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It was a more of a manual than a book. Authored by BHO. They work better when you put them in the cages.

You are a little yikes. I have aroma that will makes oneself realizitios that giving kids hysterectomy and put on top of cages horrible. Makes you better person if used.
 

catch54

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Forcing people to spend more for insurance is misleading. Before the ACA, insurance premiums were going up 10% a year. When you factor in the subsidies that most people got to buy insurance, almost half of those who signed up for ACA saw their rates go DOWN. On the flip side, about 40% saw rates increase, but the coverage they received under ACA was broader & better. ACA also meant that US cut the number of uninsured folks by half. I know the right wing has made demonizing ACA as a central part of its belief system. But like most anything else the right wing pushes, some truth, mostly lies. Right wingers love to WANT to believe that bad Obama designed some Gov controlled system that wrecked health care. In truth, millions of people were able to get health care for the first time, pre-existing conditions were no longer legally used to keep people from getting insurance, and yeah, in some states, heath costs went up - - although costs were already going up 10% a year anyway. Don't let facts get in the way of a good repeal Obamacare rant tho. Let those right wing ghouls lead you around by the nose.

You're correct. I'm the furthest thing from a right winger or a follower of such that there could be. I support single payer over Obamacare. I am a real big of simplification and Obamacare was no improvement in that regard over the Insurance based system.
 
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steinek11

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You are a little yikes. I have aroma that will makes oneself realizitios that giving kids hysterectomy and put on top of cages horrible. Makes you better person if used.
Getting started with the aroma a little early today? Come back when you come down.
 

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Your data is wrong. Unemployment was up around 10% in '09 after financial crisis that happened under GW, but then it steadily dropped all the way below 5% when Obama left office. It continued on that path during Trumps admin until he completely bungled response to Covid. Even that context, unemployment up around 10% after financial crisis in '08, and then sloping down through Obama years to less than 5%, shows you that Trump did nothing special. If you believe Obama unemployment rates were higher than they are during Pandemic, you've been seriously misled. If you think economy has rebounded from Pandemic, you have also been misled. Here's a thing that might be helpful for you: if Trump says something, it isn't automatically true. If you WANT something to be true, it doesn't make it true.

October unemployment was 6.9%. It took Obama 5 years to reach that rate.

LOOK at the numbers hippy boy (see link). I’m just reading facts. You’re the one who is wrong. Take your own advise.. just cause you WANT something to be true, doesn’t make it true.

How’s the market doing today??

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-employment-monthly-update.aspx
 

catch54

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October unemployment was 6.9%. It took Obama 5 years to reach that rate.

LOOK at the numbers hippy boy (see link). I’m just reading facts. You’re the one who is wrong. Take your own advise.. just cause you WANT something to be true, doesn’t make it true.

How’s the market doing today??

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-employment-monthly-update.aspx

It took Obama so long because Republicans in Congress would not allow a high enough and long enough lasting stimulus. Donald Trump ... still the king of DEBT.
 

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It took Obama so long because Republicans in Congress would not allow a high enough and long enough lasting stimulus. Donald Trump ... still the king of DEBT.

Hmm sounds familiar. Nancy kept blocking second stimulus, but guess what? Employment still improved under solid policy.

You have no leg to stand on. Obama’s policies accelerated unemployment rate. That’s the facts. Spin as needed to make yourself feel better.
 

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These political posts, and the fact that the team absolutely sucks now, are just depressing and I am fairly certain makes fewer and fewer people want to read these forums and post here. Just letting you all know, this blows. Nobody wants to hear the rabid right wing conspiracy theories, and I am sure on the other end, nobody wants to hear the angry left. This stuff gets old.
 

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So if it would of gotten worse under Trump it would of been Obama’s fault? You can’t have it both ways.

The fact that black unemployment right now is much higher than total unemployment is evidence that Trump hasn't done a damn thing for blacks. But he had his tax cut. For himself.
 

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Hmm sounds familiar. Nancy kept blocking second stimulus, but guess what? Employment still improved under solid policy.

You have no leg to stand on. Obama’s policies accelerated unemployment rate. That’s the facts. Spin as needed to make yourself feel better.

What policies were those?
 

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The fact that black unemployment right now is much higher than total unemployment is evidence that Trump hasn't done a damn thing for blacks. But he had his tax cut. For himself.

Poor leadership and shutdowns in large cities is why black unemployment rate isn’t on par with the national average. It will get close to national average as lockdowns are completely removed.
 

catch54

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Poor leadership and shutdowns in large cities is why black unemployment rate isn’t on par with the national average. It will get close to national average as lockdowns are completely removed.

If the Orange POS was so great for minorities, the rates would be close to equal.
 

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The fact that black unemployment right now is much higher than total unemployment is evidence that Trump hasn't done a damn thing for blacks. But he had his tax cut. For himself.

Did you even bother to look at the gap in unemployment rate between blacks and total population under Obama before making that idiotic statement.

Using your cited stats.. black unemployment was 75.8% higher than total unemployment rate under Obama (starting 2010 since you omitted 2009). Under Trump, black unemployment was 67.1% higher than total unemployment. Neither are much to brag about, but blacks had better employment numbers under Trump vs Obama.

These are just facts. No emotion.
 

catch54

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Did you even bother to look at the gap in unemployment rate between blacks and total population under Obama before making that idiotic statement.

Using your cited stats.. black unemployment was 75.8% higher than total unemployment rate under Obama (starting 2010 since you omitted 2009). Under Trump, black unemployment was 67.1% higher than total unemployment. Neither are much to brag about, but blacks had better employment numbers under Trump vs Obama.

These are just facts. No emotion.

The trend started down under Obama you idiot. It may have decreased further under another Democratic term.
And the truth is, there never really was an Obama economy idiot. Republicans refused any stimulus. So "Obama 's economy" was basically to slow down the job losses that started under Bush and then let the economy recover on it's own.

How do you really feel about the high Trump deficits under the Orange POS, before covid? If Trump was so good for black employment, why did blacks overwhelmingly vote for Biden?
 

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The trend started down under Obama you idiot. It may have decreased further under another Democratic term.
And the truth is, there never really was an Obama economy idiot. Republicans refused any stimulus. So "Obama 's economy" was basically to slow down the job losses that started under Bush and then let the economy recover on it's own.

How do you really feel about the high Trump deficits under the Orange POS, before covid? If Trump was so good for black employment, why did blacks overwhelmingly vote for Biden?
The deficits under Trump and the last five presidents will be our undoing in the end. Our kids and grandkids are so f*****. We're going to see decades of cuts and higher taxes, because the US will never default.
 

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The trend started down under Obama you idiot. It may have decreased further under another Democratic term.
And the truth is, there never really was an Obama economy idiot. Republicans refused any stimulus. So "Obama 's economy" was basically to slow down the job losses that started under Bush and then let the economy recover on it's own.

How do you really feel about the high Trump deficits under the Orange POS, before covid? If Trump was so good for black employment, why did blacks overwhelmingly vote for Biden?

I thought we could have a nice civil discussion about numbers. You have resorted to emotional name calling. You are not a numbers person, but instead are driven by emotion.

Also - Trump has the highest minority vote in decades for a republican.
 

catch54

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The deficits under Trump and the last five presidents will be our undoing in the end. Our kids and grandkids are so f*****. We're going to see decades of cuts and higher taxes, because the US will never default.

The economy has NOT fallen apart because of deficits. Interests rates have lowered over the years. Therefore the cost of servicing the debt has been reasonable.

By all means. Tell us your spending cuts. ???
 

GBRforLife1

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The trend started down under Obama you idiot. It may have decreased further under another Democratic term.
And the truth is, there never really was an Obama economy idiot. Republicans refused any stimulus. So "Obama 's economy" was basically to slow down the job losses that started under Bush and then let the economy recover on it's own.

How do you really feel about the high Trump deficits under the Orange POS, before covid? If Trump was so good for black employment, why did blacks overwhelmingly vote for Biden?
Well I would hope the trend would start under Obummer. He had the highest unemployment rate in quite a while. No where to go but down.
 

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The economy has NOT fallen apart because of deficits. Interests rates have lowered over the years. Therefore the cost of servicing the debt has been reasonable.

By all means. Tell us your spending cuts. ???
I'd cut the EPA, Dept of education, and require Hunter Biden to use all his China and Ukraine money to pay down the debt. That should do it. 😉
 

catch54

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I thought we could have a nice civil discussion about numbers. You have resorted to emotional name calling. You are not a numbers person, but instead are driven by emotion.

Also - Trump has the highest minority vote in decades for a republican.

You used the word idiot first.

No emotion. I work for BLS. I have a M.A. in economics. I know where the important data is. And I know how to use it.

Note you said "for a Republican". Minorities who vote for Trump never talk about things like deficits. They don't understand Obama had to deal with a Republican H.O.R. after two years. They don't understand that free trade is still the best policy. Free trade is a policy of ALL Americans, not just a few million who want jobs. And technology has probably killed at least as many American jobs as trade. (I am 100% for advancing technology in our factories, etc.) . The answer is investment in infrastructure. Which is great because it creates many good paying jobs ... for whites and minorities equally.
 

catch54

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I'd cut the EPA, Dept of education, and require Hunter Biden to use all his China and Ukraine money to pay down the debt. That should do it. 😉


You're being as silly as a typical Penn State board Republican ... seriously.

Put on your big boy pants and say you want to cut welfare.
 

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You used the word idiot first.

No emotion. I work for BLS. I have a M.A. in economics. I know where the important data is. And I know how to use it.

Note you said "for a Republican". Minorities who vote for Trump never talk about things like deficits. They don't understand Obama had to deal with a Republican H.O.R. after two years. They don't understand that free trade is still the best policy. Free trade is a policy of ALL Americans, not just a few million who want jobs. And technology has probably killed at least as many American jobs as trade. (I am 100% for advancing technology in our factories, etc.) . The answer is investment in infrastructure. Which is great because it creates many good paying jobs ... for whites and minorities equally.

You called him Orange POS.. that’s emotion.

At the end of the day unemployment has been much better under Tump vs Obama. Spin as needed to suit your emotion, but the numbers are what that are.
 

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The economy has NOT fallen apart because of deficits. Interests rates have lowered over the years. Therefore the cost of servicing the debt has been reasonable.

By all means. Tell us your spending cuts. ???
You're getting a little bit emotional here. Where did I say economy has fallen apart because of deficits? We are in a permanent low interest environment. Our debt to GDP is now 98%. It's considered sustainable only up to 72%. One out of every ten tax dollars is earmarked toward just the interest on the debt. The debt service will crowd out legacy entitlements like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. We will need cuts to the military and education and we will need higher taxes at the same time . We are on an unsustainable path.
 

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You're being as silly as a typical Penn State board Republican ... seriously.

Put on your big boy pants and say you want to cut welfare.
You really can't cut welfare. The rioting would be 50 times worse than it is now. maybe more. The day millions of Americans don't have money for food, it's going to get real
 

catch54

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You called him Orange POS.. that’s emotion.

At the end of the day unemployment has been much better under Tump vs Obama. Spin as needed to suit your emotion, but the numbers are what that are.

That's what I call someone anyone who is a horrible human.

The high deficit is a real number also. The number of people who are earning less than their potential may not be a number but it is real. Our horrible infrastructure and blight and health care are real.
 

catch54

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You really can't cut welfare. The rioting would be 50 times worse than it is now. maybe more. The day millions of Americans don't have money for food, it's going to get real

Tell me really why we can't cut welfare. Serious question. ??