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hart2chesson

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Mac9192 said:
What I don't understand is why Duke feels the need to suddenly have 80% of the starting lineup as one and dones. Look at our bench. Can people honestly say that our bench is where it should be, and with 4 more one and dones coming in shortly, will they develop as they should?
Look, I'm not trying to be a downer on the one and dones, but to me, experience really matters. I don't want to get hyped up over 25 regular season wins. And for those to say we're one of the few teams that can honestly call themselves contenders, we should be. There's 5-7 teams that say that every year. I also get the argument about the talent Duke is getting now versus our lean 05-09 years. My question is, why can't we have talent and experience? I mean, we're Duke right? I thought we were the hot item for the talent. What's wrong with a few 4 stars that can develop. I think we have 2 kids in Delaurier and O'Connell that could be really good. The question though is how much will they contribute. The better these 2 guys are next season, the better Duke will be.
We can laugh and say Villanova has had their problems, and they have, but has any team been more consistent than them in the last 3 years? They may not win it all tonight, Michigan is pretty good, but they're not doing it relying on one and dones. Experienced teams have won it all every year, and the 2 years that the teams had one and done's, both teams had several key guys that had been in their program for several seasons.
What's wrong with blending them with returning guys? That way you're basically not starting over every year. See Kentucky.
We can be all excited over Cam, Tre, RJ, and Zion, and maybe they will be as advertised, but our next team stands no chance unless our forgotten returning guys really improve between now and January 2019. Unless we are more worried about which nba team Cam and Co. will become a hall of famer for.
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I agree and have been saying the last several days, ultimately our returning players success and LEADERSHIP has a tremendous impact on our destiny. Javin, Ques, AOC need to be totally embraced by the incoming class and blended to produce the all important chemistry. Jack White is another wildcard in that scenario.

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Jake1985

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One thing that has to be clear is how does the staff see Girard. PG? Combo Guard? 2 guard? Joe is listed at approximately at 6-2 185 which might be PG in size but Seth, Nolan and Quinn were all able to both create on and off the ball.

Here's something to thinks about in recruiting none OAD guys:
- find the guys that have the skill(s) you covet such as shooting, ball handling, etc...
- look for athletic intangibles such as athleticism, speed, second jump, strong
- determine if the player has the mentality to improve. As in competitiveness, work ethic, focus and confidence & willingness to endure
- assess if the areas needing development are strengths of the staff and they have a proven track record of doing.

Ultimately it is the Staff's role to develop players along with all the resources the college program has.
 
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df64

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Capel was pretty True Duke Blue. He was not an outlier. He certainly was good at recruiting, but in the end, he was selling Duke. Even at Pit, he will still be selling Duke to some extent. I think it was the combination of his skill and Duke basketball that made him a great recruiter. Carawell, Scheyer, and compzny will ne just fine.
 
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skysdad

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I was at CTC last year. I had dinner at the skillet with Shownuff. Zion was there eating with his parents , Coach Capel and Coach Smith. I went to get a refill of water and had to go by their table. Zion's dad said hello but Zion gave me a thumbs up sign and a wink. He didn't say a word. That was a silent verbal. I knew way before anyone else that he was coming to Duke. ;) OFC
 
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Showenuff

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Well, he's here talking with K. Good sign.
 
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youknowit1

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Going to be hard to get him from Michigan. K going for 4 year guys not sure he's at duke 4 more years
 
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Swervin_Irvin_Duke

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Im sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. I love coach K but he can never get as close as Capel can with young Black males and their families, especially in 2018.
 
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Duke Bluu

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QC Dukie said:
Oh boy.....here we go.
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No need to let it get out of control we can all be grown about Swervin's post because i'm pretty confident he isn't the only one that has had that thought. Now with that said, even if if if if if if if if if if if if...............Swervin is somewhat correct, Nolan Smith, Nate James and Chris are all pretty young African American coaches on the Duke staff. Nolan just won a title in 2010 so these kids were 10 and remember that. So even IF it was a situation of having guys on staff these kids can relate to, Duke has that, so me personally, I don't think there is any cause for concern on that end.
 
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Liftee

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I actually like the makeup of our coaching staff a lot. Young guys who can relate to high school kids and who all have championship rings. A nice contrast to Coach K in case any recruits think there is no one they can confide in. Scheyer and James have been instrumental in bringing in a number of high level recruits.
 
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DukeDenver

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66% of D1 men’s bball players are black. 22% of men’s bball coaches are black. In the last 50 years, black head coaches have won 8% of the national titles (John Thompson, Nolan Richardson, Tubby Smith and Kevin Ollie). Race and college ball is interesting. I don’t think most players give a crap what shade their coach is, as long as he can win and treats everyone with equal respect. Coach K can relate to anyone. He’s a God and country man. Lots of kids and parents like that about him.
 
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Fresh1972

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Mac9192 said:
What I don't understand is why Duke feels the need to suddenly have 80% of the starting lineup as one and dones. Look at our bench. Can people honestly say that our bench is where it should be, and with 4 more one and dones coming in shortly, will they develop as they should?
Look, I'm not trying to be a downer on the one and dones, but to me, experience really matters. I don't want to get hyped up over 25 regular season wins. And for those to say we're one of the few teams that can honestly call themselves contenders, we should be. There's 5-7 teams that say that every year. I also get the argument about the talent Duke is getting now versus our lean 05-09 years. My question is, why can't we have talent and experience? I mean, we're Duke right? I thought we were the hot item for the talent. What's wrong with a few 4 stars that can develop. I think we have 2 kids in Delaurier and O'Connell that could be really good. The question though is how much will they contribute. The better these 2 guys are next season, the better Duke will be.
We can laugh and say Villanova has had their problems, and they have, but has any team been more consistent than them in the last 3 years? They may not win it all tonight, Michigan is pretty good, but they're not doing it relying on one and dones. Experienced teams have won it all every year, and the 2 years that the teams had one and done's, both teams had several key guys that had been in their program for several seasons.
What's wrong with blending them with returning guys? That way you're basically not starting over every year. See Kentucky.
We can be all excited over Cam, Tre, RJ, and Zion, and maybe they will be as advertised, but our next team stands no chance unless our forgotten returning guys really improve between now and January 2019. Unless we are more worried about which nba team Cam and Co. will become a hall of famer for.
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I don't think Tre is necessarily a one and done. I think he is a 2 year player or more. Might he be a projected low to mid first rounder? Maybe, but I think he is a leader and may be better suited to go 2 years..
 
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Fresh1972

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youngman42 said:
Everyone gets hyped about players like this. Then if they do come they sit the bench and transfer, 9 times out of 10.

I'd love him but K has to decide to play him. Honestly, if I'm a player like that I'd figure I have a better shot at getting PT over the course of my career at a Butler or 'Nova or 'Cuse.

We needed better perimeter shooting in the tourney - we had a really good shooter on the bench in O'Connell. And, we had one last year who probably would have been perfect for us in the tourney this year had he been given PT - Jordan Tucker.
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The difference between Jordan Tucker and Alex O'Connell is huge. AOC has a well rounded game, JT was a one trick pony who wasn't as athletic and didn't play hard on D. I think AOC SHOULD have played more... I thought he could have a Grayson Allen freshman year effect in the tourney if given the chance. He HAS to play next year. Too good not to and a great shooter which we probably will be lacking...
 
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dukiejay

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Fresh1972 said:
I don't think Tre is necessarily a one and done. I think he is a 2 year player or more. Might he be a projected low to mid first rounder? Maybe, but I think he is a leader and may be better suited to go 2 years..
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I won't argue with you that Tre is probably best suited to stay in college for multiple seasons.....but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. Don't be surprised to see him follow the same pattern as his brother....especially if he's going to be a first-round pick.
 
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Jake1985

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Back to Girard, watch his vids and he sure can shoot it and score but it will be interesting to see what he can do this Spring on the AAU circuit
 
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Jake1985

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That class could have some really offensive weapons & shooters
Joey Baker can really shot the ball and Bryan A can score in many ways. Cole A is a scorer as is Vernon C (who can also step out)
 
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Thinkpositivepc2

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Would a Girard, O’Connell, Baker lineup be the most hated Duke Lineup in the last two decades lol? A senior O’Connell and sophomores Baker/Girard I believe to be hell on opposing teams.
 
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DukeDenver

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Showenuff said:
I hope we land Hurt as well. Hopefully Scheyer is recruiting him, Nate and Nolan could never get as close to him as John. :rolleyes:
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I lol'd. Swervin' isn't wrong about race being a factor in coaching/recruiting, but I think it's overblown sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if white players preferred black coaches and vice versa.
 
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dbav

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dukiejay said:
I won't argue with you that Tre is probably best suited to stay in college for multiple seasons.....but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. Don't be surprised to see him follow the same pattern as his brother....especially if he's going to be a first-round pick.
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I'd certainly like if he blew up like his brother.

A lot of people in my area are talking about Girard. His school is about 45 miles away from me. I trust he loves Duke. Most kids around here are looking at UConnvict and Syracuse, among others. Work your magic coaches!
 
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