GoT

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

True, but when introduced last season, it seemed like the Valyrian steel (it is, right?) sword would have a big role at some point.

I expected more reaction when Bran said "hey by the way, the army of the dead now features a dead dragon."

 

[Go Budaw]

Raises all those dead Starks (including Ned, Rickon & Jon's Mom Lyanna) to join his army of the dead it's going to be lit. Not exactly wise to stage your defense on top of a huge crypt when your enemy can raise the dead.

Man that would be so 17ed up. And probably will happen.

One thing is for sure, they have already set the stage for Team Living to get their asses kicked at the Battle of Winterfell with the whole allusion to the Iron Islands retreat strategy. There is very little doubt that is happening.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

The writers of the show said they use the spiral because it represents something every culture in the history of earth has used in its primitive artwork. Now, what that spiral represents to the whits I have no idea.

 

[muhstate]

I think the sword was just a device to make Dany realize who Sam’s family was.

After watching the Inside the Episode, the writers intended for Sam to be really set off when his brother was mentioned. Which he was, it was just subtle. That makes more sense. His brother wasn’t as big of a Dick (pun intended) as his father was.

My only other big problem was the dragon riding scene. Not one person, including Jon, Dany, Tyrion or Viserys is going to stop and say “holy ****, the dragon is actually letting him ride it - I thought only Targaeryans could do this!” Pretty much everyone knows this as fact, including Dany - and not a hint of realization from her. Instead it’s just used so Jon can take her to his secret smash pad. The writers in the Inside the Episode clearly meant for this to be the effect - but it fell woefully short - probably because they wanted the Sam scene to be the moment - but that ship sailed when he was piloting the dragon like Maverick after 2 minutes.

My problem with the whole dragon riding scene is that they wasted alot of money on a scene that was completely pointless ultimately imo

Take the money they spent on that and give us 20 more minutes of show.

 

[dogmatic]

I agree it was necessary. So many huge characters all showing up in the same place felt cheesy though - It's something JRRM would have used 2,000 pages to establish, instead of 54 minutes - but it had to be done and I understand why it couldn't have taken longer.

Still, the episode felt like one of the 70s TV tropes where they'd have the characters from two different series meet. The Brady Bunch Stranded on Gilligan's Island - that sort of thing.

 

[Forrest4Moore]

The actors are great, the special effects are phenomenal, but the screenplay was pathetic. I guess with the show writers not having exact books to go by, they're struggling with making sense of it all.

First, when Bran tells everyone the army of the dead now has a dragon, no one even blinks an eye. Everyone's like "Ok, Cool." And, if the dragon is as strong as they made him look in S7 finale, he's beyond anything Dany's current dragons can take.

2nd, Sansa is supposed to have become this brilliant tactician and leader thanks to years in Kings Landing and with Ramsay, yet she can't see that she needs Dany and her armies to save her people? Right. Don't build her up to be so smart, then make her look like an idiot. I'm afraid they're going to do the same with Arya, making her into this badass with no fear, and now they're going to make her weak in ways she's never shown an inclination to be.

3rd. Do we really think it's possible for Theon and 1 ship of 20 men to sneak into Blackwater Bay in front of 100s of ships, guessing the right ship that Yara is on, killing everyone in their way, getting Yara, and getting out of Blackwater Bay without ever being spotted? What in 7 hells?

4th. We're to believe the 2 most important people in the 7 kingdoms, Jon and Dany, are just going to take joyful dragon rides through the wilderness with the army of the dead on the march nearby? Pathetic.

Also, why am I mad online about this epic fantasy? I guess I grew to expect so much story and so few plot holes.

//end rant

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

Man that would be so 17ed up. And probably will happen.

One thing is for sure, they have already set the stage for Team Living to get their asses kicked at the Battle of Winterfell with the whole allusion to the Iron Islands retreat strategy. There is very little doubt that is happening.

In the main trailer for Season 8, Arya is running through the halls of Winterfell, terrified. Only thing I can imagine scaring her this much is her dead family members coming after her.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

Maybe the thing that makes Arya weak is falling for Gentry. I have no doubt he is about to tap that *** from the foundry scene.

Bran will forgive Jamie for pushing him out of the window because Bran is not Bran anymore. He may even thank him for taking away all the things, like titties and trim, that would have interfered with his future wogging.

 

[archdog]

Yeah, it’s gonna be impossible to please everyone, especially with a cast this big and so many popular characters.

Thought it was a good setup episode. The two scenes involving Sam were the highlight to me. I expect the next five weeks to be much more intense.

The show is still great but the highest points were in seasons 1-4 when it was more character driven and gave everything time to breathe. Seasons 5-7 were more cinematic and moved at a faster pace and I think that’s caused it to be a little up and down at times. Season 8 will likely be like recent seasons, the high points will be fantastic (Hardhome, Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter, Spoils of War) but you’ll also have an episode or two that feels a little unfulfilling like parts of seasons 5-7 were.

hmmm. 5 weeks, they are going to stretch this out to at least 9 weeks so they can get that extra month, man.

 

[archdog]

The actors are great, the special effects are phenomenal, but the screenplay was pathetic. I guess with the show writers not having exact books to go by, they're struggling with making sense of it all.

First, when Bran tells everyone the army of the dead now has a dragon, no one even blinks an eye. Everyone's like "Ok, Cool." And, if the dragon is as strong as they made him look in S7 finale, he's beyond anything Dany's current dragons can take.

2nd, Sansa is supposed to have become this brilliant tactician and leader thanks to years in Kings Landing and with Ramsay, yet she can't see that she needs Dany and her armies to save her people? Right. Don't build her up to be so smart, then make her look like an idiot. I'm afraid they're going to do the same with Arya, making her into this badass with no fear, and now they're going to make her weak in ways she's never shown an inclination to be.

3rd. Do we really think it's possible for Theon and 1 ship of 20 men to sneak into Blackwater Bay in front of 100s of ships, guessing the right ship that Yara is on, killing everyone in their way, getting Yara, and getting out of Blackwater Bay without ever being spotted? What in 7 hells?

4th. We're to believe the 2 most important people in the 7 kingdoms, Jon and Dany, are just going to take joyful dragon rides through the wilderness with the army of the dead on the march nearby? Pathetic.

Also, why am I mad online about this epic fantasy? I guess I grew to expect so much story and so few plot holes.

//end rant

Theon knew Yara was on Euron's ship "Silence". That is clear. I also believe they took Silence on the way out.

 

[archdog]

Also note that all the ship members on Silence are Mutes. Euron cuts their tongue out when he takes on new deck mates.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

So evidently GRRM said in an interview in the 90’s that 5 central characters survive to the end. Daney, Tyrion, Jon, Arya and Bran. I also have a friend who has convinced me that The Night King is a Stark and he is somehow Bran in the future. I would swap out Jamie for Bran any day. That’s just how much more of a likable guy he is. I guess a 17’er who sees everything before it comes is hard to kill.

 

[aTotal360]

See my post above...

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Yeah there’s a lot people who believe Bran is the Night King.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

This is a thread discussing GoT. Do you have anything to add other than Jamie changing his hair color?

 

[aTotal360]

Jaime **

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

Yeah there’s a lot people who believe Bran is the Night King.

Popular theory is Bran is looking back in time and somehow gets stuck in the Night King similar to what he did with Hodor. Some people also think that Bran the Builder is actually Bran taking over his ancestor when he knows how to create the Wall.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

So evidently GRRM said in an interview in the 90’s that 5 central characters survive to the end. Daney, Tyrion, Jon, Arya and Bran. I also have a friend who has convinced me that The Night King is a Stark and he is somehow Bran in the future. I would swap out Jamie for Bran any day. That’s just how much more of a likable guy he is. I guess a 17’er who sees everything before it comes is hard to kill.

Not sure I believe anything GRRM says now. I think he is kind of pissed that the show is stealing his thunder and now is trying to figure out a way to make the books different. I heard him say that the books would be different anyway because some people are alive in the books that are dead in the show. It will be interesting to see if he finishes the books and changes the ending even if it is just who is sitting on the Iron Throne at the end.

 

[Palos verdes]

Not many seem to like each other and alliances are shortlived. Everyone will turn against each other at one time or another before the end. No telling who survives.

 

[Seinfeld]

Until you posted this, I hadn’t realized that the final season was just 6 episodes. Damn, I’m going to be even more glued to each scene now

 

[fishwater99]

Popular theory is Bran is looking back in time and somehow gets stuck in the Night King similar to what he did with Hodor. Some people also think that Bran the Builder is actually Bran taking over his ancestor when he knows how to create the Wall.

Yes, Bran and the Knight King have an usual link...

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

I don't know. The Sam scenes threw me a little. Does he really care that much that his dickhead dad and brother got barbecued? They were awful to him. And he just brushes off that Jon also executed people. I get that he would be more loyal to Jon, but to cast that much doubt on Dany after meeting her for 2 minutes seemed off. Obviously, the only "happy" ending to this series would be Jon and Dany ruling together, but this is GOT and that's just not going to happen is it? And is everyone just supposed to take Sam and Bran's word for it that Jon is actually Aegon? Sam has a random maester's journal that doesnt even mention the child and Bran has, well whatever Bran has. The Lannisters sure won't accept it, the northerners just want him to stay and be king in the north. Hard to see how that plays out.

Apparently the major battle happens in Episode 3. Guess they will have 3 more episodes to sort all that out when it is done - and there might not be many people left at that point.

I think Sam cared for his brother because he seemed to be a good kid. In the books, it is more obvious that Dickon was a good person. That is why he said, well at least I can go back home now that my brother is in charge. I think that is also the reason that he turned on Dany at that point. He is right that Jon probably wouldn't have executed his brother at that point.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

I'm thinking the slow start just means it's going to ramp up next episode... i mean, there's a lot of stuff that needs to happen this season.

 

[ColoradoDawg]

Would Bronn kill Tyrion? I have a feeling like he going to think about, but will probably end up 17ing it up. Prediction - Bronn dies at the end of episode 2...

 

[WutheringDawg]

I’m lamenting the fact that we have probably two full episodes of battle in the final seven because that’s the least interesting part of the show.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

I'm hoping that all dead people and dragons are dead after the first big battle...

 

[FQDawg]

Not sure I believe anything GRRM says now. I think he is kind of pissed that the show is stealing his thunder...

Well who's fault is that?

As for the Bran/Night King theory, I hope that's not the case. It would be such lazy storytelling.

 

[WutheringDawg]

1. Bran sounds like a loon to everyone except Sam. Most cannot comprehend what he is saying and it was kind of thrown out at a weird time. Not that strange that the crowd is kind of brushing him off right now.

2. How is it out of character that Sansa would be mistrustful of the daughter of the mad king who tortured and murdered by dragon fire her grandfather and uncle?

3. Sometimes you gotta move the plot along.

4. I think it’s important for the people in winterfell to see Jon riding the dragon in order to make the Jon is a Targaryen connection. It also doesn’t matter how much it costs if they wanted to add a romantic dragon ride that cost didn’t come out of something else. It would just added on the top. Money doesn’t matter at this point in the project.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

Would Bronn kill Tyrion? I have a feeling like he going to think about, but will probably end up 17ing it up. Prediction - Bronn dies at the end of episode 2...

Remember this quote from Tyrion to Bronn way back in Season 1?
“And if the day ever comes where you're tempted to sell me out, remember this: Whatever the price, I'll beat it. I like living.”

I have a feeling that is going to come into play.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

Remember this quote from Tyrion to Bronn way back in Season 1?
“And if the day ever comes where you're tempted to sell me out, remember this: Whatever the price, I'll beat it. I like living.”

I have a feeling that is going to come into play.

I think it is just a convenient way of getting Bron to Winterfell. Now everyone but Cersei and Yara (escape route) are at Winterfell when the big White Walker battle is about to happen. He will get there and then realize that you can't spend money when you are dead and Jamie and Tyrion are going to help keep people alive.

 

[fishwater99]

Remember this quote from Tyrion to Bronn way back in Season 1?
“And if the day ever comes where you're tempted to sell me out, remember this: Whatever the price, I'll beat it. I like living.”

I have a feeling that is going to come into play.

Tyrion tells Bronn, “Remember my offer; whatever they’re paying you, I’ll pay double.”

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

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[fishwater99]

[FONT=&quot]What if the Night King is a Targaryen?

He would h[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]ave a claim to the throne, and presumably a really good one, considering he's much, much older than Jon or Dany. [/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Also, only Targaryens can ride dragons, and there's footage the Night King riding the reanimated dragon Viserion.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Notice the similarity in the the fire circle and the Targaryens sigel.
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[StillTbonewannabe]

What if the Night King is a Targaryen?

He would have a claim to the throne, and presumably a really good one, considering he's much, much older than Jon or Dany.
Also, only Targaryens can ride dragons, and there's footage the Night King riding the reanimated dragon Viserion.

Notice the similarity in the the fire circle and the Targaryens sigel.
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Never thought about the Targareyan angle. I think the Night King is supposed to be older than the Targareyan invasion into Westeros. He was created when the First Men and the Children of the Forest were fighting.

 

[Go Budaw]

That, and its just seems kind of ridiculous that the Night King / White Walkers in general would ever try to place a formal claim on anything. Through 7 seasons and one episode of season 8, none of them have even articulated a single verbal communication. Their whole MO is to simply kill everything in their path before converting those same people to their army. Its not like the Night King is just gonna stroll up to Cersei and be like “Hi, I’m such-and-such Targaryan from 800 years ago, the rightful king of Westeros”, or hand Sam a book from the Citadel and point to his lineage.

 

[Go Budaw]

Would Bronn kill Tyrion? I have a feeling like he going to think about, but will probably end up 17ing it up. Prediction - Bronn dies at the end of episode 2...

Bronn is one of my favorite of the minor running characters. I hope he doesn’t turn. He’s got deep roots with both Tyrion and Jamie, so it’s really hard to see him killing both of them.

 

[Seinfeld]

I'm gonna have to agree here. The theory about the Targaryen sigil is interesting, but I just don't see what purpose a big Targaryen reveal would serve. Either the white walkers wipe our humanity or they don't at this point, but there's not going to be a round table amongst leaders to discuss lineage.

On a related note, I'm really not certain why there are so many rumors about a big Night King reveal in the first place. To me, the writers already set the stage perfectly. The children of the forest created him to protect against humans, they lost control, and now he's got an army to wage war on everyone. I'm just not sure what more explanation the show needs to give

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

Yeah, i'm not sold on the Targaryan thing. Maybe he was a Targaryan, but I don't think that matters either way at this point.

 

[archdog]

You have to put everything in place before the action starts. Episode 3 is the battle episode so you’ve got to make it through another “boring” one.

Episode 2 is not going to be boring. You have the super fast preperations for the army of the dead attack. You get the WTF about Jamie showing up both spilling the beans about Cersei, the golden company, and then the Bran out the window thing, which I am sure is going to come up.

I mean, Jamie has some balls. He killed Dany's father. He ambushed Ned and stabbed him in the leg. He pushed Bran out the window. Bunch to discuss. Somehow our boy Bronn is going to get to Winterfel prior to the battle.

 

[WutheringDawg]

I’m confident (read: hopeful) that the Night King and his army will fall with a good chinch of season remaining. He’s the boogie man, but not the real evil of the story. The human element is so much more compelling and I think the show would be much better served to spend time in a “post-winter” Westeros to see how that would play out. It would be pretty dissatisfying if the last shot is dragon glass to the heart of the night king, he explodes into a million pieces of sand and we fade to black.