Geo Baker In The News

[zappaa]

I’m not there to watch Geo

If I use your likeness for my own profit you’d have no issue with that right? And I’ve worked those hours too man, you’re not a martyr.

he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports.
It also pays for all that academic support he gets.
If you don’t like it, don’t let the door hit you in the ***, no one is keeping you in this team but yourself.
FYI....if you add up all the Baker Jerseys they sell, it’ll add up to oh gotz

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Slavery of 300 years ago is not what he nor the others are claiming . There’s a huge difference. Don’t use the higher , ethical excuses in this issue it is neither. He somehow always manages to insert his spin into where he doesn’t have the complete facts . Geo needs to remember sound bites are great but what about those other Rutgers students of color . Are they in slavery on campus too?

But you were. You literally asked if he is subjected to the slavery of 300 years ago. Are you arguing with yourself?

 

[RUBOB72]

If I use your likeness for my own profit you’d have no issue with that right? And I’ve worked those hours too man, you’re not a martyr.

Don’t try to change the narrative on this. It has absolutely no validity on what he spouted to a forum.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

I’m not there to watch Geo

he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports

You would be a wonderful employer.

 

[RUBOB72]

The comparison to slavery is dumb and allows people to dismiss everything else he says, which is spot on IMO.

Also, it makes me pretty confident that he has no plans to come back next season.

it would not fit into his plans I would assume. It is sad and for some inane reason Geo Baker believes he’s our CK .

 

[zappaa]

You would be a wonderful employer.

They ain’t his employer

 

[kcg88]

I’m not there to watch Geo

he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports.
It also pays for all that academic support he gets.
If you don’t like it, don’t let the door hit you in the ***, no one is keeping you in this team but yourself

If your employer told you they were taking 10% of your salary to put it toward a nice new office building with great amenities, you'd rightly tell them to **** off. Now imagine if they took 100%.

And in fact what you're describing with football and basketball funding non-revenue sports is basically a form of socialism which judging from your other posts around here, you're, um, against.

 

[kcg88]

They ain’t his employer

That's worse. You see how that's worse, right?

 

[kapyoche]

Geo is absolutely correct.

CFB and CBB make tons of money. There should be revenue sharing model.
Athletes should be majoring in only sports. That means there should be a major called football and basketball.
Why major in Mathematics when all they are doing is playing basketball?
How is math going to help them make free throws or 3-pt shot?

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

They ain’t his employer

So what is he? He is a student athlete, who doesn’t feel the conditions under which he fulfills his obligations are appropriate. He is free to voice that. It happens in formal work settings all the time. The counter argument of “take it or leave it” is pretty anti-intellectual. Change can be good.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

If I use your likeness for my own profit you’d have no issue with that right? And I’ve worked those hours too man, you’re not a martyr.

Haha i get im not a martyr. Im thankful to be able to work that many hours.

you realize these kids have free everything plus stipends, right? They have more discretionary spending money than like 70% of american families while in college

 

[zappaa]

That's worse. You see how that's worse, right?

no

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Also a kick in the nads to all those who donated money to the program.

again i understand, in a small way, where he is coming from.....but hate the words.

if one did an analysis, which would be very subjective, does Rutgers actually turn a profit because of Geo?

I don’t know if Rutgers basketball turns a profit.

now Pikiell making $3,000,000......

that is a real thing for a player to have a beef with

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

The comparison to slavery is dumb and allows people to dismiss everything else he says, which is spot on IMO.

Also, it makes me pretty confident that he has no plans to come back next season.

The question would be wheres he going? Kid comes from money and isnt remotely close to being on the nba radar. Does he really wanna go to england and make $30k? With his stipend, hed literally have more money and a better lifestyle here than playing euro ball

 

[kcg88]

Also a kick in the nads to all those who donated money to the program.

again i understand, in a small way, where he is coming from.....but hate the words.

if one did an analysis, which would be very subjective, does Rutgers actually turn a profit because of Geo?

I don’t know if Rutgers basketball turns a profit.

now Pikiell making $3,000,000......

that is a real thing for a player to have a beef with

Yes. The very obvious solution is to cap coaches' salaries and pay the players. This solves the "where does the money come from?" question.

 

[RUsojo]

I’m not there to watch Geo

he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports.
It also pays for all that academic support he gets.
If you don’t like it, don’t let the door hit you in the ***, no one is keeping you in this team but yourself.
FYI....if you add up all the Baker Jerseys they sell, it’ll add up to oh gotz

Separate from everything else, the argument of is the college sports value proposition fair, really boils down to the business model used now that you touch on with your comment, “he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports.”

If these guys had a choice, they would rather their compensation come in the form of money, not the school predominantly using revenue from revenue sports to build or operate extravagant buildings, and certainly not for that money to go to building/resources to non-revenue sports/students who’s efforts don’t have monetary value.

Another conversation for another day though.

 

[zappaa]

If your employer told you they were taking 10% of your salary to put it toward a nice new office building with great amenities, you'd rightly tell them to **** off. Now imagine if they took 100%.

And in fact what you're describing with football and basketball funding non-revenue sports is basically a form of socialism which judging from your other posts around here, you're, um, against.

Take your profits and pay for your own schooling, lodging, meals and academic support yourself, Is that what you're saying?
Don't forget you'll need an accountant for that, so you don't go broke

 

[kcg88]

The question would be wheres he going? Kid comes from money and isnt remotely close to being on the nba radar. Does he really wanna go to england and make $30k? With his stipend, hed literally have more money and a better lifestyle here than playing euro ball

And yet every year players are making that choice. Including underclassmen! Geo will at least have his degree.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If your employer told you they were taking 10% of your salary to put it toward a nice new office building with great amenities, you'd rightly tell them to **** off. Now imagine if they took 100%.

And in fact what you're describing with football and basketball funding non-revenue sports is basically a form of socialism which judging from your other posts around here, you're, um, against.

1. Funding non revenue sports
2. Paying coaches

that’s what makes the pay vs not pay athletes so hard.

 

[bac2therac]

Brilliant analysis as always Bac. People aren’t allowed to want better conditions for themselves? You a union buster?

he is getting a PAID EDUCATION at an excellent school...free tutoring, free food, free perks, gets to play a game he is talented enough to play at a high level to perhaps go and play professional, gets to travel the world

no one is forcing him to play. There are plenty of poor, white, black, brown, female, etc that are not as fortunate and as privileged as Geo to get their education paid for by playing a sport

also this is the kind of stuff you bring up in the offseason, he is now creating a potential distraction for the team itself and the investment his teammates, coaching staff, and yes fans who donate their time and money. To me that isnt being a leader. Again he is entitled to his opinion and entitled to talk about but he better be prepared for the blowback and to handle different opinions.

 

[koleszar]

If your employer told you they were taking 10% of your salary to put it toward a nice new office building with great amenities, you'd rightly tell them to **** off. Now imagine if they took 100%.

And in fact what you're describing with football and basketball funding non-revenue sports is basically a form of socialism which judging from your other posts around here, you're, um, against.

And @zappaa would have the choice to find another job if he didn't like the terms. Geo has the choice to find employment in the NBA or overseas if he doesn't like the terms. Doesn't mean he will but he has that choice. The school gave him a place to showcase his skills so he could eventually profit off of them.

It's basically an internship which provides, meals, clothing, housing and an education as a fall back option in case his athletic skills aren't enough to make ends meat. Through out all of it he has a choice, he chose to come back after his 1st year.

 

[bac2therac]

If your employer told you they were taking 10% of your salary to put it toward a nice new office building with great amenities, you'd rightly tell them to **** off. Now imagine if they took 100%.

And in fact what you're describing with football and basketball funding non-revenue sports is basically a form of socialism which judging from your other posts around here, you're, um, against.

is he not getting paid education??????????????? what does that cost now...100K?

 

[RUBOB72]

Also a kick in the nads to all those who donated money to the program.

again i understand, in a small way, where he is coming from.....but hate the words.

if one did an analysis, which would be very subjective, does Rutgers actually turn a profit because of Geo?

I don’t know if Rutgers basketball turns a profit.

now Pikiell making $3,000,000......

that is a real thing for a player to have a beef with

Not what I just read on NJ.com Friday ... Rutgers is not his employer... they are supposedly educators.

 

[zappaa]

Let me tell you about a business I'm familiar with,
If Geo wants to split the profits of his Jersey sales and autographed photos.
He MIGHT have enough money for a really good team party at the end of the year.
Shear delusion

 

[bac2therac]

Pikiell is right, these kids spend too much time on their phones. Social media is a curse

 

[RUBOB72]

The words nazi, slavery, heroic, courageous are thrown around too easily these days. Modern day or not.

And it will get worse over the next 2-3-4 years.

 

[RUsojo]

And @zappaa would have the choice to find another job if he didn't like the terms. Geo has the choice to find employment in the NBA or overseas if he doesn't like the terms. Doesn't mean he will but he has that choice. The school gave him a place to showcase his skills so he could eventually profit off of them.

It's basically an internship which provides, meals, clothing, housing and an education as a fall back option in case his athletic skills aren't enough to make ends meat. Through out all of it he has a choice, he chose to come back after his 1st year.

Schools have been hiding behind amateurism to limit compensation. Does he have a good compensation package now isn’t the discussion - it’s why are we capping their earning potential - and no one eles (within the college sports business paradigm)? Because they are young, legal adults?

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Separate from everything else, the argument of is the college sports value proposition fair, really boils down to the business model used now that you touch on with your comment, “he should feel lucky and blessed Rutgers sees fit to use his likeness.
They make money off it to fund that beautiful new building he practices in and fund non revenue sports.”

If these guys had a choice, they would rather their compensation come in the form of money, not the school predominantly using revenue from revenue sports to build or operate extravagant buildings, and certainly not for that money to go to building/resources to non-revenue sports/students who’s efforts don’t have monetary value.

Another conversation for another day though.

The question the reverts to how valuable are these individual players? Imo not very valuable. People arent watching Rutgers to watch geo baker. There are very very very very few players nationally that players watch to see the player. Nationally right now theres no player that i say, “gotta watch”. Last one was Zion. In other words if geo baker never existed, wed all still be watching these games.

these kids are getting around $300k in value and have more discretionary spending $ while in school than about 70% of american familys.

the whole premise of this argument is really players being mad theyre on TV. But they dont realize that. If the ncaa was like aite, you guys win, too much liability to pay you and have you as employees so were just gonna take all the games off tv and treat it like intramural sports, the kids would all say helllllll noooooo. These kids have no idea how good they have it. They also dont realize how little value theyd have if stipends were stripped in favor of being able to profit off their NIL

 

[kcg88]

1. Funding non revenue sports
2. Paying coaches

that’s what makes the pay vs not pay athletes so hard.

1. Cap coaching salaries.
2. Earmark a (small) percentage of the media revenue for the players. Same percent for all schools so like Ohio State players would get the same as Northwestern players. You'd have to separate out football rights vs. basketball rights vs. wrestling rights etc but that honestly shouldn't be too much to ask. There'll be plenty left to pay coaches and fund non-revenue sports.
3. Allow full name image and likeness rights. If a video game gets made, the players get paid. They can sell their autograph/old team gear/whatever.
4. No change on booster rules with facilities. If they want to pay for a new stadium or practice facility, feel free.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Schools have been hiding behind amateurism to limit compensation. Does he have a good compensation now isn’t the discussion - it’s why are we capping their earning potential - and no one eles? Because they are young, legal adults?

Because of what theyre getting in return. Do you know the benefit of not graduating with 6 figures in student debt and 4 figures of monthly student debt payments? These kids are out of touch

 

[mikefla]

He gets a FREE education(so did I but I killed myself on scholarship)
Free food......Free lodging

Geo....ive lost some respect for you

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Here is the issue that no one talks about

The revenue issue remains that why should it be the responsibility of the football program and the men’s basketball program to pay for the entire athletic department and all of the other sports teams?

high schools, and all college sports below division one basically fund sports programs as part of school and campus life (community life as well). Same is true with half of division one

If big time schools just paid the cost of the remaining athletic department outside of football and basketball Like all other high schools and small colleges that don’t have the athletic revenue...then the revenue sports have the revenue to do something reasonable for the players...

of course...title 9 has an impact here...but that the real question

the reality is ...the college scholarship today and stipend with the education is far more than what was 20-30 years ago. A college education is nothing to sneeze at on top that

the big part of this is that the players coukd and should retain their rights and image to their financial benefit. Geo is right ...

having said that...his use of “Being a slave “ is an over the top way of expressing a very legit point it.

..instead of using the platform as an intelligent student athlete to make a really good strong intelligent statement to further the point ..he made a Bad maturity mistake and brought a very polarizing way to the argument that will Gain media attention for sure, but also make the issue more divided then saying “he has a really going point here “....

 

[RU72]

I don't agree with the slavery comment on any level. Let's throw in as benefits the ability to use the Rodkin and Barnabas Centers. They are freaking palaces. Can an econ major from Trenton with some academic difficulties and virtually no spending me reap the benefits of these buildings? We know the answer. I am my Class President and reunion chair and in the process of raising a large amount of money for one or both of those facilities. Plenty of well heeled alumni from my class with no interest in sports are asking me that very question. They would not want to hear the comments from Geo on any level.

 

[koleszar]

1. Cap coaching salaries.
2. Earmark a (small) percentage of the media revenue for the players. Same percent for all schools so like Ohio State players would get the same as Northwestern players. You'd have to separate out football rights vs. basketball rights vs. wrestling rights etc but that honestly shouldn't be too much to ask. There'll be plenty left to pay coaches and fund non-revenue sports.
3. Allow full name image and likeness rights. If a video game gets made, the players get paid. They can sell their autograph/old team gear/whatever.
4. No change on booster rules with facilities. If they want to pay for a new stadium or practice facility, feel free.

And what do you do about Title IX? Same number or more female athletes than male.

 

[kcg88]

The question the reverts to how valuable are these individual players? Imo not very valuable. People arent watching Rutgers to watch geo baker. There are very very very very few players nationally that players watch to see the player. Nationally right now theres no player that i say, “gotta watch”. Last one was Zion. In other words if geo baker never existed, wed all still be watching these games.

these kids are getting around $300k in value and have more discretionary spending $ while in school than about 70% of american familys.

the whole premise of this argument is really players being mad theyre on TV. But they dont realize that. If the ncaa was like aite, you guys win, too much liability to pay you and have you as employees so were just gonna take all the games off tv and treat it like intramural sports, the kids would all say helllllll noooooo. These kids have no idea how good they have it. They also dont realize how little value theyd have if stipends were stripped in favor of being able to profit off their NIL

This is such a BS anti-labor argument. We don't tune in to watch some random middle reliever on a baseball team, but he still gets paid a professional athlete salary because they were allowed to unionize, which college athletes are expressly NOT allowed to do.

The middle reliever can host a baseball camp in the offseason and get paid for it. They can sell their team gear. They can do a whole bunch of things to make money that college athletes can't do.

 

[kcg88]

And what do you do about Title IX? Same number or more female athletes than male.

Men's team coaches get paid far more than women's team coaches. So as long as the scholarships remain equal I don't think there's going to be a Title IX issue.

 

[RUsojo]

Because of what theyre getting in return. Do you know the benefit of not graduating with 6 figures in student debt and 4 figures of monthly student debt payments? These kids are out of touch

Again, it’s not about what their current compensation is or isnt. It’s about unfairly limiting it.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

This is such a BS anti-labor argument. We don't tune in to watch some random middle reliever on a baseball team, but he still gets paid a professional athlete salary because they were allowed to unionize, which college athletes are expressly NOT allowed to do.

The middle reliever can host a baseball camp in the offseason and get paid for it. They can sell their team gear. They can do a whole bunch of things to make money that college athletes can't do.

Right but were back to the main point. We gotta stop pretending theyre not being compensated. They are and handsomely. A fully scholly has a value of over $300k. These kids also have discretionary spending available through stipends. Free education, food, housing, training, medical, etc.

And then post grad they dont have 4-figure monthly student loan payments. And 6 figure principal obligation. And again, wherher it was geo baker or john smith play point, wed be watching the games. The individual players have little value

 

[RUBOB72]

Schools have been hiding behind amateurism to limit compensation. Does he have a good compensation now isn’t the discussion - it’s why are we capping their earning potential - and no one eles? Because they are young, legal adults?

Eliminate all sports scholarships and the perks for D1 athletes . We can use true amateurism again . Let’s go to true amateur sports ... scholarships for academics only out oh high school . Now some athletes would earn the money ( as an example Myles Johnson) and it would force other kids to concentrate on the thing they should be concerned about schoolwork. Eliminate all the excess jobs of paid tutors , staff in jobs like compliance depts. and the high coaching salaries . You can certainly level the playing field something Rutgers always wanted to do.

 

[RUsojo]

Here is the issue that no one talks about

The revenue issue remains that why should it be the responsibility of the football program and the men’s basketball program to pay for the entire athletic department and all of the other sports teams?

high schools, and all college sports below division one basically fund sports programs as part of school and campus life (community life as well). Same is true with half of division one

If big time schools just paid the cost of the remaining athletic department outside of football and basketball Like all other high schools and small colleges that don’t have the athletic revenue...then the revenue sports have the revenue to do something reasonable for the players...

of course...title 9 has an impact here...but that the real question

the reality is ...the college scholarship today and stipend with the education is far more than what was 20-30 years ago. A college education is nothing to sneeze at on top that

the big part of this is that the players coukd and should retain their rights and image to their financial benefit. Geo is right ...

having said that...his use of “Being a slave “ is an over the top way of expressing a very legit point it.

..instead of using the platform as an intelligent student athlete to make a really good strong intelligent statement to further the point ..he made a Bad maturity mistake and brought a very polarizing way to the argument that will Gain media attention for sure, but also make the issue more divided then saying “he has a really going point here “....

Literally everyone talks about these issues