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AI sucks, but at least it makes it a ton easier to respond to these zombie lies:

Banks were generally not forced to make loans they didn't want to. While the federal government did implement policies encouraging homeownership for underserved communities—such as the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)—major financial institutions willingly created and issued subprime mortgages. They did this to generate substantial profits through loan origination fees and packaging risky loans into mortgage-backed securities to sell to investors.The narrative of forced lending stems largely from debates surrounding the CRA. While the CRA did encourage banks to lend in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, numerous economic analyses—including reports by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and various academic studies—have concluded that the CRA was not the primary cause of the subprime crisis. Most of the high-risk, subprime loans were made by non-bank lenders and institutions not heavily bound by CRA requirements.Ultimately, the decision to loosen lending standards and issue loans to borrowers who ultimately defaulted was driven by the private sector's pursuit of short-term profits and deregulation.
Keep asking why?

Why did we have a housing crash in 2008?
Subprime lending

when did sub prime lending start?
Early 90s

why did it start? Political pressure to give riskier customers loans bc it was “discriminatory” to use good credit info.

When banks are responsible and use good information to give loans like credit score and debt to income they get called racist.

when they give loans to bad customers and jack up interest rates to ocercome the risk they get called greedy.

they found a way to bundle the risk and make money. Then it popped.

Let the GD free market work itself out we will always be ok. Not always great but always trending up over the long haul. ALWAYS.
 
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Keep asking why?

Why did we have a housing crash in 2008?
Subprime lending

when did sub prime lending start?
Early 90s

why did it start? Political pressure to give riskier customers loans bc it was “discriminatory” to use good credit info.

When banks are responsible and use good information to give loans like credit score and debt to income they get called racist.

when they give loans to bad customers and jack up interest rates to ocercome the risk they get called greedy.

they found a way to bundle the risk and make money. Then it popped.

Let the GD free market work itself out we will always be ok. Not always great but always trending up over the long haul. ALWAYS.
Read it and try again. They were making money, thats why they were making the bad loans. The loans were off their books in 30 days, to good profit. You expect them to turn down easy money? Dude.
 
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Keep asking why?

Why did we have a housing crash in 2008?
Subprime lending

when did sub prime lending start?
Early 90s

why did it start? Political pressure to give riskier customers loans bc it was “discriminatory” to use good credit info.

When banks are responsible and use good information to give loans like credit score and debt to income they get called racist.

when they give loans to bad customers and jack up interest rates to ocercome the risk they get called greedy.

they found a way to bundle the risk and make money. Then it popped.

Let the GD free market work itself out we will always be ok. Not always great but always trending up over the long haul. ALWAYS.
get the 17 out of here with that free market shít. We don’t have a free market.
I know that is what you are complaining about and you are saying a free market would resolve this, but there is zero reason to believe your baseless claim because we have nothing to go off of to show it would work.

You are aggressively pushing an untested theory and claiming it would solve all issues.
 

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Before recorded history.

I guess you're going to double down on banks dont want to make money.
Wanting to make money doesn’t mean it’s a bad loan.

I have several loans and cash to pay them off. But my money is working for me.

I wasn’t given that. I started off with debt from college. I made smart decisions (like not getting adjustable rate loans). It’s pretty easy to not get a bad loan. Live within your means and save money and build credit (which is really easy).
 

paindonthurt

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get the 17 out of here with that free market shít. We don’t have a free market.
I know that is what you are complaining about and you are saying a free market would resolve this, but there is zero reason to believe your baseless claim because we have nothing to go off of to show it would work.

You are aggressively pushing an untested theory and claiming it would solve all issues.
We don’t have a free market mainly bc it’s regulated by a dumb government system!

what is my baseless claim?

that politicians pushed risky loans so “under privileged” people could own houses? That’s not baseless. That’s an absolute fact.

Was a crash possible without that? Yes and likely. But it’s absolutely a fact the crash was accelerated and the effect of it was worse bc of political pressure to make loans to people who shouldn’t have loans. I’m sorry you are too dumb to see that.
 

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Wanting to make money doesn’t mean it’s a bad loan.

I have several loans and cash to pay them off. But my money is working for me.

I wasn’t given that. I started off with debt from college. I made smart decisions (like not getting adjustable rate loans). It’s pretty easy to not get a bad loan. Live within your means and save money and build credit (which is really easy).
Then you just dont understand. The banks MADE MONEY on these "bad loans". They originated them, took their fee, and offloaded them, within 30 days. Hell, they probably made more money on the "bad loans" than they did on the "good" ones.

So, again, the question is why you think they were "forced" to......make money. What regulation caused them to do that?
 

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We don’t have a free market mainly bc it’s regulated by a dumb government system!

what is my baseless claim?

that politicians pushed risky loans so “under privileged” people could own houses? That’s not baseless. That’s an absolute fact.

Was a crash possible without that? Yes and likely. But it’s absolutely a fact the crash was accelerated and the effect of it was worse bc of political pressure to make loans to people who shouldn’t have loans. I’m sorry you are too dumb to see that.
I said what your baseless claim was...twice. Twice it's in the quote of mine your responded to.

Once more- you claiming the 'free market' would resolve the issue/fix the issue/keep issues from happening, is baseless.
It is baseless because it is an untested theory. You are baselessly guessing your idea would work better.
 

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Keep asking why?

Why did we have a housing crash in 2008?
Subprime lending

when did sub prime lending start?
Early 90s

why did it start? Political pressure to give riskier customers loans bc it was “discriminatory” to use good credit info.

When banks are responsible and use good information to give loans like credit score and debt to income they get called racist.

when they give loans to bad customers and jack up interest rates to ocercome the risk they get called greedy.

they found a way to bundle the risk and make money. Then it popped.

Let the GD free market work itself out we will always be ok. Not always great but always trending up over the long haul. ALWAYS.
That WAS the free market you ignorant 17.

We don’t have a free market mainly bc it’s regulated by a dumb government system!

what is my baseless claim?

that politicians pushed risky loans so “under privileged” people could own houses? That’s not baseless. That’s an absolute fact.

Was a crash possible without that? Yes and likely. But it’s absolutely a fact the crash was accelerated and the effect of it was worse bc of political pressure to make loans to people who shouldn’t have loans. I’m sorry you are too dumb to see that.
Decent regulation could have prevented the crash. And guess what? Now we have it.

You really make conservatives look bad with your simple-minded view of the way things are.
 

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Then you just dont understand. The banks MADE MONEY on these "bad loans". They originated them, took their fee, and offloaded them, within 30 days. Hell, they probably made more money on the "bad loans" than they did on the "good" ones.

So, again, the question is why you think they were "forced" to......make money. What regulation caused them to do that?
I never said they were forced. I'll pay you $1000 if you can find the word forced in what i originally said you DA. I said pushed and they were.

The 1995 CRA Reform
HUD mandates on fannie mae and freddie mac (FHEFSS Act of 1992)
Exec Branch initiatives from 1995 to 2004

go to google gemini and type this "can you tell me some of the regulations and acts and events where politicians pushed banks to make it easier for lower income and low credit customers to get home loans?"

or if you think that is leading gemini then type this "Did politicians push regulations and acts in the late 20th century to make home ownership easier for low credit and low income people?"

or this "Did politicians push regulations and acts in the late 20th century to make home ownership easier for minorities?"
 

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I said what your baseless claim was...twice. Twice it's in the quote of mine your responded to.

Once more- you claiming the 'free market' would resolve the issue/fix the issue/keep issues from happening, is baseless.
It is baseless because it is an untested theory. You are baselessly guessing your idea would work better.
I didn't say the free market would stop it. Never implied it.

I said the free market always works itself out and it does. Are there highs and lows? Yes. They are way worse when the gubment tries to fix things.
 

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That WAS the free market you ignorant 17.


Decent regulation could have prevented the crash. And guess what? Now we have it.

You really make conservatives look bad with your simple-minded view of the way things are.
I'll give you 4 to 1 odds on an iq test. You get within 10 points of me you win $2,000. If not you owe me $500. PSSY

The 2008 collapse was way worse b/c of things that were pushed on banks. FACT. I didnt say the collapse wouldn't have happened. It likely would have but would have been much easier to fix and likely wouldn't have needed government bailouts.

You make the human race look bad bc you are DAF.
 

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Here's a good AI summary of what i'm advocating for fyi.


The ultimate holy grail of economic policy is finding the "Goldilocks zone"—a system that unleashes the creative destruction of capitalism and maximizes growth, but deploys a strong enough structural cage to prevent a systemic meltdown.
Achieving this requires moving away from the binary debate of "heavy regulation vs. total deregulation" and instead adopting a smart regulatory architecture.
The most effective framework for balancing these competing forces relies on four core pillars:


1. The "Sandbox" Approach to Innovation (Maximize Growth)

To let technology and new financial models thrive, regulators shouldn’t try to predict the future and write rules for technologies that barely exist. Instead, they should utilize Regulatory Sandboxes.
  • How it works: Startups and innovators are allowed to test new products (like decentralized finance, AI-driven lending, or micro-insurance) in a live market with real consumers, but on a strictly limited scale and under close supervisory eyes.
  • The Benefit: It grants innovators the freedom to fail fast and iterate without being crushed by compliance costs from day one, while ensuring that if they do fail, the damage is contained to a small pool of testers rather than the broader economy.

2. Functional Regulation, Not Institutional Regulation (Level the Playing Field)

Traditional regulation governs institutions based on what they call themselves (e.g., "This rule applies to commercial banks; that rule applies to investment firms"). This stifles innovation because tech companies can often find loopholes to perform banking functions without facing banking rules.
  • The Fix: Regulate by activity, not by entity ("Same risk, same rules"). If a tech startup, a crypto protocol, or a traditional bank is holding retail deposits and moving money, they must face the exact same liquidity and consumer protection requirements.
  • The Benefit: This stops traditional banks from being bogged down by legacy red tape while preventing "shadow banks" from taking reckless risks under the guise of tech innovation.

3. "Skin in the Game" Capital Requirements (Maintain Stability)

To prevent the systemic collapses that plague deregulated systems, the system must eradicate the "Too Big to Fail" safety net and replace it with strict, transparent, and simple capital boundaries.
  • Macroprudential Guardrails: Instead of micromanaging how a bank lends money, the government should simply enforce high, counter-cyclical capital buffers. Banks must hold significantly more capital during economic booms so they have a cushion to absorb losses during busts.
  • Bail-Ins over Bail-Outs: If an institution mismanages its risk and goes under, the law must dictate that equity holders and bondholders take the total financial hit (a "bail-in"), rather than passing the bill to taxpayers (a "bail-out"). If executives and institutional investors know they face absolute financial ruin for failure, market discipline will naturally curb reckless lending.

4. Algorithmic and Smart Disclosure (Consumer Protection)

Traditional consumer protection relies on thousands of pages of fine-print disclosures that nobody reads, which actually harms consumers while driving up costs for businesses.
  • The Shift: Modern consumer protection should focus on data portability and clear, real-time metrics. For example, forcing financial institutions to expose open APIs (Application Programming Interfaces) allows consumers to instantly port their data to competing apps that offer better rates or lower risks.
  • Simplicity Mandates: Forcing institutions to display risks in standardized, bite-sized, machine-readable formats allows independent rating algorithms to instantly flag predatory behavior or over-leveraged platforms to the public.

Summary: The Structural Blueprint

[ HIGH-GROWTH ENGINE ] [ STABILITY CAGE ]
+----------------------------------+ +----------------------------------+
| • Regulatory Sandboxes | | • Counter-Cyclical Capital |
| • Open API Data Portability | + | • Activity-Based Rules |
| • Low Administrative Red Tape | | • "Bail-In" Liability (No Feeds) |
+----------------------------------+ +----------------------------------+
| |
+--------------------+--------------------+
|
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[ SUSTAINABLE PROSPERITY ]

By shifting the government's role from a micromanager (telling banks exactly who they can lend to and how to write their paperwork) to a structural referee (enforcing strict capital cushions, transparent data access, and ensuring that those who take risks bear the full cost of failure), you create an environment where innovation can run hot without burning down the house.
Which piece of this puzzle do you think is hardest for modern governments to get right—stepping back to let new technology innovate in a sandbox, or actually allowing massive, failing institutions to go under without a bailout?
 

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I didn't say the free market would stop it. Never implied it.

I said the free market always works itself out and it does. Are there highs and lows? Yes. They are way worse when the gubment tries to fix things.
If you have a nebulous standard to meet, such as 'always works itself out', then it is impossible to prove that wrong, since there is no timeline to meet and no standardized form to know when 'it' has been worked out.

The exact same claim can be used for our current mixed economy.
How do you not see this?

If a free market wouldn't have stopped what went wrong, or prevented what went wrong, then what are you really proposing it would have done? It would have worked things out sooner?...how and when? Again, there is nothing to cite that would support such a claim.