Girard .
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I know, I know, he's a 3 star, Blah, blah blah...
The kid can score and really shoot it. His work ethic and willingness to get better coupled with his desire to compete is a good thing to have in the program.
I know he's not a 5 star, OAD guy but he's a player that would be a very good fit for the program. And... And... Wait for it...
HE WANTS TO BE AT DUKE!
The kid can score and really shoot it. His work ethic and willingness to get better coupled with his desire to compete is a good thing to have in the program.
I know he's not a 5 star, OAD guy but he's a player that would be a very good fit for the program. And... And... Wait for it...
HE WANTS TO BE AT DUKE!
A player that can shoot like that and will stay more than one year would be a great get for us
He loves Duke.
We need him, we need guys that could develop into great players, that won't leave in 15 seconds.
When the one and done ends and it will pretty soon this is the type of basketball player everyone will be after. He will be one of the best available. I hope we get him. The transition of college basketball is near and now is the time for Duke to prepare. OFC
I went on a Syracuse board before we played them and they were saying he was going to Duke and then transferring. I think he'd play at Duke. This kid is good.
He’d be a great get for us, especially on a team like next year’s where he can help spread the floor and play as a spot up shooter. I don’t think he has the athleticism or shot making ability to create his own looks yet but could see him developing that by the time he’s a junior or senior.
According to his recruiting profile, we already have
Awesome!! Didn't realize that
Curious about that as well. If we get EJ, let’s assume that at least 5 of our top 6 players go pro (RJ, Zion, Cam, Tre, Bolden or EJ). We would also have Robinson and Vrank graduating. If we get our main targets which would be:
Carey
Anthony
Antoine
Baker
Bacot
Stewart
Think it would come down to whether K would rather take Girard, Scottie Lewis or push for Wendell Moore since we would need a SF in the 2019 class. The above also assumes Hurt ends up elsewhere (would guess we have about a 20% chance with him) and so does Wiseman (our chances with him are less than 5% with Penny at Memphis or him landing at UK).
Thoughts??
Wendell Moore is high on Duke but I think safe bet is he will attend UNC. Things could change.
Scottie Lewis is a player that the Duke Staff continues to develop a relationship with. It's likely that his bud, Bryan Antoine, comes to Duke and it would be great to get both. With that said, both Bryan and Scootie are OAD. It would be smart to get Girard
Scottie Lewis is a player that the Duke Staff continues to develop a relationship with. It's likely that his bud, Bryan Antoine, comes to Duke and it would be great to get both. With that said, both Bryan and Scootie are OAD. It would be smart to get Girard
I don't know how many of these recruits are considered one and dones. If the one and done rule changes and in 2020 the high school players can go into the NBA draft then recruiting will change quickly. It will effect every's schools way of recruiting. Hope there is a plan in place if these one and dones commit and the rule changes after they commit then some schools may have to scramble. OFC
The guys that would not attend college that are high in the Duke list would be
Vernon Carey Jr, Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scootie Lewis
Vernon Carey Jr, Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scootie Lewis
I had always heard that Duke wasn’t high on Scottie Lewis and only wanted Antoine even though he and Lewis play together in high school and were thought to be a package deal for all schools recruiting either with the exception being Duke. I’m all good with taking 2 SG in Antoine and Lewis, but find it hard to believe that we take 3 SGs without taking a SF.
Why I’m wondering who K is prioritizing between Lewis, Girard and Moore. Personally think that if all 3 were willing to sign a LOI in June or July, K would take Moore first and then decide between Lewis and Girard in case both EJ and Bolden left with all the Freshman or if we had someone transfer later this year.
Same here, but I did watch Vernon Carey JR the other day when he played RJ Barrett in the national championship game, and I REALLY WANT VERNON CAREY JR TO PLAY FOR DUKE.
PF but could definitely play C too. Old school PF, strong, mean, seems to play with an edge. Built like a taller Zion, without the 48 inch vertical.
These recruits we are discussing are all part of the 2019 class so not sure what a 2020 potential rule change effects these kids decisions. If they did change the rule, it would have to allow all current college players to be grandfathered per the 2019 rules.
Regarding the kids I listed as Duke takes, we are the pretty clear leaders for all outside of Scottie Lewis (50/50 shot he ends up at Duke if we want him) and Wendell Moore (30-40% he comes to Duke). The one kid that we really want but will likely go elsewhere is Matthew Hurt. Hurt is a more skilled version of Duke alumni Ryan Kelly.
Carey is a done deal. He’s all in for the brotherhood.
I think Bacot is a UNC lean now! I think we definitely get Cole Anthony and Vernon Carey and Antoine. Not sure about the others though.
Baker is already committed and if we want Stewart, he’s Duke bound. It may come down to whether we take Bacot or Stewart, as they are pretty similar players, whereas kids like Carey, Baker, and Hurt all have decent face up games. There are just a lot of guys that can play PF/C that we are in on. I’m good with getting the best PF/C in Carey, best PG in Anthony and best SG in Antoine.
Not not sure I completely agree with all that's being said
I went to college in Northern NJ and I have family there now. I have been lucky to have made great connections with coaches in that area. I went to most all St Anthony's, St Patrick's & St Benefict games when I was there. I do think Bryan A wants to be part of the Duke brotherhood but he is very torn on going to a different college than Scottie. Most think they will not attend college together but Bryan is lobbying Scottie about Duke when he has a high interest and Scottie is talking Kentucky where he has a high interest. Both have a mutual in Villanova which is less than an hour from their home.
Wendell Moore, Clint can chime in about, but as much I have been told, Wendell really likes Duke but UNC has vested a lot of time into him. Although there were some bumps in the road between UNC and the Moore family, Duke has not put a press on Wendell, which I do feel he goes to UNC. Now if Duke did turn up the heat, I'm not sure what would happen but here's where Duke is still gathering the interest level of Scottie Lewis.
Carey is not a Duke lock by any means. Mich st, and Miami are very strong here too. Have not heard anything that would lead me to believe he will commit soon or behind the scenes is saying Duke. Good question for Clint. On the recruiting board, someone mentioned him reclassifying, and I have not heard anything about that either.
Girard plays on the same AAU circuit as my cousin's son and my cousin lives near Girard in NY. The word is Joe really likes Duke but Duke will continue to evaluate him. This is a case where if Duke does press, they will get him. Joe is such a tough, hard nosed kid that is very competitive. Works extremely hard. Would be a great fit into the program but that's for the Staff to decide.
The other players
Isaiah Stewart- likes Duke and is being recruiting heavily by Joey Baker. Time will tell and Stewart is not in any hurry.
Armando Bacot- just seems like Duke is not pushing for him and UNC is. Lots of news to come out (next few months) on him. Stay tuned.
Anthony Cole - just not sure what he does
I went to college in Northern NJ and I have family there now. I have been lucky to have made great connections with coaches in that area. I went to most all St Anthony's, St Patrick's & St Benefict games when I was there. I do think Bryan A wants to be part of the Duke brotherhood but he is very torn on going to a different college than Scottie. Most think they will not attend college together but Bryan is lobbying Scottie about Duke when he has a high interest and Scottie is talking Kentucky where he has a high interest. Both have a mutual in Villanova which is less than an hour from their home.
Wendell Moore, Clint can chime in about, but as much I have been told, Wendell really likes Duke but UNC has vested a lot of time into him. Although there were some bumps in the road between UNC and the Moore family, Duke has not put a press on Wendell, which I do feel he goes to UNC. Now if Duke did turn up the heat, I'm not sure what would happen but here's where Duke is still gathering the interest level of Scottie Lewis.
Carey is not a Duke lock by any means. Mich st, and Miami are very strong here too. Have not heard anything that would lead me to believe he will commit soon or behind the scenes is saying Duke. Good question for Clint. On the recruiting board, someone mentioned him reclassifying, and I have not heard anything about that either.
Girard plays on the same AAU circuit as my cousin's son and my cousin lives near Girard in NY. The word is Joe really likes Duke but Duke will continue to evaluate him. This is a case where if Duke does press, they will get him. Joe is such a tough, hard nosed kid that is very competitive. Works extremely hard. Would be a great fit into the program but that's for the Staff to decide.
The other players
Isaiah Stewart- likes Duke and is being recruiting heavily by Joey Baker. Time will tell and Stewart is not in any hurry.
Armando Bacot- just seems like Duke is not pushing for him and UNC is. Lots of news to come out (next few months) on him. Stay tuned.
Anthony Cole - just not sure what he does
Don’t know where Anthony Cole is going either but Cole Anthony is coming to Duke unless Tre Jones just balls out this year but still decides to come back his Sophomore year instead of going to the NBA and even then, think Anthony is confident enough to come in and try to beat out Jones. You know he’s got some stones considering his dad is Greg Anthony.
Bryan antoine
Girard
Stewart
Baker
Thats the class am hoping for.
Think tre comes back which eliminates cole anthony.
Girard
Stewart
Baker
Thats the class am hoping for.
Think tre comes back which eliminates cole anthony.
I believe
Based on what I've seen of Girard I think he'll be a 4 star soon and he will play anywhere he goes. Maybe not start at Duke but at least play AOC minutes as a freshman.
What I don't understand is why Duke feels the need to suddenly have 80% of the starting lineup as one and dones. Look at our bench. Can people honestly say that our bench is where it should be, and with 4 more one and dones coming in shortly, will they develop as they should?
Look, I'm not trying to be a downer on the one and dones, but to me, experience really matters. I don't want to get hyped up over 25 regular season wins. And for those to say we're one of the few teams that can honestly call themselves contenders, we should be. There's 5-7 teams that say that every year. I also get the argument about the talent Duke is getting now versus our lean 05-09 years. My question is, why can't we have talent and experience? I mean, we're Duke right? I thought we were the hot item for the talent. What's wrong with a few 4 stars that can develop. I think we have 2 kids in Delaurier and O'Connell that could be really good. The question though is how much will they contribute. The better these 2 guys are next season, the better Duke will be.
We can laugh and say Villanova has had their problems, and they have, but has any team been more consistent than them in the last 3 years? They may not win it all tonight, Michigan is pretty good, but they're not doing it relying on one and dones. Experienced teams have won it all every year, and the 2 years that the teams had one and done's, both teams had several key guys that had been in their program for several seasons.
What's wrong with blending them with returning guys? That way you're basically not starting over every year. See Kentucky.
We can be all excited over Cam, Tre, RJ, and Zion, and maybe they will be as advertised, but our next team stands no chance unless our forgotten returning guys really improve between now and January 2019. Unless we are more worried about which nba team Cam and Co. will become a hall of famer for.
Look, I'm not trying to be a downer on the one and dones, but to me, experience really matters. I don't want to get hyped up over 25 regular season wins. And for those to say we're one of the few teams that can honestly call themselves contenders, we should be. There's 5-7 teams that say that every year. I also get the argument about the talent Duke is getting now versus our lean 05-09 years. My question is, why can't we have talent and experience? I mean, we're Duke right? I thought we were the hot item for the talent. What's wrong with a few 4 stars that can develop. I think we have 2 kids in Delaurier and O'Connell that could be really good. The question though is how much will they contribute. The better these 2 guys are next season, the better Duke will be.
We can laugh and say Villanova has had their problems, and they have, but has any team been more consistent than them in the last 3 years? They may not win it all tonight, Michigan is pretty good, but they're not doing it relying on one and dones. Experienced teams have won it all every year, and the 2 years that the teams had one and done's, both teams had several key guys that had been in their program for several seasons.
What's wrong with blending them with returning guys? That way you're basically not starting over every year. See Kentucky.
We can be all excited over Cam, Tre, RJ, and Zion, and maybe they will be as advertised, but our next team stands no chance unless our forgotten returning guys really improve between now and January 2019. Unless we are more worried about which nba team Cam and Co. will become a hall of famer for.
Everyone gets hyped about players like this. Then if they do come they sit the bench and transfer, 9 times out of 10.
I'd love him but K has to decide to play him. Honestly, if I'm a player like that I'd figure I have a better shot at getting PT over the course of my career at a Butler or 'Nova or 'Cuse.
We needed better perimeter shooting in the tourney - we had a really good shooter on the bench in O'Connell. And, we had one last year who probably would have been perfect for us in the tourney this year had he been given PT - Jordan Tucker.
I'd love him but K has to decide to play him. Honestly, if I'm a player like that I'd figure I have a better shot at getting PT over the course of my career at a Butler or 'Nova or 'Cuse.
We needed better perimeter shooting in the tourney - we had a really good shooter on the bench in O'Connell. And, we had one last year who probably would have been perfect for us in the tourney this year had he been given PT - Jordan Tucker.