Goodbye to standard time
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It's 2026. We have electric lights now.
In 2026, it's stupid and pointless to be constantly moving clocks back and forth. We faired just fine for eons without clocks or some government clown telling us what time it should be. We went by (gasp) the sun. 
“early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.
Not a myth, but a proverb and still true today.
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When do you go to bed and wake up every night? How healthy are you? What is your height, weight, BP, age. Are you on any medications? Let’s just go ahead and use facts and see if you can prove your point.
I don't have a strong take on keeping it vs getting rid of it but we're not constantly moving clocks back and forth. It's twice a year. Twice isn't constantly. I understand a majority probably think it's silly to continue doing it but to say we constantly do it is quite the stretch. Twice a year I switch 2 or 3 clocks. It takes maybe 20 seconds. No one is constantly running around switching clocks back and forth all the time unless it's by your own choosing.
Seems like there’s always some stodgy conservative southern senator determined to block sensible change like this. This time it’s Tom Cotton.
For all the excuse making bluster about kids at bus stops, I think these people are really just opposed to the idea of change itself. Some folks are just inherently programmed to knee jerk oppose anything that’s different from the way they’re used to doing things.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
For all the excuse making bluster about kids at bus stops, I think these people are really just opposed to the idea of change itself. Some folks are just inherently programmed to knee jerk oppose anything that’s different from the way they’re used to doing things.
Why Tom Cotton is a major obstacle to daylight saving time
Cotton has positioned himself as one of the chamber's most vocal opponents of locking the country into daylight saving time year-round.
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I still go by the sun !In 2026, it's stupid and pointless to be constantly moving clocks back and forth. We faired just fine for eons without clocks or some government clown telling us what time it should be. We went by (gasp) the sun.
It's sometime before midday! Somewhere between 10 and 11 am i would say ?
close enough for me !
I read a good book on sleep recently. There are natural sleep cycles for people. I can't remember the breakdowns exactly, but like 30% of the population are naturally morning people. 25% are night people. The rest are in between. This is across all cultures. Makes sense as we evolved from cavemen. They needed close to round the clock coverage to make sure saber tooth tigers weren't eating them in the middle of the night.
The "problem" now is that the early risers basically set the schedule for life - especially business and school. So the dudes getting up feeling great at 5 AM, prepping for the day, working out, etc., are ready to crush it when the workday / school day starts at 8 AM.
Night owls are completely screwed because of this. They are tired because they didn't get good sleep. It's not a lack of discipline. It's how their bodies are.
When I was a kid I was never able to fall asleep at bedtime. If "lights out" was at 9, I wasn't able to fall asleep for at least an hour. I remember not even believing that people could fall asleep when their head hit the pillow. I have three kids now and the middle one is exactly the same way.
Changing time upsets sleep patterns.
Upset sleep patterns make people cranky.
Cranky people come come.on forums and want to argue over the definition of "constantly."
I didn't mean constantly as in more than twice a year. I mean it's been going on for years. Probably should have used the word continously instead. Mea culpa.
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Yeah, I read that as well. Not sure I buy the caveman day/nightwatch hypothesis. But I'm 100% a night person. I have to get up at 4 am for work and I'll be dragging AZ all day. But no matter how tired I am , when nightfall rolls around I'm wide awake and can't get to sleep early enough. Cycle repeats. I usually have to sleep in on weekends to try and catch up on sleep. If my body gets to decide I would stay up to 12 am and wake up like 8 or 9. That feels totally natural and healthy for me.
I'm naturally 1 AM to 9 AM. Obviously that doesn't work great for my office job. This week I went to bed at 10:30 PM a few times. Woke up at 2 AM wide awake. Can't win.
I must be solar powered. It gets dark and it’s lights out. First crack of dawn, back at it.
The Bingham family and the Courier Journal had enough clout back then to keep Louisville on EST with NY. Just look at the line. It carves out a square just for Louisville.
No way a newspaper could get that done today.
I am one of those earlier risers. I am up between 0400 and 0430 every morning. Was that way as a kid and it served me well during my military years. I usually hit the sack between 9pm and 9:30pm. Wife stays up a little later. Sometimes, if we are watching a movie that goes beyond my bedtime and I get tired, I fire up some coffee to finish it with her. Even though some say don't drink it so late, I can still be out in less than 5 minutes after hitting the sack. Now, sometimes that coffee is Irish coffee minus the whipped cream and that pretty much evens it out.
The concept of daylight savings was originally created so farmers would have more daylight to do their farming.
but I never understood that premise. The number on the clock isn’t relevant to me. If my clock says 430pm and the sun is down I just go to bed sooner and get up earlier. We’re talking a sleep schedule change of 1-2 hours max. Not hard to adapt to.
but this also isn’t an issue that keeps me up at night. Just seems pointless to me to change our clocks by an hour twice a year. Our clocks don’t control the sun lol
but I never understood that premise. The number on the clock isn’t relevant to me. If my clock says 430pm and the sun is down I just go to bed sooner and get up earlier. We’re talking a sleep schedule change of 1-2 hours max. Not hard to adapt to.
but this also isn’t an issue that keeps me up at night. Just seems pointless to me to change our clocks by an hour twice a year. Our clocks don’t control the sun lol
No it wasn’t, it’s not that hard to google that it came from war rationing electricity. It takes like 2 mins to look up
Wrong. This is a commonly perpetuated myth, there’s no truth to it at all. It had nothing to do with farming, instead it was actually started by the Germans during WW1. This clip summarizes its origins fairly concisely and amusingly:
I don't pay a lot of attention to it because I don't have to, really. Obviously I have to pay some attention because everyone else operates that way.
Where I live in the UP of Michigan, we are the westernmost point in the eastern time zone, to keep us on track with most of the rest of the state (somecounties bordering WI are on central time - and they are east of me). Combined with DST that makes for really late summer twilight here, around 11 pm. That's kind of a reward for the 5 months of darkness, snow, and gray skies in the winter. Although, winter nights are light/bright if it's clear, because of all of the snow.
Where I live in the UP of Michigan, we are the westernmost point in the eastern time zone, to keep us on track with most of the rest of the state (somecounties bordering WI are on central time - and they are east of me). Combined with DST that makes for really late summer twilight here, around 11 pm. That's kind of a reward for the 5 months of darkness, snow, and gray skies in the winter. Although, winter nights are light/bright if it's clear, because of all of the snow.
The original motivation for Daylight Saving Time (DST) was to make better use of daylight and reduce the need for artificial lighting.
Here's how the idea developed:
- 1784: Benjamin Franklin jokingly suggested that Parisians could save candles by getting up earlier. He did not propose changing clocks.
- 1895: George Vernon Hudson seriously proposed moving clocks forward by two hours so people would have more evening daylight for recreation.
- 1907: William Willett campaigned for the idea in Britain. He argued people were "sleeping through" valuable morning daylight and wanted longer evenings.
- Germany became the first country to adopt DST in 1916. The goal was to conserve coal by reducing the amount of electric lighting needed in the evenings.
- Many other countries, including the United States, quickly followed for the same wartime energy-saving reasons.
- During World War II, DST was again used in many countries to save fuel.
- After the wars, some places abandoned it while others kept it.
I’m sure all of that is true. But I trust my grandfather and dad when they say it was also kept around so farmers would have daylight to yield crops. They were both farmers back in their youth so literally primary sources.
But I recognize there were multiple reasons for it. And given the dates you cited, only further reinforces my belief that it’s outdated.
My grandfather and dad were both farmers and they said farmers enjoyed it because they could yield crops with the sun out.
I trust them over YT
No reason to be rude homie. I got this information from my grandfather and father who both yielded tobacco in their teenage years. But by all means, trust your AI overlords! I’ll trust people I know who actually lived in an era before modern farming tech.
It’s not that hard to show some human decency over such a trivial argument.
my father grew up on a wheat farm that was my grandfathers. It’s really easy information to look up, it’s wild to me that people just dont even look up information when it’s so easily accessible. What possible advantage does it have to farming anyway? The farmer lives on his farm and gets up to work at dawn, it’s not like a farmer clocks in or out, what does he care if f it says 8 or 9? The animals obviously don’t care. Why in the world would it make a difference in farming?
I really don’t understand why you’re getting so heated. I’ve stated my position. I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you. You weren’t like this on the old board. I hope everything is ok. I’ll pray for you brother.
Ha, ok my man sorry thought you were being serious. You got me! Nicely done
I mean no disrespect to your father and grandfather, but this makes no sense at all.
There’s still the EXACT SAME amount of daylight on those days regardless of which one you use. DST doesn’t extend the duration of sunlight, it just relabels the clock a bit. Farmers can still “yield crops with the sun out” either way, all they have to do is go out and do it when the sun is out.
Look, it’s not in dispute why this system began. It’s clearly established fact. And, contrary to a common myth, the reason had nothing to do with farming.
I still get up and make it to work on time, d-bag. I'm just not as fresh as I would if we started at like 10:00.
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