to be so tapped into the coaching scene that I can say exactly how he's held by those coaches now, but anecdotally, the evidence I've heard isn't great. And then he flopped in Tampa Bay, big time. As I said, I don't hold it against him, but some will. Many negative views of him came to light during that time, too - he was despised by his NFL peers, and I think more locally, some felt freer to speak ill of him, too, with him gone from Piscataway.
Much (not all) of the Penn State/Sandusky/Paterno scandal also unformed since he left. He still bears some of that taint, as we saw with the Tennessee thing. Man, that was ugly. U-G-L-Y. A whole fanbase in revolt because they so desperately did not want him in Knoxville. Do I think they weaponized that PSU thing to lobby against a coach they just didn't want? Yes, I think so. I really doubt they were that offended by his tenuous link to Sandusky as to do that. Rather, I think they used it to stage a convenient referendum on Greg Schiano, the prospective coach of UT football, and the result was decidedly against him. That's a stink that will be on him for a loooong time, fair or not. How would that affect his ability to do the job at Rutgers? Hard to say. But it's clear that his armor has many more nicks in it now than it did in early 2012.
Finally, he'd be competing on a whole new plain now. On one hand, you might think he'd be able to recruit better now than in his first stint, given the appeal of the Big Ten versus the Big East. But that discounts this redrawn Greg Schiano I have depicted here. It's possible that for every appealing facet there is of him, it is mitigated by a negative that did not exist when he was first here. And even if he could bring in improved talent, does he have the coaching acumen to match up with the best in the league? Guys who can fill their rosters with five-star talent and develop a winning game plan?
It's all so hard to say - there are many, many variables. I think you'd see an improved Rutgers football, but never any 2006-type seasons if he came back. I think you could still chisel in losses to OSU 14 our of every 15 years, but not by 56-0-style scores. In a good year, you'd pick up wins against the next level of teams - Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State or Northwestern - and when you string together enough in one year, two or maybe three times a decade, you have a pretty fun season, your 8-4, even occasional 9-3, the kind that make you keep coming back.
I'd discount his failure in the NFL. Nick Saban was only 15-17 there, but I think most would agree that he's not such a bad coach, is he?
No one on earth can dispute Schiano's program-building acumen. Rutgers' rise to respectability (and thus, the Big Ten) is his alone to claim. Forget Banquet Circuit Bob, who took all his orders from Schiano, and forget Pernetti, who only had to not screw the Big Ten invite up. The credit is all Schiano's.
His return would make a big local splash (if not huge outside New Jersey), but it's hard to go home again. Is the spell he had on local coaches and recruits gone? He always spun the tale about how he grew up wanting to coach Rutgers and lead them to prominence, and I think that resonated with a lot of people. But did he cash that in when he left? Even though he left for the NFL and more money, it was the first time he clearly showed that he harbored higher aspirations than coaching Rutgers. And that's fine - I think most coaches do - but he was so intertwined with Rutgers that it was hard to separate them or picture them as separate entities. That's no longer true.
Also, he is not the same persona that was was in 2001 or 2006 or 2010 or 2012. I think many people view him through a different prism. His departure was abrupt and ruffled many feathers. I won't claim to be so tapped into the coaching scene that I can say exactly how he's held by those coaches now, but anecdotally, the evidence I've heard isn't great. And then he flopped in Tampa Bay, big time. As I said, I don't hold it against him, but some will. Many negative views of him came to light during that time, too - he was despised by his NFL peers, and I think more locally, some felt freer to speak ill of him, too, with him gone from Piscataway.
Much (not all) of the Penn State/Sandusky/Paterno scandal also unformed since he left. He still bears some of that taint, as we saw with the Tennessee thing. Man, that was ugly. U-G-L-Y. A whole fanbase in revolt because they so desperately did not want him in Knoxville. Do I think they weaponized that PSU thing to lobby against a coach they just didn't want? Yes, I think so. I really doubt they were that offended by his tenuous link to Sandusky as to do that. Rather, I think they used it to stage a convenient referendum on Greg Schiano, the prospective coach of UT football, and the result was decidedly against him. That's a stink that will be on him for a loooong time, fair or not. How would that affect his ability to do the job at Rutgers? Hard to say. But it's clear that his armor has many more nicks in it now than it did in early 2012.
Finally, he'd be competing on a whole new plain now. On one hand, you might think he'd be able to recruit better now than in his first stint, given the appeal of the Big Ten versus the Big East. But that discounts this redrawn Greg Schiano I have depicted here. It's possible that for every appealing facet there is of him, it is mitigated by a negative that did not exist when he was first here. And even if he could bring in improved talent, does he have the coaching acumen to match up with the best in the league? Guys who can fill their rosters with five-star talent and develop a winning game plan?
It's all so hard to say - there are many, many variables. I think you'd see an improved Rutgers football, but never any 2006-type seasons if he came back. I think you could still chisel in losses to OSU 14 our of every 15 years, but not by 56-0-style scores. In a good year, you'd pick up wins against the next level of teams - Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State or Northwestern - and when you string together enough in one year, two or maybe three times a decade, you have a pretty fun season, your 8-4, even occasional 9-3, the kind that make you keep coming back.
That's all fair, but my concern at the moment is less about those 4 schools and more about the next 6 games and very ripe opportunity to pick up wins against teams that we'd beaten back in our BE days.
I think, I don't speak for everyone I know, that it would be reasonable to expect to win the lower echelon conference games and say, at least give half of the "Big 4" a run for their money if not win outright. That's a recipe for bowl games. I think the helplessness after Saturday is misplaced. I was expecting to be destroyed. And I'm only asking to be an Iowa, not an Ohio State.
Now if we lose on of the next two games, then it's rightly placed and I think a rebuild is the right term. Because that's regression beyond even Flood's low water mark.
LOL.. so i guess Greg only coached at RU from 2006-2011. WHO was the coach from 2001-05, his evil twin? This is a rebuild and one game does not define the Ash era. These next 6 games are our season. Make a bowl game and win it and recruiting will pick up. I would also let the defensive coordinator walk and promote Noah Joseph and bring back Anthony campanile since he's such a great recruiter.
money and ego do strange things.Never and money dont go together and being a HC again in power 5 , B10...
We agree on something. The talent that he'd recruit alone would take the program a step forward.
Tennessee may not be ready to win but that have the $$$ to compete.
This x 1 million. Bringing back Schiano would be exactly like getting back with an ex. Some "missed you so much" joy for the first few days/weeks, followed immediately by, "oh yeah, I forgot about the bad times," then a slow spiral into deep, deep regret.
Only it'd be more like marrying your ex because you ain't getting rid of GS2 for years.
No and no.
Bump.
It’s time. Bring back the only guy who has won here in the modern era.
A guy who developed NFL talent out of 2 & 3 star guys, worked with the best in the pros, and has led one of the most dominant college defenses we’ve ever seen.
Enough of this ex crap. Sometimes you bring back your ex, because you’re meant for each other. Schiano knows how to build this program, left before seeing his very best team take the field, and the tennessee debacle plays into out hands.
No one else of his quality is going to consider coming here. On the flip side, Schiano’s not easily getting another P5 position, even though he should.
Sure as hell we wouldn’t be getting BLOWN OUT by Kansas!!!
It’s time. Bring back the only guy who has won here in the modern era.
A guy who developed NFL talent out of 2 & 3 star guys, worked with the best in the pros, and has led one of the most dominant college defenses we’ve ever seen.
Enough of this ex crap. Sometimes you bring back your ex, because you’re meant for each other. Schiano knows how to build this program, left before seeing his very best team take the field, and the tennessee debacle plays into out hands.
No one else of his quality is going to consider coming here. On the flip side, Schiano’s not easily getting another P5 position, even though he should.
Sure as hell we wouldn’t be getting BLOWN OUT by Kansas!!!
This needs to happen. Ash was the wrong choice and whatever discussions were had or not had 3 years ago it is time to make things right
agreed.... Schiano accomplished a lot for what little he had to work with over time. now he would have the tools. I get it, it may never happened, but as a Schiano fan, I surely wish it did. plus Ash has a crappy personality and does nothing to get fan base excited.
Literally the ONE coach that brought us into positive talk nationwide. Honestly, I couldn’t care less about his BE record at this point. Give him a chance to recruit in this conference. We would not be losing to fuxking KANSAS by 5 touchdowns under him. All optimism is gone. This program is dead without a splash.
Then who.....? why do we have to be a 3-4 yr project and other schools bounce back or continue on with winning records when they switch coachs. I am sick of giving multiple years and a whole lot of slack to Ash. Schiano brought us to respectability, not immortality. At least there was hope and better attendance with him.