Greg Brown announcing tomorrow
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longhorns are gonna suck as always.
....and it's the best part of our fanbase. Fk the trolls that abuse it. That sht comes around. I'd rather see our fans be responsive and obsessive about basketball than not make the needle move at all.
Fk perception. People need to stop being worried about being optimistic because of what everybody thinks or might think. If you havent got the guts to be optimistic, go troll another team
The confusion lies with you. You recruit the best. It's that simple. There's not a school in the country that don't try and recruit the best. Cal's not doing anything different. It's just Cal is better at it. And there will be times when the planets align and we have great years and there will be times when we don't. We're still doing it better than everyone else.
This ain't the Stepford Wives, southvillecat. This is real life. You can live in the dream, but the reality is far far different than you imagine.
Kids change their minds, they get bad advice, they have a good year and can get paid quicker sometimes, and other times someone beats them out for a starting role. You can't stop recruiting because you have someone on the roster that needs coddling. You can't keep saying "recruited over" and it will one day magically be a real concept.
You get the best available period. If you have someone on the roster that sees it as "being recruited over" then you don't really have that player. They're gone at the first hardship, like we saw midseason this year.
I'm sorry, did I put you in quotes? I said 2 star as an example. Last time I checked, our 4 stars are leaving for the pros as well. So I am asking you who would you recruit to get multiple year players?
if everyone wants UK to get the guys to stick around 3/4 years and not recruit over them, the answer is simple. Recruit like we did before Cal got here. Keep in mind, for every 1 good / great year, you get 2/3 meh or less than stellar years. Is it worth it to YOU ? Keep in mind, you still have to recruit the right concoction of good talent and hope they improve enough to get that good / great year. Just like you have to do recruiting elites guys and hope they are as advertised. Me, I like the elite guys and having a shot EVERY year, and some years have a mixture of the elites and a couple hold overs.
just another in a long list of “THEY LEEV SO EERLY WHY CANT CAWL GET EM TO STAY” without providing solutions to fix it
Our current problem is that we're the only "gold standard" that doesn't use our own access to unlimited gold in the form of Nike and legions of boosters who actually care.
Until we open up the vault and stop caring about hanging ethics banners, we're going to continue to see limitations in our recruiting machine. It will always be outstanding, but it could become legendary with a few incentive-based tweaks here and there.
Until we open up the vault and stop caring about hanging ethics banners, we're going to continue to see limitations in our recruiting machine. It will always be outstanding, but it could become legendary with a few incentive-based tweaks here and there.
What do you mean by this? Are you saying UK trying to get Kepnang? I've missed that somehow. Thanks
Was typing while you posted that. Agreed on all counts
I absolutely believe he sells them on getting to the NBA as fast as possible. Regardless, the 45th ranked player comes here because of Kentucky’s reputation of sending players to the NBA, whether Cals says it or not. When it don’t happen, a lot of times, they leave.
Let's be abundantly clear: the statement I was opposing was the idea that "Cal should promise not to recruit over players".
So to honestly engage in this debate with me, you need to defend some version of that.
Which of the following things are you proposing?
a. Stop recruiting for that slot until a kid leaves
b. Only recruit 4 stars after you've recruited a 4 star for a certain slot, meaning you will only have 4 stars forever at that slot
c. Guarantee upperclassmen a starting spot over a freshman no matter how poorly they perform
d. ?
Not sure how else you'd do it, but I'd love to hear a cohesive, defensible concept around "not recruiting over" players.
As for me, I'd say exactly what Cal says - "I won't guarantee you anything, but I've had starters who were freshmen up to seniors who have been huge contributors. If you want it bad enough, you can earn that spot."
You know how I know that's what he says? Because that's what 100% of the kids say that Cal says. And they all claim that they love to hear that. Problem is, when they get beat, the sour grapes come out for some, who take their ball and go home.
It's not ideal, but again, unless you're a Yale law grad or something, I don't successfully see you defending what you appear to be defending here. You can't run a program where you guarantee everyone's spots. The obvious consequences would be disastrous and fans would riot.
Why would any solution from me matter? Lol I don’t make millions of dollars to figure it out. And I have given some solutions but hell, I don’t know. I’m just on a message board bullshitting about it with other fans. All I know is it can get better. Do you not want the best for Kentucky basketball?
I agree with 100% of this.
But I know he's not telling the 45th kid that he's a one year lock. I guess the question is do you think there is anything that Cal can do to change that delusion. He has sometimes, but in some cases (particularly when the family thinks they know best) I believe it's impossible.
That’s Cal’s multimillion dollar job to figure out. I’m just a nobody on the internet trying to make sense of things
We all knew you were a nobody when it comes to basketball knowledge. You have proved that over and over.
Agree with most if this, but can you imagine the glee the NCAACC would have to be able to punish UK into oblivion catching them cheating like U6 pUKe, uncheat, Auburn,lsu, etc.
I actually don't think the NCAA gives a crap about Cal or UK anymore. Some individual refs hate him, and I think there was a time that the NCAA didn't want freshmen to be the face of college basketball. But that changed in 2015 when K won it all with three freshmen starters. It suddenly became acceptable.
Now I think we could provide incentives to recruits and the NCAA wouldn't care unless it was blatant.
It's why most of these kids come to UK these days. It's just an upbeat aau basketball setup.
Let Cal start doing what these other programs are doing and you'll find out real quick.
Lol here come the dumbest clown on the board to put his worthless two cents in
then what do we do? you either get the 5 star guys who dream of playing in the NBA or, you get the 3 star and 2 star players who make take 3-4 years to be something and have less than stellar seasons for one potentially good season. you can’t have it both ways.
That’s the conundrum. My only guess, and of course it’s not perfect, is to come up with a recruiting pitch or strategy that doesn’t involve getting players to the NBA ASAP. But then the top guys won’t want to come. Who freakin knows man
My Wife could teach you a thing or two about creative Don Rickles caliber insulting.
all players want to go one and done it’s not UK, the guys who come back at other programs aren’t on the draft boards but if they were they’d be gone. that’s why i always laugh when people say “but villanova and virginia get guys back!” but then when you go and look at their draft projections for those years it’s nearly always undrafted or late second round/G league. the only answer to this is the NBA has got to abolish the one and done rule and allow the best players to jump from high school or implement a college football rule of going to school for 3 years before entering the draft.
College basketball coming apart at the seams was inevitable and has been coming for a long time. Of the major college sports, Basketball is the one that, at the elite level anyway, has nothing, nothing to do with academics or amateurism any more.
Trying to rationalize, reason, or apply logic to all this stuff is silly, a fools errand.
Why does Calipari recruit the best players available? Because he can. At least until recently. Everyone else tries to or would if they could. He's been riding the OAD wave, that he saw and embraced before anyone else, and now the wave is running out of steam, coming apart - which, again was inevitable.
Things not making sense any more in this evolving and chaotic environment shouldn't be surprising given the shaky ground its built on and all the entities involved. Kids making seemingly stupid decisions. Cal not getting every player nowadays. That isn't his fault. It's the accelerating breakdown of the charade that is elite level college basketball.
The days of the NCAA and schools controlling it and squeezing all the $ out of it are about over. The new model is forming and there's no telling how it will shake out given the forces in play.
IMO it's best to appreciate the ride we've had and will continue to have (relative to everyone else) and trust or hope Cal will figure out the best way to navigate through this mess.
I love UK Basketball. Love watching and following it. But for years now I've been realistic about what the product really is.
Trying to rationalize, reason, or apply logic to all this stuff is silly, a fools errand.
Why does Calipari recruit the best players available? Because he can. At least until recently. Everyone else tries to or would if they could. He's been riding the OAD wave, that he saw and embraced before anyone else, and now the wave is running out of steam, coming apart - which, again was inevitable.
Things not making sense any more in this evolving and chaotic environment shouldn't be surprising given the shaky ground its built on and all the entities involved. Kids making seemingly stupid decisions. Cal not getting every player nowadays. That isn't his fault. It's the accelerating breakdown of the charade that is elite level college basketball.
The days of the NCAA and schools controlling it and squeezing all the $ out of it are about over. The new model is forming and there's no telling how it will shake out given the forces in play.
IMO it's best to appreciate the ride we've had and will continue to have (relative to everyone else) and trust or hope Cal will figure out the best way to navigate through this mess.
I love UK Basketball. Love watching and following it. But for years now I've been realistic about what the product really is.
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I think those same guys from those teams would leave if they were at Kentucky. We’ve had it happen. Last I heard EJ wasn’t projected to get drafted
EJ’s dad played a giant role in him leaving his dad and mother wanted a paycheck and didn’t want EJ to be in college another year