Grayson as always ready to go to work!

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Awesome read! I know Grayson will put in the work it takes to thrive at the next level! Rooting for him! Hope he kicks *** at the next level.
 

Mac9192

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I like him in Utah. Hopefully it will be a good fit.
Did anyone notice his quote about liking the way they play the game? Says they play the game the right way, pass up a good shot for a better one, and the ball doesn't get stuck in one person's hands.
Notice he didn't say Utah plays like he's used to playing at Duke. This was another interesting take. So many little weird comments have been made since our season ended, and I'm not talking about just this message board.
 

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I like him in Utah. Hopefully it will be a good fit.
Did anyone notice his quote about liking the way they play the game? Says they play the game the right way, pass up a good shot for a better one, and the ball doesn't get stuck in one person's hands.
Notice he didn't say Utah plays like he's used to playing at Duke. This was another interesting take. So many little weird comments have been made since our season ended, and I'm not talking about just this message board.
Oh boy. You really think that means something? He needed to say that or else it means that he didn't like the way duke played?

We have no idea if that was even the full quote and not edited down. Quite a reach there
 

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Oh boy. You really think that means something? He needed to say that or else it means that he didn't like the way duke played?

We have no idea if that was even the full quote and not edited down. Quite a reach there
Maybe it is a reach. But one thing that is true is we didn't play that way this season. Just another comment that's been made by either a parent or player from this past team.

Grayson didn't say they play like we do at Duke. It's also because that's not how Duke played.
 

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They must be the only team in the NBA that does this. A lot of ball hogging in the NBA. Ask James Hardin.
 

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I like him in Utah. Hopefully it will be a good fit.
Did anyone notice his quote about liking the way they play the game? Says they play the game the right way, pass up a good shot for a better one, and the ball doesn't get stuck in one person's hands.
Notice he didn't say Utah plays like he's used to playing at Duke. This was another interesting take. So many little weird comments have been made since our season ended, and I'm not talking about just this message board.

I'm likewise thrilled he's with Utah and playing for Quin Snyder! Think it will be an excellent fit. I did think the comment cast a little shade on the style at Duke this past year using MB III as a reference point. (without naming him of course).

Now that you mention it we have had our share of interesting comments emerge since season's end. Makes you wonder about the big picture behind the scenes.

OFC
 

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It amazes me how well Quinn has done after his stretch at Mizzou was all but a train wreck.

Very happy for him, I am sure he just had some growing up to do... As most of us tend to need.
 
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Maybe it is no more than a simple gesture made by Allen. But it should at least be considered, especially when there's been already a few things spoken about the team to the press.
What would be nice is for some to take their goggles off. I'm surprised some of you can even find the light switch in the room.
Duke, for as much as we all love them, is far from perfect, and it's not the same program that many have pulled for for decades. I realize you adapt, but we aren't the choir boy school while everyone else lies and cheats.
One of my favorite lines is our fans talking about how hard it is to win a title, but yet Calipari is a choke artist because he's only won one, or how sleazy he is. Yet nothing can be wrong with how Duke does things.
Bagley went to how many high schools, 3,4? His dad has some weird ties to Nike. Financial problems years ago, file for bankruptcy, yet they live in a neighborhood where homes start out at $750,000. Wow. Decided to reclass fairly late, has to take an online course. Then makes All Academic, while the kid who could have gotten into an Ivy league school didn't? We would be raising you know what had the situation been different and he gone to play for Cal.

But hey, Bagley was the #2 pick in the draft. That's what's really important.
 
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That's what I'm talking about. One of you post a lol response, while another says I need another team to pull for.
Honesty fellas. Just because you don't want to think that Duke could do anything wrong, doesn't mean it's not happening.
I still love Duke, but I've had to come to the realization that the only thing different between Duke, Kentucky, and Carolina fans is the color of the jersey and the name on the front.
The pride with the floor slap, all those traditions we've come to love from Duke are for the most part gone. I accept it. Sounds like some of you don't.
 

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Maybe it is no more than a simple gesture made by Allen. But it should at least be considered, especially when there's been already a few things spoken about the team to the press.
What would be nice is for some to take their goggles off. I'm surprised some of you can even find the light switch in the room.
Duke, for as much as we all love them, is far from perfect, and it's not the same program that many have pulled for for decades. I realize you adapt, but we aren't the choir boy school while everyone else lies and cheats.
One of my favorite lines is our fans talking about how hard it is to win a title, but yet Calipari is a choke artist because he's only won one, or how sleazy he is. Yet nothing can be wrong with how Duke does things.
Bagley went to how many high schools, 3,4? His dad has some weird ties to Nike. Financial problems years ago, file for bankruptcy, yet they live in a neighborhood where homes start out at $750,000. Wow. Decided to reclass fairly late, has to take an online course. Then makes All Academic, while the kid who could have gotten into an Ivy league school didn't? We would be raising you know what had the situation been different and he gone to play for Cal.

But hey, Bagley was the #2 pick in the draft. That's what's really important.

I mean...maybe...no I can’t see it. My goggles are too foggy. I think you have Mo Bamba’s wingspan with that reach.

And it doesn’t help when instead of just disagreeing with people, you call them out as homers who are unable to have any other thought. Just my .02.
 
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Maybe it is no more than a simple gesture made by Allen. But it should at least be considered, especially when there's been already a few things spoken about the team to the press.
What would be nice is for some to take their goggles off. I'm surprised some of you can even find the light switch in the room.
Duke, for as much as we all love them, is far from perfect, and it's not the same program that many have pulled for for decades. I realize you adapt, but we aren't the choir boy school while everyone else lies and cheats.
One of my favorite lines is our fans talking about how hard it is to win a title, but yet Calipari is a choke artist because he's only won one, or how sleazy he is. Yet nothing can be wrong with how Duke does things.
Bagley went to how many high schools, 3,4? His dad has some weird ties to Nike. Financial problems years ago, file for bankruptcy, yet they live in a neighborhood where homes start out at $750,000. Wow. Decided to reclass fairly late, has to take an online course. Then makes All Academic, while the kid who could have gotten into an Ivy league school didn't? We would be raising you know what had the situation been different and he gone to play for Cal.

But hey, Bagley was the #2 pick in the draft. That's what's really important.

I think his comments per the ball movement should be considered though, since he DID NOT reference thats the way we moved the ball at Duke. I really think Grayson's shooting suffered partly because as Captain he felt added pressure to make sure the offense centered primarily around 1 player last season.

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Mac9192

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But if Bagley played for Cal, it would have been different, huh? You and some others won't even admit that.
 

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But if Bagley played for Cal, it would have been different, huh? You and some others won't even admit that.
what the hell are you even talking about? This is a thread about Grayson and his fit with Utah and somehow you’re trying to turn this into a bitchfest about sunshine pumpers for duke and Bagley can do no wrong. And you want to know why we have a problem on this board? Give it a rest dude.
 

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That's what I'm talking about. One of you post a lol response, while another says I need another team to pull for.
Honesty fellas. Just because you don't want to think that Duke could do anything wrong, doesn't mean it's not happening.
I still love Duke, but I've had to come to the realization that the only thing different between Duke, Kentucky, and Carolina fans is the color of the jersey and the name on the front.
The pride with the floor slap, all those traditions we've come to love from Duke are for the most part gone. I accept it. Sounds like some of you don't.


Some yearn for the Josh Hairston, Tyler Thornton days.
 

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Just as an FYI

what the hell are you even talking about? This is a thread about Grayson and his fit with Utah and somehow you’re trying to turn this into a bitchfest about sunshine pumpers for duke and Bagley can do no wrong. And you want to know why we have a problem on this board? Give it a rest dude.
Ok I will. It spins to another when Allen's comments are dismissed. So more things are brought to attention. It's obvious you don't like hearing any negativity about Duke. Heck, I for years thought Duke did no wrong, and the Holes were the evil empire. All I'm saying is Duke isn't the perfect school some of you like to think, and the last couple seasons should be strong indicators. But it's f-n blasphemy to suggest Duke has done anything questionable, or any comments made possibly are tied into our team we just had.
 

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Just as an FYI

what the hell are you even talking about? And you want to know why we have a problem on this board? Give it a rest dude.

See thats the attitude which permeates the board: "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." Is one not even allowed to raise potential thorny issues that perhaps existed to maintain a purely positive perspective? Sorry, thats just wrong.

OFC
 
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Maybe it is no more than a simple gesture made by Allen. But it should at least be considered, especially when there's been already a few things spoken about the team to the press.
What would be nice is for some to take their goggles off. I'm surprised some of you can even find the light switch in the room.
Duke, for as much as we all love them, is far from perfect, and it's not the same program that many have pulled for for decades. I realize you adapt, but we aren't the choir boy school while everyone else lies and cheats.
One of my favorite lines is our fans talking about how hard it is to win a title, but yet Calipari is a choke artist because he's only won one, or how sleazy he is. Yet nothing can be wrong with how Duke does things.
Bagley went to how many high schools, 3,4? His dad has some weird ties to Nike. Financial problems years ago, file for bankruptcy, yet they live in a neighborhood where homes start out at $750,000. Wow. Decided to reclass fairly late, has to take an online course. Then makes All Academic, while the kid who could have gotten into an Ivy league school didn't? We would be raising you know what had the situation been different and he gone to play for Cal.

But hey, Bagley was the #2 pick in the draft. That's what's really important.
Lol wow.
 
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Duke players still slap the floor on defense. I know for a fact the past two teams have had instances where they slap the floor on defense. As far as Bagley is concerned, if he had gone to Unc, Kansas, Kentucky, it wouldn’t have mattered, I wouldn’t have claimed they were cheating if there were no facts to back up such a claim. Such as there are no facts to back up a claim that Duke got Bagley with any cheating. It’s a reach to think G is bashing Duke, the kid loves Duke more than any of the posters on here.
 

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See thats the attitude which permeates the board: "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." Is one not even allowed to raise potential thorny issues that perhaps existed to maintain a purely positive perspective? Sorry, thats just wrong.

OFC

There would be potential i it was actually a problem at Duke with ball movement. Duke’s offense, especially ball movement, hasn’t been an issue. Averaging over 83 ppg since 2011 will speak to that. We ***** and moan about lack of point guards, but scoring isn’t our problem. If in that interview, Grayson said “I’m looking forward to actually learning how to play defense, because that cost us big time in 3 of my 4 four seasons,” I’d actually agree.

But as an observer, it seems more likely that he’s speaking about the isolation style of the NBA vs. the ball movement teams.

I get what you and @Mac9192 are trying to do. And you both are right, K and Duke make mistakes, plenty of them. I don’t think anyone being optimistic disagrees with that.

But I also think posts like the ones you guys made on here are more of you trying to push that agenda moreso than just allowing for positive discourse. Of course if you start calling people out for blind homerism it’s going to cause a ruckus, and vice versa. I think all of us need to take one step back and just chill and treat each other a little better in this board. That will go a long way in how easy it becomes to communicate on here. We actually have some typically good discussions, then it usually takes about 15 posts before they get ugly.

Let’s just be cool about this stuff.
 

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There would be potential i it was actually a problem at Duke with ball movement. Duke’s offense, especially ball movement, hasn’t been an issue. Averaging over 83 ppg since 2011 will speak to that. We ***** and moan about lack of point guards, but scoring isn’t our problem. If in that interview, Grayson said “I’m looking forward to actually learning how to play defense, because that cost us big time in 3 of my 4 four seasons,” I’d actually agree.

But as an observer, it seems more likely that he’s speaking about the isolation style of the NBA vs. the ball movement teams.

I get what you and @Mac9192 are trying to do. And you both are right, K and Duke make mistakes, plenty of them. I don’t think anyone being optimistic disagrees with that.

But I also think posts like the ones you guys made on here are more of you trying to push that agenda moreso than just allowing for positive discourse. Of course if you start calling people out for blind homerism it’s going to cause a ruckus, and vice versa. I think all of us need to take one step back and just chill and treat each other a little better in this board. That will go a long way in how easy it becomes to communicate on here. We actually have some typically good discussions, then it usually takes about 15 posts before they get ugly.

Let’s just be cool about this stuff.

Hey hokie you come in peace and I appreciate it. However I don't attack anyone in here(unless provoked),its merely my concerns and opinions about what I see as largely disappointing results of what I feel is underachievement over the last 2 seasons. Some will point to '17 and say injuries and thats a valid point. However the squad looked great and rose to the top in Brooklyn. The next week (even in the win vs Troy) we looked like a markedly different team.

Most pundits again had us penciled in at or near the top this past season, and again we fell short. Are we spoiled? Heck yeah, I still think we have the best brand and coach going and I will NEVER, EVER stop pulling for us in ALL SPORTS (I'm not one of those fans who just supports Duke basketball), but I cant hold back on some of the comments from my Blue Devil heart.

I am a little bit perplexed about your comments at the end of "just chill and treat each other a little better." Just for my info so I can grasp your idea a little better, is that a stop sign to any negative implications by posters?,I feel thats dangerous because it fosters a type of censorship on posters opinions. Now if its earmarked toward those who bully other posters, and consistently curse I understand. Just my two cents hokie, have a nice day, rant over.

OFC
 

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I've said it plenty that I don't think Bagley made Duke a better team. Yes, he was one of the most offensively talented guys in the country, and deserving of a top pick.
But there have been a lot said since the season ended, from Carter and mostly his mom, to Trent Sr before the draft, and it wasn't all pleasant. So Allen's comments made me think he took a little subtle jab at how Duke played this past season. Heck, some posters who aren't confrontational at all, have called Bagley a ball stopper.
So when you get laughed at for an unpopular view, I then call some homers, and I think we have a lot of Duke fans that think we just came up short this past season. I think there's underlying issues that caused it.
I don't just praise Duke, still love them, but honestly a lot has happened lately to make me see that this ain't the Duke program as it used to be.
 

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The whole concept of ball movement is great. I think it leads to people feeling more involved as a whole...more open shots...more 3s when people are realizing that value.

The issue is this isn’t a video game where you just switch tactics.

Duke played zone because their roster didn’t have time to pick up man-to-man principals as a unit. We have players who are in and out but are expected to be title contenders day 1.

K went with the simple solution...zone and play through your stars. That can be even more effective in college when the talent gap is bigger.

Duke is far from perfect...but K has adapted to the roster he’s had and what one and done players bring...good and bad
 

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Hey hokie you come in peace and I appreciate it. However I don't attack anyone in here(unless provoked),its merely my concerns and opinions about what I see as largely disappointing results of what I feel is underachievement over the last 2 seasons. Some will point to '17 and say injuries and thats a valid point. However the squad looked great and rose to the top in Brooklyn. The next week (even in the win vs Troy) we looked like a markedly different team.

Most pundits again had us penciled in at or near the top this past season, and again we fell short. Are we spoiled? Heck yeah, I still think we have the best brand and coach going and I will NEVER, EVER stop pulling for us in ALL SPORTS (I'm not one of those fans who just supports Duke basketball), but I cant hold back on some of the comments from my Blue Devil heart.

I am a little bit perplexed about your comments at the end of "just chill and treat each other a little better." Just for my info so I can grasp your idea a little better, is that a stop sign to any negative implications by posters?,I feel thats dangerous because it fosters a type of censorship on posters opinions. Now if its earmarked toward those who bully other posters, and consistently curse I understand. Just my two cents hokie, have a nice day, rant over.

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I don’t think anything I said was unclear. We treat each other like **** on this board at times. Bottom line. And yeah that’s to be expected on message boards, but the bait is taken way too often.

But come on man, where did I say stop making negative implications about the team? How does “let’s treat each other better,” turn into that? Just as a casual observer, maybe your stance of “Coach K is fallible” would garner a little more sway if you didn’t insert it into every damn conversation.

For the record, I said maybe our conversations would go better if we treated each other a little better. No where did I say to stop talking about something. No where.

And speaking from personal opinion only, not as a mod, not as a fan, beat your drum man, whatever makes you happy, but it gets old. It doesn’t make your opinion less true, but it just gets old to read.
 
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I don’t think anything I said was unclear. We treat each other like **** on this board at times. Bottom line. And yeah that’s to be expected on message boards, but the bait is taken way too often.

But come on man, where did I say stop making negative implications about the team? How does “let’s treat each other better,” turn into that? Just as a casual observer, maybe your stance of “Coach K is fallible” would garner a little more sway if you didn’t insert it into every damn conversation.

For the record, I said maybe our conversations would go better if we treated each other a little better. No where did I say to stop talking about something. No where.

And speaking from personal opinion only, not as a mod, not as a fan, beat your drum man, whatever makes you happy, but it gets old. It doesn’t make your opinion less true, but it just gets old to read.

Wow, I was just asking for some insight hokie. I certainly didnt mean to upset you. Peace out my friend, thanks for the very authoritative explanation....

OFC
 

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A thread started out, in what i thought, was to highlight our senior captains great fit in Utah, derailed. Just another derailed thread, becoming all too common.

Just a couple of points for everyone to keep in mind:
1. You’re free to have any opinion you’d like
2. Don’t be offended if your post or opinion is challenged.
3. Be courteous and respectful- obviously every situation is different but as a general rule of thumb.
4. Threads often take on a life of their own- that’s how it works- but try and keep them in the spirit the original poster who started the topic had intended.
5. Go Duke- just because you are positive doesn’t make you a sunshine pumper and dark blue shade wearing can’t see any wrong ever with Duke homer. Just because you challenge something that Duke or K/staff do, doesn’t make you overally negative nor does it make you some renegade, holier than thou poster who is the only person who can be objective.
 
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