Frost will turn it around

[CatColumbia]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

 

[ssmill777]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

Let him have his go at it, don't fire anyone this time around. But I am certainly tired of the Kool-Aid and hype. I will believe it when I see it. We have developed a losing culture in Lincoln - once again at mid season all of our goals are out the window except a bowl game, and that's a stretch too.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

The main thing I keep going back to is leadership on the team. It's a young team.

Scott really wants it to be like it used to be back in his days, where the upperclassmen sort of run things with the team. They don't really have that yet. It's a young team, with no one to really follow how it's supposed to be done, and that is probably the biggest issue I can see.

Sure they have to recruit better and play better and all that sort of stuff, but that is just technical things.

From my vantage point, the team falls apart because the internal leadership is not there yet, and that will take a few years before that works like how Scott wants it too.

I thought Vedral did a heck of a job considering the situation last night. Big props to him, as I didn't think much about his game, but really liked seeing how the offense was supposed to be run at such a fast tempo and decisive. We hadn't seen that before.

Our line play is puzzling. I looked at it closer yesterday than ever before, and there are some major issues there. Once again, prob due to younger guys and I have to wonder about the development there.

All in all, it sucks what happened, but there are some positives to be seen in last night's performance.

I do think Frost needs to reign in the aggressiveness on defense.. at least until the offense is more serviceable.

He also needs to take a look at how he uses his players and the play calling. I don't think he is on point there, and so he shoulders some of that blame.

We aren't as bad as we looked.. just some fundamental things.

 

[F5Tornado]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

At the end of the 2022 season, we'll all know by then if Frost and his staff are really getting it done and turned the corner, 5 years is plenty of time to gauge the success or failure under their leadership. If they haven't at least hit the 9 win mark what do you do? Let them hang around for the remainder of his contract and see what happens, or tell them to pound sand? It will be interesting to see how Nebraska football looks at the end of Frost's 5th year.

 

[HominidHusker]

While I’ve been disappointed in the coaches this year, they do still deserve time to develop their players.
Watching the game there’s obvious problems with players not making plays and making mistakes. It can be easy to point to how they’re coached, and I am pointing, but it also has to be seen as a personnel issue.
He inherited a mess of a roster, particularly with several position groups (like most of them).
I want to let Frost build this team up, but it is baffling how consistently bad so many different guys can be and avoid thinking they’re not getting coached up well.

 

[Huskred01]

Frost is performing how I thought he would.

And that’s not a good thing.

 

[Sodakred]

At the end of the 2022 season, we'll all know by then if Frost and his staff are really getting it done and turned the corner, 5 years is plenty of time to gauge the success or failure under their leadership. If they haven't at least hit the 9 win mark what do you do? Let them hang around for the remainder of his contract and see what happens, or tell them to pound sand? It will be interesting to see how Nebraska football looks at the end of Frost's 5th year.

The coaches probably won’t be allowed to hang around to finish the last year or two if things are still horrible. In order to recruit Frost will either have his contract extended by the end of year five or he will be gone.

 

[bshirt73]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

HCSF knows what we desperately need. Endless fluff-ball has just had NU drop to the bottom of the bucket. Losing, losing & more Losing.....he knows what to do about it but it's not a 5 minute task. He'll get there......

"Our offense is going to be committed to the run first," head coach Scott Frost said. "To varying degrees, we've thrown it and run it, but we can't go as an offense, and no one can go as an offense, without establishing the run."

 

[HominidHusker]

I worry about players/recruits jumping ship after this season as we may not have seen the end of embarrassment.

Not looking physically able to keep up in the B1G is something that will take time to fix, but so far we are still short on young talent. The OL issues unfortunately are going to likely linger for another 1-2 years. We need to let him build up the bodies he’s recruited.

Our schedule is tough next year and I’m not certain where we find all the answers in that time. I’m scared to think about skidding downward this year and heading into next year without many new fixes/answers.

 

[Wasker77]

The main thing I keep going back to is leadership on the team. It's a young team.

Scott really wants it to be like it used to be back in his days, where the upperclassmen sort of run things with the team. They don't really have that yet. It's a young team, with no one to really follow how it's supposed to be done, and that is probably the biggest issue I can see.

Sure they have to recruit better and play better and all that sort of stuff, but that is just technical things.

From my vantage point, the team falls apart because the internal leadership is not there yet, and that will take a few years before that works like how Scott wants it too.

I thought Vedral did a heck of a job considering the situation last night. Big props to him, as I didn't think much about his game, but really liked seeing how the offense was supposed to be run at such a fast tempo and decisive. We hadn't seen that before.

Our line play is puzzling. I looked at it closer yesterday than ever before, and there are some major issues there. Once again, prob due to younger guys and I have to wonder about the development there.

All in all, it sucks what happened, but there are some positives to be seen in last night's performance.

I do think Frost needs to reign in the aggressiveness on defense.. at least until the offense is more serviceable.

He also needs to take a look at how he uses his players and the play calling. I don't think he is on point there, and so he shoulders some of that blame.

We aren't as bad as we looked.. just some fundamental things.

I agree. Who are the leaders on this team? I don’t see a player or players who take a stand and say “I am not going to allow my team to fail”. The toughest player this season has been one of the smallest and the youngest. That would be Robinson and now he’s hurt. The Huskers have older players that make fantastic plays. Then too far often these same players make some incredibly stupid mistakes. These mistakes take away any momentum, kill drives or prevent the D from getting off the field.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

could the single great (13-0) season been a "one hit wonder" and perhaps not be representative of the coaching acumen of this staff?

I sure hope we didn't hire the Carly Rae Jepsen or Dexy Midnight Runners of coaching

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I agree. Who are the leaders on this team? I don’t see a player or players who take a stand and say “I am not going to allow my team to fail”. The toughest player this season has been one of the smallest and the youngest. That would be Robinson and now he’s hurt. The Huskers have older players that make fantastic plays. Then too far often these same players make some incredibly stupid mistakes. These mistakes take away any momentum, kill drives or prevent the D from getting off the field.

it's going to take some time to develop that culture.. the good news is, once it is in place, it will feed itself and not need much maintenance. Getting it to that point to start with, needs a lot of work. More work than the staff has been putting into it. I really think that would help more than any other thing they could do right now. invest in teaching leadership skills, and invest in those players that exhibit the ability to lead, regardless of position on the depth chart.

Edit: I wonder how many fights we have had in fall camp? I didn't hear of any.

Typically, that is a good sign for your team.

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

I’ll believe when I see the following progress...
YEAR 2 - Get to a Bowl game in which we win or play well in.

YEARS 3 and 4
- Infusion of younger and better talent
- Better fundamentals in all areas (better blocking, better tackling, better throws, better catching, less turnovers, less penalties)
- Tougher mentality of ALL players, established leadership on the team to hold other players accountable.
- Beating teams we’re supposed to beat CONVINCINGLY.
- Showing up for Big Matchups and don’t get embarrassed on National TV.
- Winning record (8-9 wins minimum).

YEARS 5 and 6 - Continuity of Years 3 and 4
- Consistent play and winning attitude within the program
- Playing at an Elite level (10+ wins)
- Consistently being in a position to win the B1G West
- Playing in The B1G Championship at least one of the years and playing well if not a win

YEAR 7 Plus - Continuity of Years 5 and 6
- Solid program foundation
- Consistently winning the B1G West and in National Championship conversation.

 

[Bullsky]

it's going to take some time to develop that culture.. the good news is, once it is in place, it will feed itself and not need much maintenance. Getting it to that point to start with, needs a lot of work. More work than the staff has been putting into it. I really think that would help more than any other thing they could do right now. invest in teaching leadership skills, and invest in those players that exhibit the ability to lead, regardless of position on the depth chart.

What they need to do right now is work on blocking and tackling.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Keep hearing this.

Myself, I believe he will but that’s just based on my blind faith in him nothing else. We have to give him his due time which is at least 5 years. We must make a bowl game this year. If not, this thing might never get going.

If you do believe Frost will turn this around, what are you basing that belief in?

Hope. The Husker Way.

Looking back, if we could have gotten Oreegron (sp?) as Recruiting Coord/Co-HC and paid up for his *** with Bo as HC, might have been special.

Right now, we have a nice guy pitching a return to Nebraska's bygone years with some cache, needs to go through another round of attrition, and shave.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Didn’t they do that Navy seals program stuff

they did, but it's more than that.. you have to micro manage that process in the beginning. There is no upperclassman to model on a day to day basis, until there is someone to model. There needs to be a group of leaders that need to report in daily if need be, so the coaches have to set the example in the beginning and sort of babysit this along until it is established.

Many people can talk about it, but it's actually quite difficult to teach, unless by example.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

it's going to take some time to develop that culture.. the good news is, once it is in place, it will feed itself and not need much maintenance. Getting it to that point to start with, needs a lot of work. More work than the staff has been putting into it. I really think that would help more than any other thing they could do right now. invest in teaching leadership skills, and invest in those players that exhibit the ability to lead, regardless of position on the depth chart.

Edit: I wonder how many fights we have had in fall camp? I didn't hear of any.

Typically, that is a good sign for your team.

 

[bgclub_rivals293120]

Kool Aid Drinker: Look what Frost did at UCF. In two years they went from winless to undefeated.

Same Kool Aid Drinker: There is no way Frost can get the program turned over in just two years. Wait until he gets his guys and not Mike Riley's.

The majority of husker fans are so desperate to see Nebraska back that they've created a false perspective of Frost. In reality, he has not done anything as a head coach. It's about time to hold him accountable. Enough with the we had awesome practices. Enough with the arrogant statements (we'll be competing for a B1G title by year two).

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

one video isn't enough.. it has to be a daily thing that is cultured and nourished, if you understand what I mean.

I don't know if this is true, but I sometimes wonder if Scott is too nice, too much of a players coach.

You have to be hard on guys. You have to sometimes be mean (but fair). You have to use both the carrot and the stick to get where you want things to be.

 

[SoFL Husker]

could the single great (13-0) season been a "one hit wonder" and perhaps not be representative of the coaching acumen of this staff?

I sure hope we didn't hire the Carly Rae Jepsen or Dexy Midnight Runners of coaching

Completely different circumstances. But they did cash out, which was smart. KaChing!

 

[Redscarlet]

one video isn't enough.. it has to be a daily thing that is cultured and nourished, if you understand what I mean.

I don't know if this is true, but I sometimes wonder if Scott is too nice, too much of a players coach.

You have to be hard on guys. You have to sometimes be mean (but fair). You have to use both the carrot and the stick to get where you want things to be.

And that goes for the rest of his assistant too..

 

[SoFL Husker]

Kool Aid Drinker: Look what Frost did at UCF. In two years they went from winless to undefeated.

Same Kool Aid Drinker: There is no way Frost can get the program turned over in just two years. Wait until he gets his guys and not Mike Riley's.

The majority of husker fans are so desperate to see Nebraska back that they've created a false perspective of Frost. In reality, he has not done anything as a head coach. It's about time to hold him accountable. Enough with the we had awesome practices. Enough with the arrogant statements (we'll be competing for a B1G title by year two).

What do you want to do, buy him out? Lol

Let's make him run laps or do push-ups and go to detention for 6 months.

Delusional

 

[SnohomishRed]

The thing that most concerns me is this:

Its one thing to suck and know you suck, but when you suck and you think you are going to be good its a problem. If Frost had said look we have a long way to go and this is a process and be patient, the fans would have followed his lead. Instead he says ' we are better in every aspect" and that the team is embracing expectations.

It makes me wonder what he sees that is not leading to production during games

 

[SoFL Husker]

And that goes for the rest of his assistant too..

He's not going to yell at his players, we knew this, he won't do it.

 

[SoFL Husker]

The thing that most concerns me is this:

Its one thing to suck and know you suck, but when you suck and you think you are going to be good its a problem. If Frost had said look we have a long way to go and this is a process and be patient, the fans would have followed his lead. Instead he says ' we are better in every aspect" and that the team is embracing expectations.

It makes me wonder what he sees that is not leading to production during games

If anything, Frost is/was like me on a Friday, drunk on expectations, then Saturday rolls along and the guys play up to their potential.

Why did Urban leave FL, Jimbo leave FSU, and Carroll leave USC, what was a big reason there? They saw opportunity and legacy recruiting classes that were not as good as before.

Frost just needs to embrace it and flip the roster, again.

 

[HuskerLove]

I’ll admit I’m in the population of people who thought the momentum from last year would carryover, but it’s blatantly obvious I was wrong. This team is young and mind-blowingly inconsistent.

The next 3 years are going to be rough as we stockpile talented depth, but year 5 should be where we really start to see the growth and progress of our team.

Stockpile the booze and try to remain patient until then....

 

[artguy68]

Hope. The Husker Way.

Looking back, if we could have gotten Oreegron (sp?) as Recruiting Coord/Co-HC and paid up for his *** with Bo as HC, might have been special.

Right now, we have a nice guy pitching a return to Nebraska's bygone years with some cache, needs to go through another round of attrition, and shave.

The guy who took a perennial FCS powerhouse and turned them into a 4-7 team last year, followed by a team tied for last place in the MVFC? Sure thing.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

one video isn't enough.. it has to be a daily thing that is cultured and nourished, if you understand what I mean.

I don't know if this is true, but I sometimes wonder if Scott is too nice, too much of a players coach.

You have to be hard on guys. You have to sometimes be mean (but fair). You have to use both the carrot and the stick to get where you want things to be.

agree ... it appears they need high level coaching ... I guess I assumed that this would be included in the 5 million dollar (top 10 national) package that we purchased

 

[Harry Caray]

I agree. Who are the leaders on this team? I don’t see a player or players who take a stand and say “I am not going to allow my team to fail”. The toughest player this season has been one of the smallest and the youngest. That would be Robinson and now he’s hurt. The Huskers have older players that make fantastic plays. Then too far often these same players make some incredibly stupid mistakes. These mistakes take away any momentum, kill drives or prevent the D from getting off the field.

It starts with the QB, he has to be the vocal leader of the team. Martinez is not a leader.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Tom wasn't a big yeller either, but he had assistants, and actually upperclassman do all the yelling. You can see there is a hole there currently.. the yelling or stick needs to be a part of the equation, and it isn't right now.

I would rather wait until the end of the season and pressure any returning Sr. who isn't going to see the field to hit the road. Any Jr. who has no chance to play in the next 2 years the same. Why yell at a guy who has had multiple HCs trying to buy into a new system? Be nice, then clean house.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Completely different circumstances. But they did cash out, which was smart. KaChing!

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

It starts with the QB, he has to be the vocal leader of the team. Martinez is not a leader.

I'm going to give one good thing I heard about Martinez this week.

Vedral was asked what Adrian had to say, and he gave him the advice to "just do you out there". Vedral thought it was good advice, and I do too. That is a moment where Adrian did/said the right thing.

I think Adrian can learn from watching how Vedral commanded and operated the team as well.

 

[Dadmaster]

Kool Aid Drinker: Look what Frost did at UCF. In two years they went from winless to undefeated.

Same Kool Aid Drinker: There is no way Frost can get the program turned over in just two years. Wait until he gets his guys and not Mike Riley's.

The majority of husker fans are so desperate to see Nebraska back that they've created a false perspective of Frost. In reality, he has not done anything as a head coach. It's about time to hold him accountable. Enough with the we had awesome practices. Enough with the arrogant statements (we'll be competing for a B1G title by year two).

Frost has proven absolutely nothing so far...except his inability to motivate his team and IMO poor play calling (ie how many times do we have to try to run up the middle when it has not work the previous 500 times?).

He is held accountable simply because he is the head coach (I don't know what you guys mean by "hold him accountable"....he already is).

All I really am looking for...and I think most fans are as well...show some positive progress! Seems as though that is really lacking in most areas ( I do think the defensive backs are better and the defensive line has its moments). The offense looks uninspired and lackadaisical and honestly unskilled. On top of that Frost has not shown any ability to motivate this team.

Looks as though a bowl game is going to be a stretch for this team. BUT...it has to happen and Frost needs to find a way for it to happen....by any means available.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I would rather wait until the end of the season and pressure any returning Sr. who isn't going to see the field to hit the road. Any Jr. who has no chance to play in the next 2 years the same. Why yell at a guy who has had multiple HCs trying to buy into a new system? Be nice, then clean house.

you make a good point. I thought they had cleaned house and turned over the roster already, but it still remains you have to develop those guys into junior and seniors.

Many successful programs back in the day, you didn't see the field until your junior year. A lot happens between 18-22 and until we have a majority of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, it's hard to be really dominant.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Frost has proven absolutely nothing so far...except his inability to motivate his team and IMO poor play calling (ie how many times do we have to try to run up the middle when it has not work the previous 500 times?).

He is held accountable simply because he is the head coach (I don't know what you guys mean by "hold him accountable"....he already is).

All I really am looking for...and I think most fans are as well...show some positive progress! Seems as though that is really lacking in most areas ( I do think the defensive backs are better and the defensive line has its moments). The offense looks uninspired and lackadaisical and honestly unskilled. On top of that Frost has not shown any ability to motivate this team.

Looks as though a bowl game is going to be a stretch for this team. BUT...it has to happen and Frost needs to find a way for it to happen....by any means available.

I would like to see more I formation and under center snaps, ditch his Oregon/UCF playbook and develop a more hybrid approach. If he continues to push his offensive agenda at Nebraska, he might fail miserably. I think he has to be open-minded enough to see this. And shave.

 

[artguy68]

Here's the reality: Frost is still exactly who we need. He loved the state and the team, and will stay here no matter what. He understand the traditions that made us great, and he has the adoration of every Nebraska HS football coach. He has seen how to make the walk-on program successful, and how to use strength training to transform players into physical specimens. He has also seen how to recruit in hotbed areas, and generate excitement in young people. So far he has been struggling, on the field and somewhat in recruiting. But this is our guy. Nebraska has to stop the coaching carousel.

Consider the alternative: we bring in yet another coach with yet another system and another clump of "transition" years. He will either struggle or succeed. If he succeeds, he will then move on to a better program. Guys without strong ties to Nebraska have no reason to stay when the elite programs come knocking. If he struggles, we start the whole system over again.

 

[SoFL Husker]

you make a good point. I thought they had cleaned house and turned over the roster already, but it still remains you have to develop those guys into junior and seniors.

Many successful programs back in the day, you didn't see the field until your junior year. A lot happens between 18-22 and until we have a majority of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, it's hard to be really dominant.

Not sure how it works, but returning Jrs and Srs are legacy recruits, and if this is a biz and they are not going to see the field, why do they get to keep their schollies when Frost can go out and get new younger guys for 4-5 years out?

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Not sure how it works, but returning Jrs and Srs are legacy recruits, and if this is a biz and they are not going to see the field, why do they get to keep their schollies when Frost can go out and get new younger guys for 4-5 years out?

this is why I think it will take a couple years to develop into a team of juniors and seniors, Scotts recruits. It's going to get better for sure, these are just growing pains.

 

[Harry Caray]

this is why I think it will take a couple years to develop into a team of juniors and seniors, Scotts recruits. It's going to get better for sure, these are just growing pains.

Almost alf of Scott's first recruiting class isn't even here anymore, or didn't qualify: Smith, Jones, Bell, Dixon, Jackson, McGriff, Watt, Canty, LeGrone, Hunt. A couple others are JUCOs who will be graduating without contributing (Williams & Woodyard). All of the highest-ranked recruits from the 2017 class are gone (Gebbia, Johnson, Roberts, Thomas, Lindsey) or have been busts (McQuitty).

Hopefully the 2019 class doesn't have similar attrition. It's hard to develop a team when your best athletes don't stick around for more than a year.

 

[cHUCK001]

I'm going to give one good thing I heard about Martinez this week.

Vedral was asked what Adrian had to say, and he gave him the advice to "just do you out there". Vedral thought it was good advice, and I do too. That is a moment where Adrian did/said the right thing.

I think Adrian can learn from watching how Vedral commanded and operated the team as well.

Unfortunately, the rest of the team took that advice as well.