Game Thread. Cats vs Southern
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Wow revisionist history at its finest! The biggest reason that people wanted Tubby fired was because he couldnt recruit, its also the biggest reason why Cal was hired, remember "Im here because I can get the best of the best" Other than rondo and morris who did Tubby recruit? Lukasz? Shagari? Bobby Perry? Sheray Thomas? Bernard Cote? Michael Porter? Saul Smith LOL?
and yet under tubby and billy we sruggled to recruit good players, why cant you explain this
Patrick Patterson, Jodie Meeks, Patrick Sparks, Ramel Bradley, Joe Crawford... I'm pretty sure he had a #1 Recruiting class in 03 or 04.
Tubby didn't really recruit bad. You don't get a top class by recruiting poorly. He just had some misses, particularly in state, and people felt like he wasn't doing enough in general. Then came the double digit loss seasons and distance from the fanbase.
BCG was a drunk and still managed to get guys like Liggins, Legion, Miller, Harrelson, Harris.
everybody knows Cal built em tucky widecats up himsef! At man croot em 5 star mickey d boys himsef!
The top class was the rondo class, and I said other than that class lol which also included ramel bradley who wasnt that good and joe crawford, youre making my point that outside of those 4 ppl in one class youre struggling to list anyone.
Sparks was a transfer and wasnt highly touted, you at least couldve listed bogans but you went to sparks that tells me you really dont know **** about UK basketball
so other than rondo's class he got patterson, he coached for 10 years, if you think one class and one good player is sufficient for 10 years of coaching then you have a very warped sense of success, no wonder you **** on cal so much you have no idea what it looks like for a coach or team to do well.
So much for historical advantages.....LOL
None of the people you listed were top nationally ranked recruits... youre just listing players that played well at UK thats not the same as getting top recruits.
You have yet to back up your claim that UK has some invisible historical advantage in recruiting
2010-15
190-38 for 83.3%
#1 seeds: 3
NCAAT: 21-4 for 84%
Elite 8: 5
Final 4: 4
Title games: 2
Titles: 1
Vs AP Top 25: 41-14 for 74.5%
vs Top Rivals: 38-11 for 77.6%
2016-21:
149-59 for 71%
#1 seeds: 0
NCAAT: 9-4 for 69.2%
Elite 8: 2
Final 4: 0
Vs AP top 25: 23-23 for 50%
vs Top Rivals: 23-25
73% winning to 83% before 2016
23-24 Vs AP ranked teams to 41-14 before 2016
Losing records versus top rivals, KU, Tennessee, UCLA, etc
1-4 versus Power 5 programs in the NCAAT since 2016
Resume A (5 seasons)
131-40 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles
9-5 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume B (5 seasons)
158-60 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles (3 Overall)
9-4 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume A: Tubby Smith’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
Resume B: John Calipari’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
190-38 for 83.3%
#1 seeds: 3
NCAAT: 21-4 for 84%
Elite 8: 5
Final 4: 4
Title games: 2
Titles: 1
Vs AP Top 25: 41-14 for 74.5%
vs Top Rivals: 38-11 for 77.6%
2016-21:
149-59 for 71%
#1 seeds: 0
NCAAT: 9-4 for 69.2%
Elite 8: 2
Final 4: 0
Vs AP top 25: 23-23 for 50%
vs Top Rivals: 23-25
73% winning to 83% before 2016
23-24 Vs AP ranked teams to 41-14 before 2016
Losing records versus top rivals, KU, Tennessee, UCLA, etc
1-4 versus Power 5 programs in the NCAAT since 2016
Resume A (5 seasons)
131-40 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles
9-5 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume B (5 seasons)
158-60 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles (3 Overall)
9-4 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume A: Tubby Smith’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
Resume B: John Calipari’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
I don't remember where Tubbys classes ranked, but the last two seasons they weren't up to snuff. It was just one of a few reasons the pressure mounted. We all know it.
He also had many of the most beloved Wildcats of all time. Overall I loved the Tubby era even if that last year it was clear it was time for a change. The fact he didn't want to get rid of his assistants said it all. And that's OK.
The frustration with Cal is getting these consistent top classes and then we have all seen how things have gone these season since 2015. Hit or miss. If you're going to have early losses then you'd better make up for it in the postseason. All of this November doesn't matter....I can't believe Kentucky fans even utter those words. We're Kentucky because it ALL matters to this fan base.
We're off to a fine start this year. I think if we had played a few teams that are worth a damn and won by now, there wouldn't be near the uproar on here. This board kind of feels like last year still, and I don't get it. We're 7-1. The season has just begun. We've got quite a ways to go. I enjoy this team. Been a few years since I've said that.
He also had many of the most beloved Wildcats of all time. Overall I loved the Tubby era even if that last year it was clear it was time for a change. The fact he didn't want to get rid of his assistants said it all. And that's OK.
The frustration with Cal is getting these consistent top classes and then we have all seen how things have gone these season since 2015. Hit or miss. If you're going to have early losses then you'd better make up for it in the postseason. All of this November doesn't matter....I can't believe Kentucky fans even utter those words. We're Kentucky because it ALL matters to this fan base.
We're off to a fine start this year. I think if we had played a few teams that are worth a damn and won by now, there wouldn't be near the uproar on here. This board kind of feels like last year still, and I don't get it. We're 7-1. The season has just begun. We've got quite a ways to go. I enjoy this team. Been a few years since I've said that.
You said other than Rondo or Morris. I listed 5 names names over the span of 3 seasons and that evidently wasn't sufficient. So now you're trying to move the goalposts.
I listed the first 5 that came to the top of my head. We can add Bogans and Prince as well.
Sounds like he did pretty well.
"Other than rondo and morris who did Tubby recruit?"
Your words are in quotes above. So I listed out the best players Tubby brought into UK. We are at like 9 names now and they aren't sufficient to your own criteria.
Prince was a pitino recruit...again demonstrating how much you dont know about UK basketball
We have the largest recruting budget, private jets, great games and venues to host recruits and families. We have great practice facilites and staff that long proceeds Cal and co. We have a rich history or success and have put more players than any other school in the NBA.
We also have one of the most passionate fanbases that can now legally pay players.
What other advantages do you need to know about?
all those advantaages and yet we had 12 straight years where we struggled to get top ranked recruits...im asking you to explain THAT youre being purosefully obtuse because you know you have no answer, just admit you dont know **** about college basketball, everyone reading your posts can see it anywayWe have the largest recruting budget, private jets, great games and venues to host recruits and families. We have great practice facilites and staff that long proceeds Cal and co. We have a rich history or success and have put more players than any other school in the NBA.
We also have one of the most passionate fanbases that can now legally pay players.
What other advantages do you need to know about?
Seems odd considering Tubby became coach in 97 but Prince didn't enter college until 98...
What years did we struggle to get top ranked recuits other than the BCG years? We just layed out that Tubby had several good recruits and classes. Then he quit trying.
That's odd, they seem to be agreeing with me and laughing at you. Are these people who don't think I know **** about college basketball with you right now? Are you seeing them and maybe hearing little voices too?
I didn't make a huge debate over it being 95? Was just letting you know. You're still using one single season to validate Bennett, I'm using his entire tenure there.Right, so I am showing why one coach has a historical advanatge to be successful vs the other who doesn't. Lol, it's sad that had to be explained to an adult.
Well ****, being in 95 practically changes everything!
this is a list of the top 50 recruits from 99-2000, we got one, cliff hawkins...would you consider one top 50 recruit success? or struggling?
As am I. His first few years weren't great. Cal's were. On the back half of their tenure Cal hasn't been and Bennett has.
This year isn't great either. Cal's was absolute dog **** last year so I guess let's see where it ends after this one. Hopefully with UK having a really successful season
And here was our roster that year. Looks pretty nice to me. Who were we supposed to recruit that we didn't?
I don't think Cal supporters can ever use the bad season excuse on someone else again. That wasn't just a bad season either. It was the absolute worst in our over 100 years as a program.
idk maybe more than just one top 50 player, maybe someone that wouldve gotten us past USC in the sweet sixteen???? if elite eights dont satisfy you and Cals top recruits dont make you happy why are you defending tubby's failures? makes no sense
Does dog sh*t not imply that? And I do support him, doesn't mean he'll get a pass if that bs ever happens again. He can be criticized still. Doesn't mean Bennett only dreams of having his career here so far.
I'm not defending Tubby's failures. I wouldn't have hired him to begin with, but to act like we weren't able to pull in some historically great recruits under a coach who put no emphasis on recruiting, it should be painfully obvious they came here because we offer a lot of other benefits that other prgrams don't.
Dog **** is a compliment to the debacle of last season. Eating dog **** wouldn't be as bad as watching that team play.
Bennett is a solid option when Cal leaves. Holtmann is getting the job, but Bennett will be a back-up option.
After 2015 and KY fans attacked John Higgins, the refs formed a secret club. It is why we have the worst luck in every rankings. Yes there is a thing. All it takes is get best players with 2 fouls before the 10 minute mark or do like Higgins in North Carolina game-get every player with 2 fouls before the 10 minute mark. Then a call here and there- ballgame
We came close a couple of times last year. 2 or 3 games we only scored in the 50's.
I have a few ahead of him but he is a pretty good coach. The complaints here would be insane watching that offense though. Maybe with the talent we get he could open it up more?
Do what now? Tayshaun came here Tubby's second season. Is there more to this....ie Pitino laid ground work when Tayshaun was a sophomore or junior in HS?
His better teams have been higher scoring than that. The championship team averaged in the 70's per game I believe.
His teams play great defense and are usually very efficient though. They also tend to shoot well.
I have a few names ahead of him, but he is a solid option.
With how bad last year was then when was the last time?? I thought that team would've been. Had to be back before modern ball right? We have been blessed to see the best program and I'm happy I have
So I went straight to 2012 - 2013 season next. We didn't break 50 against vandy in the sec quarterfinals that year, we only got 48.
50 against Notre Dame.
55 against Bama and Baylor.
52 against UF.
57 against Robert Morris.
13 was next best guess. Noel was the only shining person on that team. He's wasn't a scorer though. You did more research than I wanted to. God let that season and the last one just be gone. The S16 and 2nd round loss too
Who gives a **** about recruiting class rankings?
Take a look at the teams winning in any era and you'll see 99% of those teams built their rosters out of 3 and 4 star players.
Juniors and seniors win titles, 5* kids are nothing but kids with NBA potential.