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steinek11

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That's what I call someone anyone who is a horrible human.

The high deficit is a real number also. The number of people who are earning less than their potential may not be a number but it is real. Our horrible infrastructure and blight and health care are real.
Where did we spend those hundreds of billions of dollars under Obama? Something about shovel ready projects?
 

BlackLivesMatter

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You called him Orange POS.. that’s emotion.

At the end of the day unemployment has been much better under Tump vs Obama. Spin as needed to suit your emotion, but the numbers are what that are.

Trump is Orange POS. Who else would separate children from their parents then put the kids in cages? An American heto
 

BlackLivesMatter

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Obama for 1000, Alex
And .. even if Obama did do that, which I am waiting for sources, do you think Chump is a cool dude for following Obama's lead? That is pretty gross for anybody to think that a cool person does that. And.. I care less about Obama. Obama is one of my enemies. So IFObama did that, then. He is not a cool dude.
 

steinek11

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And .. even if Obama did do that, which I am waiting for sources, do you think Chump is a cool dude for following Obama's lead? That is pretty gross for anybody to think that a cool person does that. And.. I care less about Obama. Obama is one of my enemies. So IFObama did that, then. He is not a cool dude.
Do your own research you lazy mfer.
 

catch54

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Where did we spend those hundreds of billions of dollars under Obama? Something about shovel ready projects?

The fact is for the infrastructure segment of the stimulus, it was only about $100 billion. Spread over 3-4 years.
 
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Going back to the original post, did any of you read the article that caused Greenwald to quit Intercept? It was nothing but an unsourced Qanon like rumors and conspiracy garbage that, even if you were foolish enough to accept everything as true, didn't add up to what he claimed it did. I can see why Intercept rejected it. There was no serious journalism in it at all. It would have been rejected by a journalism prof at a mediocre community college. I have never been super impressed with Greenwald's journalism skills and I can't pretend to have read even a third of what he's written, but this piece of tripe plunges to a new, sub-basement low.
 

I M HIPPY

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October unemployment was 6.9%. It took Obama 5 years to reach that rate.

LOOK at the numbers hippy boy (see link). I’m just reading facts. You’re the one who is wrong. Take your own advise.. just cause you WANT something to be true, doesn’t make it true.

How’s the market doing today??

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-employment-monthly-update.aspx
Since when does the stock market = the economy? Only about half the country in the stock market, and the richest 10% of the country own about 85% of all stocks. Doesn't seem like a very good indicator to me I haven't looked at your link, but sure it took Obama's rate awhile to reach that level . . . he was elected in large part because the Bush Admin oversaw a historically bad recession/financial implosion. D's and R's both responsible for dicking over the little guy. One party is pretty obvious about it, the other not so much. You are out here wanting to believe the stock market = good economic policy when it generally is the property of the wealthiest 10% in our country. How about the other 90%?
 

I M HIPPY

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You're getting a little bit emotional here. Where did I say economy has fallen apart because of deficits? We are in a permanent low interest environment. Our debt to GDP is now 98%. It's considered sustainable only up to 72%. One out of every ten tax dollars is earmarked toward just the interest on the debt. The debt service will crowd out legacy entitlements like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. We will need cuts to the military and education and we will need higher taxes at the same time . We are on an unsustainable path.
Look up what the Debt to GDP is in Japan? 250% Zero inflation. .05 interest rates on long term debt. The rhetoric around the evils of Fed Debt are bunk. About as bad as those who say social security is doomed. Been hearing it my whole life. Who's interest does it serve to perpetuate this kind of crap? Again, members of both parties are guilty of this nonsense, all in service to the very wealthiest among us.
 

I M HIPPY

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Well I would hope the trend would start under Obummer. He had the highest unemployment rate in quite a while. No where to go but down.
Why do you think Obama had high unemployment rates? Who was in charge during the economic collapse in '07? Considering where they started, Obama clearly had a better economic record. No wonder the right wing can get away with crap like stealing election from Gore or a SCOTUS seat from Obama and then do a 180 . . . you guys believe anything. Trump runs around like a spoiled child talking about a great economy and people actually believe it.
 

GBRforLife1

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You're being as silly as a typical Penn State board Republican ... seriously.

Put on your big boy pants and say you want to cut welfare.
I wouldnt cut welfare off the top end. I work to create jobs and opportunities so people don't want to be on welfare there by decreasing it.

As someone with an M.A. in economics you should understand there will always be a portion of the population who will require some assistance. But that doesn't mean we should have policies that encourage it.

But I'd totally cut into a bunch of do-nothing govt agencies. Maybe even the dept of labor? Who knows? Could get wild.
 

GBRforLife1

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That's what I call someone anyone who is a horrible human.

The high deficit is a real number also. The number of people who are earning less than their potential may not be a number but it is real. Our horrible infrastructure and blight and health care are real.
Do you live in Baltimore?
 

GBRforLife1

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Why do you think Obama had high unemployment rates? Who was in charge during the economic collapse in '07? Considering where they started, Obama clearly had a better economic record. No wonder the right wing can get away with crap like stealing election from Gore or a SCOTUS seat from Obama and then do a 180 . . . you guys believe anything. Trump runs around like a spoiled child talking about a great economy and people actually believe it.
Because he thought trickle down economics would work. And he was inept.
 

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Since when does the stock market = the economy? Only about half the country in the stock market, and the richest 10% of the country own about 85% of all stocks. Doesn't seem like a very good indicator to me I haven't looked at your link, but sure it took Obama's rate awhile to reach that level . . . he was elected in large part because the Bush Admin oversaw a historically bad recession/financial implosion. D's and R's both responsible for dicking over the little guy. One party is pretty obvious about it, the other not so much. You are out here wanting to believe the stock market = good economic policy when it generally is the property of the wealthiest 10% in our country. How about the other 90%?

I like how you completely ignored my facts on unemployment rate, and went right to the stock market.

Care to dispute my numbers on unemployment ? Are they incorrect?
 

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I wouldnt cut welfare off the top end. I work to create jobs and opportunities so people don't want to be on welfare there by decreasing it.

As someone with an M.A. in economics you should understand there will always be a portion of the population who will require some assistance. But that doesn't mean we should have policies that encourage it.

But I'd totally cut into a bunch of do-nothing govt agencies. Maybe even the dept of labor? Who knows? Could get wild.

I just don't believe we encourage people needing assistance. Rather, we are a constant state of crisis. I mean that sincerely.
 

catch54

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Do you live in Baltimore?

No but I have seen and been disgusted by the blight there.

I often look at videos on how cities are handling inner city blight. In Baltimore and no doubt every other city, overdue taxes and water/electricity bills are a big reason why properties can't be unloaded.

I am not sure if this number $127 million is correct. The city had an auction on empty properties with this amount due. Buyers would have to pay these liens. Even with low prices on the properties, buyers did not or could not pay off these liens. So the auction only sold enough to collect $6 million on the liens. Maybe the cities should forgive the liens (many owed by elderly or dead former owners). Then sell the properties to developers who can grow the economies.
 

GBRforLife1

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No but I have seen and been disgusted by the blight there.

I often look at videos on how cities are handling inner city blight. In Baltimore and no doubt every other city, overdue taxes and water/electricity bills are a big reason why properties can't be unloaded.

I am not sure if this number $127 million is correct. The city had an auction on empty properties with this amount due. Buyers would have to pay these liens. Even with low prices on the properties, buyers did not or could not pay off these liens. So the auction only sold enough to collect $6 million on the liens. Maybe the cities should forgive the liens (many owed by elderly or dead former owners). Then sell the properties to developers who can grow the economies.
Seems like a pretty simple solution. Wonder what party has mismanaged cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago etc all these years?
 

GBRforLife1

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I just don't believe we encourage people needing assistance. Rather, we are a constant state of crisis. I mean that sincerely.
I believe you mean that, but that's not accurate. That's media propaganda. How are we in a constant state of crisis with constant new construction, access to education, jobs available, plentiful food, etc?
 

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Official government data shows unemployment down to about 4.7% at the end of Obama's second term. From the almost 8% he inherited. Even Republicans can't deny government data. And they have not updated it because I often look at this data For years.. And the media can't lie about it one way or another.

I often ask the Republicans on the Penn State board what Obama should have done at the height of the great recession. I even ask if they think tax cuts would have put 8 million back to work. I usually get silence.

Timing is EVERYTHING as President. Obama could not have asked for better timing to come into power at exactly the bottom. Even with that he had the worst recovery in modern history. Trump had terrible timing when a normal expansion was long in the tooth. Still he made it roar with better economic policies.
 

Huskers_Rule

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You're correct. I'm the furthest thing from a right winger or a follower of such that there could be. I support single payer over Obamacare. I am a real big of simplification and Obamacare was no improvement in that regard over the Insurance based system.

Do you know what the medical cost ratio is for any major insurance company?
 

Huskers_Rule

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Trump is Orange POS. Who else would separate children from their parents then put the kids in cages? An American heto

Obama created the cages and started that program. Furthermore Democrats created the loopholes that led to tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors at our borders. Before those loopholes there were a couple of hundred.
 

Huskers_Rule

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Going back to the original post, did any of you read the article that caused Greenwald to quit Intercept? It was nothing but an unsourced Qanon like rumors and conspiracy garbage that, even if you were foolish enough to accept everything as true, didn't add up to what he claimed it did. I can see why Intercept rejected it. There was no serious journalism in it at all. It would have been rejected by a journalism prof at a mediocre community college. I have never been super impressed with Greenwald's journalism skills and I can't pretend to have read even a third of what he's written, but this piece of tripe plunges to a new, sub-basement low.

You are wildly misinformed.
 

Huskers_Rule

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Going back to the original post, did any of you read the article that caused Greenwald to quit Intercept? It was nothing but an unsourced Qanon like rumors and conspiracy garbage that, even if you were foolish enough to accept everything as true, didn't add up to what he claimed it did. I can see why Intercept rejected it. There was no serious journalism in it at all. It would have been rejected by a journalism prof at a mediocre community college. I have never been super impressed with Greenwald's journalism skills and I can't pretend to have read even a third of what he's written, but this piece of tripe plunges to a new, sub-basement low.

P.S. How many "journalists" were censored about the Steele dossier? How many federal investigations were started on that propaganda and you can't handle one single article about OBVIOUS Biden Corruption that virtually EVERYONE in DC knows about?
 

Huskers_Rule

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Since when does the stock market = the economy? Only about half the country in the stock market, and the richest 10% of the country own about 85% of all stocks. Doesn't seem like a very good indicator to me I haven't looked at your link, but sure it took Obama's rate awhile to reach that level . . . he was elected in large part because the Bush Admin oversaw a historically bad recession/financial implosion. D's and R's both responsible for dicking over the little guy. One party is pretty obvious about it, the other not so much. You are out here wanting to believe the stock market = good economic policy when it generally is the property of the wealthiest 10% in our country. How about the other 90%?

401-Ks and pensions are all in the stock market. You are saying 90% of America doesn't have a retirement plan?
 

Huskers_Rule

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Why do you think Obama had high unemployment rates? Who was in charge during the economic collapse in '07? Considering where they started, Obama clearly had a better economic record. No wonder the right wing can get away with crap like stealing election from Gore or a SCOTUS seat from Obama and then do a 180 . . . you guys believe anything. Trump runs around like a spoiled child talking about a great economy and people actually believe it.

Question your sources. In an election year 17 of 20 times when the President and the Senate were of the same party a SC Justice was confirmed. Only 2 of 10 times when the parties were different was the SC Justice confirmed. So ACB was perfectly aligned with historical precedent.
 

catch54

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I believe you mean that, but that's not accurate. That's media propaganda. How are we in a constant state of crisis with constant new construction, access to education, jobs available, plentiful food, etc?

Since 1973 we have had three major oil price spikes, a major terrorist attack, a pandemic, a major oil leak. We had a major earthquake, yearly hurricanes, floods, forest fires, tornados. None of these were made up or distorted by the media.
 

BlackLivesMatter

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Obama created the cages and started that program. Furthermore Democrats created the loopholes that led to tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors at our borders. Before those loopholes there were a couple of hundred.

So you support keeping children in cages? Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect
Error. Error. Error.
 

I M HIPPY

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I'll get the hose, you're on fire.
I said half the country in the market, and of those 50%, the richest 10% own almost all of the stocks. You can twist it all you want, but its the bone simple truth. The richest 10% of the country own 84% of the stocks. Someone who reads that and wants to pretend I'm saying only 10% of the people are in the stock market has issues with reading comprehension or is a unrepentant **** stirrer. Either way, I'm on the side of God and truth as always. Thems that disagree have a veil on their hearts and eyes, or are mentally deficient in ways that inspire sorrow and pity.