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So we would win the the off season? Then the season would start. How many points would we give up to Iowa? He gave up 55 with a roster of first round picks.
Yes, we’d win recruiting wars.
Is that important?
Greg Schiano does not want to come back to Rutgers. He sees his career as being on an upward trajectory and taking the head coaching job at Rutgers is a giant step back for him. He wants a head coaching position however, he knows from first hand experience Rutgers is never going to be in a position to invest what is truly necessary to get the football program headed in the right direction.
Even if Rutgers decided to pay a top-flight coach $4-5 million/year, that is only the tip of the iceberg. The Athletic Department does not have the administrative resources (personnel or support) in place to support the program you’re all hoping for. The issues are financial, systemic and they run deep.
Even if Rutgers decided to pay a top-flight coach $4-5 million/year, that is only the tip of the iceberg. The Athletic Department does not have the administrative resources (personnel or support) in place to support the program you’re all hoping for. The issues are financial, systemic and they run deep.
Do the GS-haters have any idea how foolish they look here? It is ridiculous.
Hell, I want GS back now just to spite them... to make their heads explode and then we won't have to read their crap anymore. Oh wait.. it would just get worse, wouldn't it?
All may be true. If it is then we shouldn’t be in this conference and time to drop down a level.
Idon't know after all he did give up 3 this weekend! Now stop the obvious hating we all know your agenda.
No we wouldn’t win recruiting wars. I was referring to your assumption people would be excited for a few months. He couldn’t win recruiting wars against wanny and Pitt. Hell, with similar or better facilities to our peers I think Greg finished better than 3rd one time in recruiting against crappy big east schools. But now, oh now, we are gonna out recruit the big boys. Come on zap. I know you go through negative Phases and this is one of them. Let’s revisit this in 5 or 6 weeks.
Not to mention, you guys over estimate the relationship he has/had with local HS coaches.
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Sorry bud but giving up 55 to Iowa with his talent would be like us giving up 55 to Norfolk state. Go count how many times he’s given up 30 plus while at OSU. Then do the same for ash and his tenure. Someday you guys will understand it’s ok to criticize the man but still respect what he did here.
Well, we should either invest into this and try to win or not. Playing the cheap game and riding the fence is the worst option of all.
Where exactly is this magical P5 job that wants him be? You see the school actually has to want him as well.
I didn’t say there was a P5 looking for Greg. I’m saying he is not going to leave OSU to take a backward step. Greg is smart enough to know Rutgers isn’t going to get it done. At this stage of his career he isn’t interested in another rebuild. He wants to take over somewhere he can win.
First not your bud. Second admitting you hate (or strongly dislike) the man is your first step to recovery and ability to read a Schiano thread objectively. But you won't so have a nice season and bring a calculator to the games.
What would be considered a forward step? An established P5 school in the top 30? Certainly a G5 school wouldn't be considered a step forward would it? He was willing to take over Tennessee coming off a 4-8 record, I consider that a rebuild. They're not ready to win right now and are proving that after getting blown out by WVU. I'm just wondering what these limited steps up would be? If this is truly how he feels he might just be waiting a long, long time for that perfect opportunity.
Don’t hate or dislike the man. Have spoken to him many times. What have I said that is factually incorrect?
I consider a rebuild a program with a broken infrastructure, no support, and no history of winning and broken recruiting relationships.
I feel a Tennessee is a exactly what Greg would want. It’s a well established brand name, the facilities are the top tier, and the Athletic Department I university have money. He could turn Tennessee around in 2-3 years. Rutgers needs a lot of work before they’ll be competitive.
To me, any head coaching job in a P5 conference is a step up.
Greg is not Bud Foster, he has a giant ego and I’m sure being the boss is important to him.
I disagree with anyone who thinks the DC job at any school is above a head coaching position at any P 5 school.
Don’t you people understand no AD will take a chance on him regardless how much they may like him, the political fallout from Tennessee is to much to overcome.
Rutgers is the only chance he has to be the boss again.
He’ll be waiting his entire life for another HC job other than here because it ain’t happening
Greg is not Bud Foster, he has a giant ego and I’m sure being the boss is important to him.
I disagree with anyone who thinks the DC job at any school is above a head coaching position at any P 5 school.
Don’t you people understand no AD will take a chance on him regardless how much they may like him, the political fallout from Tennessee is to much to overcome.
Rutgers is the only chance he has to be the boss again.
He’ll be waiting his entire life for another HC job other than here because it ain’t happening
His teams were exciting to watch with anticipation for every game. During his time here the Big East had several teams that were in the top 25 at a time. The B1G had several boring years save for OSU and Michigan. Greg has seen and done a lot more since he was here. Older and wiser with a rep today's kids would respect.
Tennessee was not a rebuild, it has state of the art everything, tons of money, and a team loaded with 4 stars.
I’ll leave this argument with this:
Career head coaching record
68-67
In conference record of 28-48. Only 500 after his breakout year.
In 11 years he finished better than 4th 3 times. Only once after his breakout year.
11-21 NFL record
In two years at OSU he has given up 30 or more points 4 times including 55 to Iowa.
He turned us around. A top flight head coach he is not. Look, I wouldn’t cry if he came back but if he came back right after Flood the results would be the same to date.
Career head coaching record
68-67
In conference record of 28-48. Only 500 after his breakout year.
In 11 years he finished better than 4th 3 times. Only once after his breakout year.
11-21 NFL record
In two years at OSU he has given up 30 or more points 4 times including 55 to Iowa.
He turned us around. A top flight head coach he is not. Look, I wouldn’t cry if he came back but if he came back right after Flood the results would be the same to date.
Sorry guys, but @vkj91 wins this thread. It's not even close.
Clearly you missed the Sanu Wildcat and Jabu Lovelace years. This tendency to inflate the past is why too many posters remember the Schiano era as being better than it was.
the mess we have now is because of three classes of bottom 3 ranking in B10 of recruiting classes.The line recruiting is Mac level,at best.
we have a never been HC now who has three losses to OSU by a 163 to 3 margin,three times over 50pt beat downs,and thats improvement??
Ash posts a loss to kansas and Buffalo then Hobbs needs to have serious considerations of replacing Ash. Losing to Kansas alone will show there is zero progress..
wake me up when Ash ever beats a ranked team,takes RU to a bowl game,wins a bowl game,has RU ranked.. Lets see if Ash can beat Kansas and mighty Buffalo.
Doubtful he will ever achieve any of those benchmarks at RU. It starts with recruiting and Ash is not a good recruiting HC,nor is he a closer.
So that settles it because you weighed in
I don't really give a f*ck whether anyone thinks it's "settled" or not. Clearly it's a religious issue and nobody's mind is going to be changed. So do not for second think that I'm actually trying to do that.
The guy was a solid program builder, a moderately above average recruiter and a piss-poor game day coach.
We don't need a program builder. We need a great recruiter and a very good game day coach.
Incidentally... I notice that the hard-core Garyphiles are, for the most part, the same as the hard-core Trumpers.
Some people are enamored of demagoguery.
Not at all. Don't even care, really. This team will never be good, in either of our lifetimes. The rest is window dressing and bored people throwing their 2 cents around.
I know reading and not trolling aren't strengths of yours, but I specifically said I'm not upset with Ash about yesterday not expecting to beat tOSU at this time.
But shrieking about Schiano is laughable. He's lost, what, one-two games a year as DC?
Want to play the comparison game, let us know when Michigan scores 78 on tOSU...or anyone...
It's really fascinating how the people who cry that GS gave up 55 points in a season where as DC he lost one game, can't pick cherries like the fact that we beat out tOSU for Anthony Davis and the Cult for countless players while in the BE with GS at the helm. Meanwhile these days other than perhaps Maryland which is a program in severe disarray we're not beating out conference foes on the recruiting trail with any kind of regularity.