Gavin has been sidelined while Sam has been developing this year as our featured back. I have no illusions that they’ll be the second coming of Pat White and Steve Slaton, but I would love to see what those two can do in the lineup together.
Gavin and Sam
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Same here. Would really like to see them together. The key question is how good is Wimsatt at reading the defense to be able to play more of an option offense? My guess is that he still has lots of work in that area since he still young and hasn't had much playing time.
I get that Schiano wants to win but he has to give significant opportunities to our young QBs so we can also win in the future and are able to attract good QBs. Playing an injured Vedral doesn't make much sense to me.
One last thing, using the interceptions/turnovers against Simon and even Wimsatt also make no sense since these mostly occured due to poor play calling and asking too much of two young QBs instead of running the ball with our big RB.
I get that Schiano wants to win but he has to give significant opportunities to our young QBs so we can also win in the future and are able to attract good QBs. Playing an injured Vedral doesn't make much sense to me.
One last thing, using the interceptions/turnovers against Simon and even Wimsatt also make no sense since these mostly occured due to poor play calling and asking too much of two young QBs instead of running the ball with our big RB.
100% agree and we need to see what the future holds here as well. We have never really developed a QB and truly need to. To your point, the INTs were skewed a bit due to playcalling
Never really developed a QB?
Mike Teel- who I think was a 2 star recruit and was either drafted or UDFA and went to NFL?
Gary Nova, who, unfortunately, got his development in his senior year.
But to the point, how long did it take Harbaugh (a QB) to develop one at Michigan?
And Scott Frost (a QB) at Nebraska- how many did he develop?
You are right, in 10-13 years Schiano developed Mike Teel and I will add another one, Ryan Hart. Both developed because they had an opportunity to play and make mistakes and it took lots of time, which is your point. QBs can only learn so much from the sidelines.
We have to find ways to provide lots of opportunities to our young QBs since our senior QB can only take us so far right now and it takes time and snaps to develop young QBs.
And to be clear, I'm not saying bench Vedral and put Wimsatt for 100% of the snaps but Wimsatt or Simon need to have many snaps on all or most games.
Anyway, hoping everything works out and we can get 2 more wins!
The other important question is whether whoever the OC is capable of teaching Wimsatt the zone read if that's the offensive direction. Since Fridge left, we've seen OCs try to install an option based running game without really teaching the nuances and fundamentals. That needs to change.
As long as a bowl is in play, Vedral should start
SG’s musical chairs at QB is what screwed the offensive line development. Consistency leads to chemistry. And the offensive side of the ball needs to develop — not just the QB
Gavin is still very very young. Let him keep learning, practicing, developing. Stay healthy, with confidence, for a big season next year. Especially when a 6th-year player-coach in Vedral has earned it
If Vedral gets hurt or really falters — Wimsatt goes in. If RU has no reasonable chance for 6-6, put him in
But against Indiana, in which we had 1 QB under center all game, was the most in-game development we’ve seen of the offensive unit all year. OL improved, TE improved, WR improved, and def RB
SG’s musical chairs at QB is what screwed the offensive line development. Consistency leads to chemistry. And the offensive side of the ball needs to develop — not just the QB
Gavin is still very very young. Let him keep learning, practicing, developing. Stay healthy, with confidence, for a big season next year. Especially when a 6th-year player-coach in Vedral has earned it
If Vedral gets hurt or really falters — Wimsatt goes in. If RU has no reasonable chance for 6-6, put him in
But against Indiana, in which we had 1 QB under center all game, was the most in-game development we’ve seen of the offensive unit all year. OL improved, TE improved, WR improved, and def RB
I completely agree. Wimsatt already had some valuable reps, so now he understands the speed of the game. No reason to rush his development and make him lose confidence.
I have noticed that GS has gone out of his way the past two weeks to praise Gavin's recent development. Yet Noah seems to be the guy he believes gives RU the best chance to win this year. I wonder if he is getting pressure from the kids camp to get him into upcoming games and thus is being more effusive than normal in praising his practice progress.
I have seen nothing of the sort from his mother. To the contrary, she seems all in:
Think he turns 19 in two days.
He is a little bigger now:
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Gavin
I think the notion of developing players, including QBs, is false. Many freshmen, including QBs, start and play well on day 1.
Experience helps, but that’s not the same thing as development.
It’s the job of the coaches to adapt the playbook to the QB’s skill, not the other way around. But I think that’s what’s happening. Wimsatt doesn’t fit what we do, which isn’t only conservative bc of Vedral’s ability. Next year hopefully the playbook will be entirely different with Vedral gone.
Analogy: one won’t do well in a canoe race if you compete in a sailboat.
Experience helps, but that’s not the same thing as development.
It’s the job of the coaches to adapt the playbook to the QB’s skill, not the other way around. But I think that’s what’s happening. Wimsatt doesn’t fit what we do, which isn’t only conservative bc of Vedral’s ability. Next year hopefully the playbook will be entirely different with Vedral gone.
Analogy: one won’t do well in a canoe race if you compete in a sailboat.
Where can he transfer to that would guarantee that he starts next season? He is guaranteed to start at RU next season
Honestly he's not guaranteed anything. He hasn't shown yet that he can be a d1 starter. Maybe he will be next year but that's still TBD.
Prolly a handful of schools not to mention potentially some NIL money to leave. There’s very little loyalty in players anymore and yes, Greg has to get him time to appease his growingly impatient family.
Maybe he has not shown you anything yet but the coaches see him in practice every day& they seem very confident about his ability to start
There are a lot of things I give GS 1.0 credit for and many things I did not like. But I have to be fair with the QB's
He did develop Hart, Teel and to be honest- if not for the girlfriend- he would have developed Savage as well.
Savage would have developed into a top line QB if he just worried about football. 2010 was rough but by 11 & 12 things were back to more normal and imagine a 3/4 year Savage throwing to those WR's instead of a frsh/Soph Nova...
Idk. It’s not like NV is setting such a high bar with his play at the position. As it stands now he might start by default since Simon is the only other scholarship QB on the roster.
Still no one coming in for 2023 unless we pick up a late add via the portal. You also wonder how the permanent OC hire fits into decisions for next year. Don’t we have to add another QB to the room for next year?
the more I think about it I think will be a package for plays for GW this weekend.
Bumping this from Wednesday, because starting Wimsatt just didn’t make sense. You don’t mess with something that just worked
Now, I just hope to be proven wrong by Wimsatt, but ain’t looking good so far.
I did not see much today to indicate he is ready to play effectively. A couple of nice throws early and on some slants but he needs to be more of a dual threat guy to be effective particularly given our talent limitations on offense. He may have big arm but that alone means little. He was in there because Vedral was supposedly hurt but he wound up playing. Probably stating the obvious, but until we find or develop a good QB we are going to struggle.