Greg Brown announcing tomorrow

BBUK_anon

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EJ’s dad played a giant role in him leaving his dad and mother wanted a paycheck and didn’t want EJ to be in college another year

Sad, real sad but that is probably it. What may happen though is EJ gets some kind of paying gig and suddenly finds himself a chick then...........bye mom, bye dad...
 
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sluggercatfan

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That’s the conundrum. My only guess, and of course it’s not perfect, is to come up with a recruiting pitch or strategy that doesn’t involve getting players to the NBA ASAP. But then the top guys won’t want to come. Who freakin knows man
The horses are already out of the barn...the we are cbb, gold standard, moving the needle bs is gone. Only answer is to return to getting the best of the best.
 

notFromhere

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You've been here for a few months.

You have no idea what you're writing about.

I was on these boards when they started. You don't know sht about me. I've seen your bs about paying players and it's still against the rules. Why you're still here with all of that bs is amazing. You and people like you thought they were bigger than UK football and nearly got the program in trouble a little less than 20 yrs ago.

No one who IS a fan would be spewing this crap.

When and if they allow players to be paid, we should continue to honor the rules regardless of what others do to break them.
 

notFromhere

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College basketball coming apart at the seams was inevitable and has been coming for a long time. Of the major college sports, Basketball is the one that, at the elite level anyway, has nothing, nothing to do with academics or amateurism any more.

Trying to rationalize, reason, or apply logic to all this stuff is silly, a fools errand.

Why does Calipari recruit the best players available? Because he can. At least until recently. Everyone else tries to or would if they could. He's been riding the OAD wave, that he saw and embraced before anyone else, and now the wave is running out of steam, coming apart - which, again was inevitable.

Things not making sense any more in this evolving and chaotic environment shouldn't be surprising given the shaky ground its built on and all the entities involved. Kids making seemingly stupid decisions. Cal not getting every player nowadays. That isn't his fault. It's the accelerating breakdown of the charade that is elite level college basketball.

The days of the NCAA and schools controlling it and squeezing all the $ out of it are about over. The new model is forming and there's no telling how it will shake out given the forces in play.

IMO it's best to appreciate the ride we've had and will continue to have (relative to everyone else) and trust or hope Cal will figure out the best way to navigate through this mess.

I love UK Basketball. Love watching and following it. But for years now I've been realistic about what the product really is.

The only thing I disagree with is that I don't think "the ride" will continue once paying players really begins. Those with the biggest base of support and viewership will gain the upper hand because of higher revenue, and it's an area in which we just can't keep up.

If you meant enjoy that ride while it lasts, then yes, I agree 100% . Eventually we will have to win by coaching up players to beat the teams that can buy them (again). If there is even a need for CBB, or enough talent on that level to have a decent product for which to sell advertising.
 

notFromhere

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all players want to go one and done it’s not UK, the guys who come back at other programs aren’t on the draft boards but if they were they’d be gone. that’s why i always laugh when people say “but villanova and virginia get guys back!” but then when you go and look at their draft projections for those years it’s nearly always undrafted or late second round/G league. the only answer to this is the NBA has got to abolish the one and done rule and allow the best players to jump from high school or implement a college football rule of going to school for 3 years before entering the draft.

Exactly.

Will the players association allow it? They're the ones that forced that rule into place and to remain in place.
 
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And thats a bad thing? Allen was 22nd pick....Bamba the 6th. Allen is in his third year, and Nets picked up his 4th. Meaning he's more than likely in line for a nice, SECOND contract. Bamba was set to make $6million this year....Was starting to figure things out, before his injury.. Bamba's only year at UT, they played in the NCAAT. Allen was on a bad, bad TX team.
Yeah, college wise it's a bad thing. They could have been drafted that high or higher going anywhere. Why not enjoy college? Bamba might have played in 1 NCAA Tourney game, but I don't have to look up if they won because I know Shaka hasn't won a single NCAA Tourney game in his time at Texas. What about 5-6 years.
 

bbnkat02

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Our current problem is that we're the only "gold standard" that doesn't use our own access to unlimited gold in the form of Nike and legions of boosters who actually care.

Until we open up the vault and stop caring about hanging ethics banners, we're going to continue to see limitations in our recruiting machine. It will always be outstanding, but it could become legendary with a few incentive-based tweaks here and there.

I like you Saul. But openly condoning “cheating” is awful. Never sell out your ethics for success, even if it is really tempting. I did that on a computer game once. Couldn’t beat a level so I used cheats and mods. Yeah, I still celebrated when I beat it, but did it ever feel cheap and underserved. That was jus 13 yr old me on a game, I can’t imagine doing that to a CBB program and feeling good.

Ethics are everything
 

Son_Of_Saul

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I was on these boards when they started. You don't know sht about me. I've seen your bs about paying players and it's still against the rules. Why you're still here with all of that bs is amazing. You and people like you thought they were bigger than UK football and nearly got the program in trouble a little less than 20 yrs ago.

No one who IS a fan would be spewing this crap.

When and if they allow players to be paid, we should continue to honor the rules regardless of what others do to break them.

 

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Note going to quote people to debate, people take it way too personal. And if you read my comment and think it is directed at you, it is not.

How I would recruit : I would recruit in order of best players who want to be at UK. then my promise would be this, "I will teach each individual player to be the best player / person they can be, on and off the court. I will not promise you any guarantees of anything. If you are a freshman and are the best player at your position, you will start and play minutes as the game flow dictates. If you are a sophomore and the best player at your position, same thing, JR, SR. Whatever. In short, nothing will be promised and playing time will be based on who is the best at their position and personal conduct. I do not care if you are a can't miss 8 star freshman, if a 2 star JR is better than you, he will play."

I would recruit the very best players if they are all 5 stars, so be it. But,no matter your grade, back ground, or star level, the best players will start and get the most minutes. Let kids know coming in, After your 1st year, if you are not where you want to be, that is ok, we will keep working until you get there. None of this Fast track, 1 year deal. Instead of promises of getting there fast, just promise that they will get there. Use 5-7 rides for the elite, but use ALL rides, even if it means signing some lower 4 stars, or GASP, 3 stars. Just make sure they are the right kids and understand. Tay Hollingswoth is a prime example. 3 star kid, going to be a JR / SR at WKU. he was fine being a multi year guy, same with Stephon Pettigrew. The key is make sure the kids are the Tays and Stephons, and not the Ky KY and other type kids with fathers who live their dreams thru their son.
 
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kl40504_rivals

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That’s the conundrum. My only guess, and of course it’s not perfect, is to come up with a recruiting pitch or strategy that doesn’t involve getting players to the NBA ASAP. But then the top guys won’t want to come. Who freakin knows man
I like your plan. Oh, what is your plan?
 

IUfanBorden

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Yeah, college wise it's a bad thing. They could have been drafted that high or higher going anywhere. Why not enjoy college? Bamba might have played in 1 NCAA Tourney game, but I don't have to look up if they won because I know Shaka hasn't won a single NCAA Tourney game in his time at Texas. What about 5-6 years.
How do you know they didn't? As fans we always think our school is the best. But what we don't understand, is that those kids aren't fans, like we are. They are kids. Looking to find what they feel is best for them. Maybe for some it ain't about winning----its about being comfortable. Maybe for those 2 kids, Texas was that place.
 
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How do you know they didn't? As fans we always think our school is the best. But what we don't understand, is that those kids aren't fans, like we are. They are kids. Looking to find what they feel is best for them. Maybe for some it ain't about winning----its about being comfortable. Maybe for those 2 kids, Texas was that place.

Where's CC?
 
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How do you know they didn't? As fans we always think our school is the best. But what we don't understand, is that those kids aren't fans, like we are. They are kids. Looking to find what they feel is best for them. Maybe for some it ain't about winning----its about being comfortable. Maybe for those 2 kids, Texas was that place.
Well, here's what I can tell you. I do know that most of these kids that are elite still do care about winning. So I have to imagine it's not fun for them when they listen to Shaka and go to Texas and the losses start stacking up and there's no run in the Tourney. Truth is I don't know for sure, but either do you. All I know is Shaka has had 5-6 years in Texas and not won a single NCAA game. I'm not sure if you are a Shaka fan or something, but they have sucked and lost a lot of games since he has been there. Every year it's a fight just to see if they can make the Tourney and they have had some really good talent.
 

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I heard iu wants him back badly... iu needs a banner in the worst way. CC'd hang a banner for you quickly.
If you wanna troll, go here:

Hoosier.com

I don't come here trolling, stirring ****. I talk hoops. Not interested in this type of BS. So if thats all you got, just skip my post.

Have a good day.
 

IUfanBorden

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Well, here's what I can tell you. I do know that most of these kids that are elite still do care about winning. So I have to imagine it's not fun for them when they listen to Shaka and go to Texas and the losses start stacking up and there's no run in the Tourney. Truth is I don't know for sure, but either do you. All I know is Shaka has had 5-6 years in Texas and not won a single NCAA game. I'm not sure if you are a Shaka fan or something, but they have sucked and lost a lot of games since he has been there. Every year it's a fight just to see if they can make the Tourney and they have had some really good talent.
What makes you think I'm a Shaka fan? I'm just giving a reason(s) why kids may choose a Texas. Maybe they connect with guys like Shaka b/cof his youth....Maybe his style. WHo knows. Maybe his wife makes great meatloaf? I dunno. Its different for every kid. When I was being recruited for baseball, there were two schools that I absolutely loved. Their tradition was nowhere near what some of the other schools had. But as my parents told me---"Keep in mind---this is a place you'll be at for 4 years, son. Can you play for this guy or that guy, for that long." Not to mention other aspects, i.e. academics, playing time, where I would play, etc, etc...Look, I love winning. CAN NOT stand to lose. But TBH, at the end, that played a very small role.

PLus, I was a competitior...Felt we/I could win, no matter where I went. I wanted to be that guy. The guy that got it started.

Like I said, some folks are wired different. More than just one piece when making a decision.
 

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If you wanna troll, go here:

Hoosier.com

I don't come here trolling, stirring ****. I talk hoops. Not interested in this type of BS. So if thats all you got, just skip my post.

Have a good day.

Playing or I'd of called you a dufus. I think I'll stay here. Have to save disinfectant...
 
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