I don't really follow soccer......... but assume this is kinda a big deal?
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Disaster situation...hopefully the fans revolt.
Lol funny that Tottenham thinks they're a big club
Nah- PSG and Bayern. Don't know who the third team will be once the German and French leagues capitulate.
Hopefully this is the last straw for the casual fan. The big clubs think they can do whatever they want to generate more money and no one will care. I won't watch.
Dortmund but I think this will get squashed - total money grab & Uefa has already condemned it by saying players who participate will not be allowed in world cup - you know uefa's money grab
(again, i don't follow the sport) - but why is this bad? wouldn't seeing the best teams play be a good thing?
unlike US Football or basketball or baseball - where clearly those teams and leagues are the very best (even NHL too...)
I see soccer separated into several leagues - where the best teams don't always play...
we love when a good soccer team comes to the US in a visit - don't we?
I'll answer this in two parts:
1. There already is a mechanism for the best teams to play each other. It's called the UEFA Champions League where the best teams from many countries can qualify and then compete for bragging rights (and lots of money) to be the best team in Europe. There's a second tier as well, called the Europa league. These continental leagues run at the same time as the "regular season", so a good analogy would be the NCAA tournament and the NIT running at the same time as the regular conference season, where team performance in the prior year determined their eligibility.
2. The primary criticism of this venture is that it seeks to replace those events with a new tournament where 15 of the 20 teams in the field are contractually guaranteed. Imagine 15 blue blood colleges saying "screw NCAAs or Bowls, we will start our own tournament and let 5 "small" teams qualify to play with us each year. You can still play the old league if you want, but nobody will care because clearly the winner of OUR tournament is really the best.". This is a pretty boldfaced power grab by the clubs that are currently the biggest to guarantee dominance regardless of performance.
It would be the equivalent of the top 15 CFB teams/names forming their own club and saying no one else can play.
I immediately thought of the break up of the Big East when I heard about this and I remember how I felt. All that righteous indignation amounted to nothing. Money talks and UEFA/FIFA are bluffing- at least long term. As long as those clubs stick together, they hold the better cards.
I have heard the Roma might be in the mix. It makes sense, capital city and American ownership. Hoping they get the nod.
Here is why it is bad. Let’s just say numerous countries played equal baseball. The baseball world wants to form a super league so the Dodgers, Cardinals, Red Sox, Yankees and Cubs all leave MLB. Is that good for baseball in the US?
Poor analogy. Baseball has a salary cap, luxury tax, and an amateur draft, among other things. That's why an expansion team can beat the Yankees in the World Series.
Not necessarily. If they are kicked out of their domestic leagues, they will not be able to support themselves on the Super League alone. As currently proposed, it is still a tournament. Once a team is eliminated from the tournament, who do they play? There is no regular season or domestic cup schedule to fall back on.
As a Wolves fan will be hoping these 6 are kicked out of the Premier League if this goes through. Won't be holding my breath though.
As a West Ham fan, if they kick out the "big 6" and remove all the results against those teams, we go the to top of the table! Maybe it is a good idea after all...
I honestly wouldn't mind a league with just the likes of us, Everton, Leicester, Leeds etc. At least we'd have a chance of winning for once. There are plenty of good players out there, they can't all go to the super league.As a West Ham fan, if they kick out the "big 6" and remove all the results against those teams, we go the to top of the table! Maybe it is a good idea after all...
Let's try this as an analogy (not perfect).
Michigan, tOSU, Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Texas, USC and LSU decide to create their own post-season super tournament with the winner being declared the national champion, and say to hell with the current playoff and bowl structure. They qualify for the super tournament every year regardless of their record. Each year, two additional teams are invited to play in the super tournament, but they are not guaranteed a spot next year. The money gets split between all the super tournament teams, and is not shared with the NCAA or the conferences.
In response, the Conference throw those teams out and the NCAA declares that they are not eligible for bowl games. Regular season games for super tournament clubs are eliminated.
Both sides have a lot to lose. With the Super Tournament, you get to see great name matchups every week, but the number of games is limited. You also will have teams at the bottom end of the super league that will be losing consistently- imagine the Notre Dame fan base suffering through multiple 1-8 seasons?
For the surviving football conferences, you lose your marque teams, but the overall league gets much more competitive. The conferences (i.e. BIG 10 Network) also take a big hit in ratings and revenue.
Michigan, tOSU, Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Texas, USC and LSU decide to create their own post-season super tournament with the winner being declared the national champion, and say to hell with the current playoff and bowl structure. They qualify for the super tournament every year regardless of their record. Each year, two additional teams are invited to play in the super tournament, but they are not guaranteed a spot next year. The money gets split between all the super tournament teams, and is not shared with the NCAA or the conferences.
In response, the Conference throw those teams out and the NCAA declares that they are not eligible for bowl games. Regular season games for super tournament clubs are eliminated.
Both sides have a lot to lose. With the Super Tournament, you get to see great name matchups every week, but the number of games is limited. You also will have teams at the bottom end of the super league that will be losing consistently- imagine the Notre Dame fan base suffering through multiple 1-8 seasons?
For the surviving football conferences, you lose your marque teams, but the overall league gets much more competitive. The conferences (i.e. BIG 10 Network) also take a big hit in ratings and revenue.
And how will the remaining domestic league teams support themselves? They are also facing deficits, although smaller than the big clubs because they spend less on staff, and what broadcasting company isn't going to either cancel or demand to renegotiate their television broadcasting deal? You think ESPN wants to pay the same money for Eibar vs. Alaves in La Liga vs. the prospect of Barcelona or Real Madrid vs. anyone? And there are still few to no fans in the stands. They will slit their own fiscal throats sooner than you think.
In Italy, for example, only one club actually owns their own stadium. What kind of hit will all the smaller club and their host cities sustain if you take away the teams the draw in all the fans and sets of eyes watching the tv?
I agree both sides have much to lose, but a least the remaining domestic league clubs have have a league to fall back on. There are plenty of clubs in the Championship (and the rest of the English pyramid) who would be happy to step up and replace the 6 clubs that are leaving. I agree they would need to give up a ton of the TV money, but at least they have games to play. The Super League teams won't have enough games to play to earn the TV money.
Yea it is good for the US. More content and in your example of equal baseball played in other countries a higher level of competition on average.
The biggest criticism is that it's a closed league with a couple spots for qualifying. The beauty of European soccer is everyone has the dream of qualifying to play in Europe, the Champions or Europa League. All spots in those 2 competitions are based off merit, you need to win your league or finish 2nd or 3rd typically with a couple leagues getting 4 spots.
The new Super League takes away the qualifying aspect of the game, therefore making the Premier League pretty much irrelevant if the "big 6" is allowed to compete. Finishing top 4 or Finishing 6 is meaningless and the dream is crushed. The integrity of the Premier League will be questioned because for example, Tottenham my club has no chance of Finishing top 4 this season, but now with the super league, who cares if we finish 15th or 5th because we have our seat at the table guaranteed, and there is no question that we will get a fat check from the super league. It's the American sports model where there is no relegation and no punishment for losing and it doesn't work with soccer.
Best analogy I can think of is picture the MLB,(1 wild card per league system)
Yankees
Twins
Astros
Mets
Cubs
Dodgers
These 6 teams are guaranteed a spot in the playoffs every season, no matter what their record is, whether they win 5 games or 100 they make the playoffs. The rest of the teams in the MLB then compete for 2 playoff spots, and this process is the same every year.
The new Super League takes away the qualifying aspect of the game, therefore making the Premier League pretty much irrelevant if the "big 6" is allowed to compete. Finishing top 4 or Finishing 6 is meaningless and the dream is crushed. The integrity of the Premier League will be questioned because for example, Tottenham my club has no chance of Finishing top 4 this season, but now with the super league, who cares if we finish 15th or 5th because we have our seat at the table guaranteed, and there is no question that we will get a fat check from the super league. It's the American sports model where there is no relegation and no punishment for losing and it doesn't work with soccer.
Best analogy I can think of is picture the MLB,(1 wild card per league system)
Yankees
Twins
Astros
Mets
Cubs
Dodgers
These 6 teams are guaranteed a spot in the playoffs every season, no matter what their record is, whether they win 5 games or 100 they make the playoffs. The rest of the teams in the MLB then compete for 2 playoff spots, and this process is the same every year.
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Yes. And if you made a super conference consisting of Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, and Oregon, Rutgers sports and 90% of the power 5 are irrelevant.
this super league is a nightmare for European soccer on an epic scale. We already have champions league, this just makes it worse
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Since it is European soccer I really don’t give a **** but it’s kind of fun watching them lose their **** over this! 
PS: I’d rather watch an ice hockey match than any kind of soccer
PS: I’d rather watch an ice hockey match than any kind of soccer
Since it is European soccer I really don’t give a **** but it’s kind of fun watching them lose their **** over this!
PS: I’d rather watch an ice hockey match than any kind of soccer
Where in Texas are you again?
Responses to your questions:
1) Premier League is primarily England. It has included two teams from Wales - Cardiff and Swansea. Those teams are currently in the Championship League, which is one level below. They could get promoted back to the Premiership one of these years. But it's just England and Wales. No teams from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
2) PSG (Paris St.Germain) plays in France and Ajax in the Netherlands.
3) The Dutch league is definitely a notch below the Big Four. The French league? Depends on who you're talking to. Some include the French Ligue 1 in the "Big FIve". But if it's a Big Five, Ligue 1 is probably the weakest of the five. Still, that's a very nice pond to be the smallest fish in.
4) None of the Scandinavian leagues, nor the Russian league, are in the class of the Big Four or Five.
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