Frost Quote: Caution

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

 

[timnsun]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

Frost feels good about our guys. But he’s also good at coach-speak.

We have a long way to go to catch some teams in our league. I think that means some teams in the east, like Michigan, Ohio State...

We’ll be good this year.

 

[Ewooc]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

Im sure much of that is coach talk. If there is truth to it he means Mich and Ohio St. Not Iowa and Wisc.

 

[Hugo_Stiglitz7]

Im sure much of that is coach talk. If there is truth to it he means Mich and Ohio St. Not Iowa and Wisc.

I would say from an overall "eyeball test" and overall talent: OSU, Mich, PSU, maybe Wisc.

Greater than or equal to the rest of the league. In less than 2 short weeks, we will have a much clearer picture.

GBR

 

[F5Tornado]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

He's keeping it real. First game first, let's see how they do with S Alabama.

 

[Headcard]

When I read it I took at as results based. We went 4-8 last year, so obviously we have some work to do to catch the best teams in out league.

 

[Lincoln100]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

No way this is true. Fake news

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

We have the talent - facilities etc etc to win the west on a consistent basis starting this year. I think we have the coaching to do so as well, but that remains to be seen.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

When I read it I took at as results based. We went 4-8 last year, so obviously we have some work to do to catch the best teams in out league.

Good Point, I can now continue to wear my rose colored glasses.

 

[Ewooc]

We have the talent - facilities etc etc to win the west on a consistent basis starting this year. I think we have the coaching to do so as well, but that remains to be seen.

Biggest concern is the D. So far at UCF and last year he has not put out a top level D. Last year ranked 89th. 2017-53rd. 2016-44th. While a 40th ranked D worked ok in the AAC. Im not 100% sure it will work in the BIG10. Many teams like Mich, Ohio St, Wisc have top 20 Ds most years. I think Frost will need to get to that point as well to make that jump.

 

[TheBeav815]

I would say from an overall "eyeball test" and overall talent: OSU, Mich, PSU, maybe Wisc.

Greater than or equal to the rest of the league. In less than 2 short weeks, we will have a much clearer picture.

GBR

NU hasn't come anywhere close to recruiting like OSU, Michigan and PSU in any year, let alone for the last 4-5 years straight to have upperclassmen who are on par with those rosters. And while the recruiting has topped a lot of other teams in the league, the attrition of top signees has been heavy.

I like the direction NU's recruiting is trending but the best class they have is 18 year old kids right now. A lot of guys from last year's class aren't around any more so if you were re-ranking classes that one would slide quite a bit. Same with Riley's best class, the top names out of that group aren't in Lincoln any more.

I think it's moving in the right direction but we have to realize what a young team this is. There will be a lot of guys on the 2-deep where it's their first or second season of really being out there. Especially on offense. Scott knows what he's saying.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Biggest concern is the D. So far at UCF and last year he has not put out a top level D. Last year ranked 89th. 2017-53rd. 2016-44th. While a 40th ranked D worked ok in the AAC. Im not 100% sure it will work in the BIG10. Many teams like Mich, Ohio St, Wisc have top 20 Ds most years. I think Frost will need to get to that point as well to make that jump.

We have the 3rd highest paid def coord in the conference behind OSU and Michigan. With that kind of money the list of potential def coord was long - Frost chose his guy - money wasn’t an issue. The defense isn’t an excuse.

 

[HuskerO58]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

"Some teams" meaning Ohio St and Michigan for sure. Probably throw in Penn St and Wisconsin too.

We'll catch up the Wiscy & PSU within the next year or so.

 

[oldjar07]

NU hasn't come anywhere close to recruiting like OSU, Michigan and PSU in any year, let alone for the last 4-5 years straight to have upperclassmen who are on par with those rosters. And while the recruiting has topped a lot of other teams in the league, the attrition of top signees has been heavy.

I like the direction NU's recruiting is trending but the best class they have is 18 year old kids right now. A lot of guys from last year's class aren't around any more so if you were re-ranking classes that one would slide quite a bit. Same with Riley's best class, the top names out of that group aren't in Lincoln any more.

I think it's moving in the right direction but we have to realize what a young team this is. There will be a lot of guys on the 2-deep where it's their first or second season of really being out there. Especially on offense. Scott knows what he's saying.

PSU was on sanctions, so I don't think their upperclassmen should have been that much better than ours. Michigan usually recruits around 15-20. 3 or 4 years ago they were pulling in top 10 classes but most of their good players already left for the NFL. OSU is the only one that's consistently been recruiting at an elite level. Even then, their defense looked small and we were able to put up yards on them. I don't buy that their recruiting is so much better that we shouldn't be able to compete with them.

 

[timnsun]

PSU was on sanctions, so I don't think their upperclassmen should have been that much better than ours. Michigan usually recruits around 15-20. 3 or 4 years ago they were pulling in top 10 classes but most of their good players already left for the NFL. OSU is the only one that's consistently been recruiting at an elite level. Even then, their defense looked small and we were able to put up yards on them. I don't buy that their recruiting is so much better that we shouldn't be able to compete with them.

2016 - 4th
2017 - 4th
2018 -24th
2019 - 10th

Penn State:

2016 - 21st
2017 - 12th
2018 - 5th
2019 - 11th

Nebraska, by comparison:

2016 - 24th
2017 - 20th
2018 - 21st
2019 - 15th

Along with these stats, Nebraska has lacked the cohesiveness of a coaching staff. We will be challenging those schools much more if we can maintain a cohesive staff. Finally, the attrition has hit Nebraska harder than these other schools... so not only are our recruiting classes not as good, we have fewer of those top recruits who have stuck around.

We will get there, but let’s be realistic about talent. Michigan averages 10th ranked class over 4 years, Penn State averages 12th ranked class over 4 years, Nebraska averages 20th over 4 years.

We aren’t equal to them in recruiting. Not yet at least.

 

[oldjar07]

2016 - 4th
2017 - 4th
2018 -24th
2019 - 10th

Penn State:

2016 - 21st
2017 - 12th
2018 - 5th
2019 - 11th

Nebraska, by comparison:

2016 - 24th
2017 - 20th
2018 - 21st
2019 - 15th

Along with these stats, Nebraska has lacked the cohesiveness of a coaching staff. We will be challenging those schools much more if we can maintain a cohesive staff. Finally, the attrition has hit Nebraska harder than these other schools... so not only are our recruiting classes not as good, we have fewer of those top recruits who have stuck around.

We will get there, but let’s be realistic about talent. Michigan averages 10th ranked class over 4 years, Penn State averages 12th ranked class over 4 years, Nebraska averages 20th over 4 years.

We aren’t equal to them in recruiting. Not yet at least.

So what do recruiting classes for 2016-2019 have to do with upperclassmen in past years?

 

[timnsun]

So what do recruiting classes for 2016-2019 have to do with upperclassmen in past years?

Not sure I follow. These are the guys on campus now. What do past years have to do with our talent level now?

You’re gonna have to help me understand, because I obviously missed the point you were making previously.

 

[oldjar07]

Not sure I follow. These are the guys on campus now. What do past years have to do with our talent level now?

You’re gonna have to help me understand, because I obviously missed the point you were making previously.

Most of the studs in Michigan's 2016 class are gone already. Penn State's 2018 class aren't upperclassmen. Plus we really don't know how good either team will be this year. Saying their upperclassmen are better just because of recruiting rankings is asinine.

 

[the vulcan]

I think that player development is a critical factor as we have learned in the past 20 years. No one can say that SF doesn't get way more from his players than the recruiting numbers would indicate. Further, tOSU has a new coach and that is not likely to bode well for their high level of talent. If SF gets this young team to the B1G championship against Michigan or PSU, both would have the advantage over NU, except that SF seems sharper in play calling, but we'll see.

 

[timnsun]

Most of the studs in Michigan's 2016 class are gone already. Penn State's 2018 class aren't upperclassmen. Plus we really don't know how good either team will be this year. Saying their upperclassmen are better just because of recruiting rankings is asinine.

Oh, so you want to talk upperclassmen... makes my job easier. I’ll take 2016 and 2017 recruiting classes then. Our upperclassmen average a rank of 22... and we lost a ton of them to attrition due to coaching changes. Their upperclassmen average 4... and yes, some went pro early. Let me say it again... 4, versus 22... yeah, I’m the one talking out of my butt.

Someone here is being asinine, but it isn’t me.

EDIT: of course, what I just posted is Michigan. If you throw in Penn State, the recruiting edge isn’t as pronounced. 16th to 22nd. Is their attrition as bad as ours? I don’t know...

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

how Michigan/PSU and even OSU (even though they are on the schedule) have recruited will play zero role in who wins the west this year.
We have at least equal talent with Iowa, NW and Wisconsin.

With talent being ~ equal, wins come down to schedule (home versus away) and coaching,
Those 3 games are all in Lincoln.

The big ten west is the only power 5 division that does not have a team that recruits at a high level

 

[SnohomishRed]

I think that player development is a critical factor as we have learned in the past 20 years. No one can say that SF doesn't get way more from his players than the recruiting numbers would indicate. Further, tOSU has a new coach and that is not likely to bode well for their high level of talent. If SF gets this young team to the B1G championship against Michigan or PSU, both would have the advantage over NU, except that SF seems sharper in play calling, but we'll see.

After watching Frost and listening to him on how they are running the program, I am happy with the program. That may not mean the wins will be what what we want right away but I am content with how they are going about the hunt for titles

 

[inWV]

NU hasn't come anywhere close to recruiting like OSU, Michigan and PSU in any year, let alone for the last 4-5 years straight to have upperclassmen who are on par with those rosters. And while the recruiting has topped a lot of other teams in the league, the attrition of top signees has been heavy.

2019
OSU #4 in the B1G, 1 5*, 10 4*
NU #3 in the B1G, 11 4*
2018
MU #4 in the B1G, 7 4*, 11 3*
NU #3 in the B1G, 9 4*, 15 3*

In both instances, tOSU and MU had smallish classes, but NU was right with them in the signing of blue chip talent. Frost didn't load up on 3* talent, ala the Bo class of 2008 when he signed 25/28 guys who were 3*s and below.
In just over 18 months, Frost has pretty much flipped the roster and has added talent to it. Does Frost have the upperclassmen talent of the top East programs per recruiting rankings? No, but the addition of the elder Daniels and Noa at WR are pretty nice. Is the talent he does have more prepared to compete with these teams compared to 2 years ago. In all probability, yes.

 

[oldjar07]

Oh, so you want to talk upperclassmen... makes my job easier. I’ll take 2016 and 2017 recruiting classes then. Our upperclassmen average a rank of 22... and we lost a ton of them to attrition due to coaching changes. Their upperclassmen average 4... and yes, some went pro early. Let me say it again... 4, versus 22... yeah, I’m the one talking out of my butt.

Someone here is being asinine, but it isn’t me.

EDIT: of course, what I just posted is Michigan. If you throw in Penn State, the recruiting edge isn’t as pronounced. 16th to 22nd. Is their attrition as bad as ours? I don’t know...

Why don't you add the 2015 class where Michigan ranked around 50. I guess that wouldn't fit your agenda would it? We don't even know what's going to happen this year so it's kind of dumb to analyze something we know nothing about.

As upperclassmen, we have JD Spielman, DiCaprio Bootle, Lamar Jackson, Deontai Williams, Carlos Davis, Boe Wilson, Mills, Tyrin Ferguson, and Mo Barry who figure to be impact players/starters. That doesn't even include guys who are situational players who may wind up starting as well and may turn out to be impact players too. It also doesn't include talented freshman and sophomores who may end up getting a lot of playing time. Teams like Michigan and PSU have just as many question marks as we do. Michigan lost a lot of talent on defense that they'll have to replace. Penn State has lost a very talented qb and some running backs that they'll have to replace. As long as our team continues to get better our upperclassmen look just fine to me and I like where our roster is at.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Biggest concern is the D. So far at UCF and last year he has not put out a top level D. Last year ranked 89th. 2017-53rd. 2016-44th. While a 40th ranked D worked ok in the AAC. Im not 100% sure it will work in the BIG10. Many teams like Mich, Ohio St, Wisc have top 20 Ds most years. I think Frost will need to get to that point as well to make that jump.

Big 10 teams also have highly ranked teams because:

1. The big 10 has weaker offenses...especially compared to the pac 10 and big 12. Playing OU, Okie state, Texas, TCU week after week if going to lead to some lopsided numbers, especially when you start to have injuries. I mean Iowa played two decent offenses all year and gave up 28 at home in both games.
2. Big 10 has crappy weather....the Michigan state is a perfect example...that one game lowered our scoring defense dramatically just because it was storming, otherwise we are sure to give up at least 30.
3. Yardage stats are garbage...lets say you have a crappy return team and start every drive inside the 25...you will have to travel 25% farther than a team with a good return team to score the same number of points. What about punter...if your punter can pin a team they have to travel 25% farther to score...also PPG can lie...lets say we are up 30-0 against alabama blah blah, and put our backups in and win 38-24...that looks close...or lets say Indiana loses their starting qb mid game and we just wreck...both of those scores are misleading to the quality of the team.

4. Frost is copying the Oregon team that was a few seconds from winning a national title. That team wasn't very good statistically on defense, but in the NC game they were stingy. The point is to win every game, basic stats like offense and defensive numbers are a complete lie. And PPG is heavily reliant on situations like weather, health of opponent, road schedule...last years defense gave up 56 ppg in their last 4 of 2017...the defense was still a sieve but I would maintain it was on par with the much more talented defense of 2008, at least schematically.

 

[timnsun]

Why don't you add the 2015 class where Michigan ranked around 50. I guess that wouldn't fit your agenda would it? We don't even know what's going to happen this year so it's kind of dumb to analyze something we know nothing about.

As upperclassmen, we have JD Spielman, DiCaprio Bootle, Lamar Jackson, Deontai Williams, Carlos Davis, Boe Wilson, Mills, Tyrin Ferguson, and Mo Barry who figure to be impact players/starters. That doesn't even include guys who are situational players who may wind up starting as well and may turn out to be impact players too. It also doesn't include talented freshman and sophomores who may end up getting a lot of playing time. Teams like Michigan and PSU have just as many question marks as we do. Michigan lost a lot of talent on defense that they'll have to replace. Penn State has lost a very talented qb and some running backs that they'll have to replace. As long as our team continues to get better our upperclassmen look just fine to me and I like where our roster is at.

You’re the one with an agenda here. You are saying we are virtually equal to Michigan and Penn State when the rankings don’t bear that out. From our 2015 class we have 5 players who will start or see playing time. That’s it. Over half of the names you list above are 2016 or later. Only 3 are from the 2015 class in your list of names... Barry, Davis and Ferguson. The rest of your list above is 2016 or later, which is what I focused on. The reason Michigan was so low in 2015 is because they only had 14 recruits. We had 21 recruits and only one 4 star recruit who is still on the team. Michigan had 6 4 star players recruited for 2015. Maybe they are all gone, I don’t know, but to say we should count 2015 as well and then list more significant contributors from 2016 and later to support your argument is disingenuous. Thats why I left 2015 off. 5 players from 2015 will start or see considerable playing time. 5 out of 21 in 2015 class.

So, yeah, let’s really prop up our 2015 class as being so much better than Michigan’s 2015 class. Face it. Our talent isn’t at michigan’s level, no matter how much you wish it was.

I’m tired of you saying we are every bit as good as Michigan and Penn State when we are not. Can we get there? Sure. But are we there now? Nope. Both of those schools have had more recruiting success every year the last 4 years than Nebraska, more NFL picks, far more wins, but because you can name upperclassmen for Nebraska who will start that means we are more talented, I guess that makes us better.

Now, where we agree... I think we are seeing major upgrades in our talent levels. I like where we are at as well. I can’t put our talent on the same level as Michigan and Penn State. The metrics don’t support that at all.

 

[yort2000]

From 247sports 2018 college football team talent. (They do not have it updated for 2019 yet).

Talent still on roster for 2018 season:

tOSU 5* 11, 4* 55
MU 5* 4, 4* 40
PSU 5* 4, 4* 37
Maryland 5* 2, 4* 17
NU 5* 0, 4* 17

I don't know how anyone could try and argue that Nebraska is anywhere near the talent level of tOSU, MU, or PSU . Nebraska is barely keeping up with Maryland.

For 2019, NU has 19 4*s, so HCSF hasn't really upped the bluechip ratio much so far.

 

[Ewooc]

NU hasn't come anywhere close to recruiting like OSU, Michigan and PSU in any year, let alone for the last 4-5 years straight to have upperclassmen who are on par with those rosters[/B]. And while the recruiting has topped a lot of other teams in the league, the attrition of top signees has been heavy.

I like the direction NU's recruiting is trending but the best class they have is 18 year old kids right now. A lot of guys from last year's class aren't around any more so if you were re-ranking classes that one would slide quite a bit. Same with Riley's best class, the top names out of that group aren't in Lincoln any more.

I think it's moving in the right direction but we have to realize what a young team this is. There will be a lot of guys on the 2-deep where it's their first or second season of really being out there. Especially on offense. Scott knows what he's saying.

While yes we aren't close to Ohio st recruiting the last 5 years( 5th rank avg). Michigan (16th) Penn St (14th) we aren't as far behind as one would imagine. We have averaged 24th the last 5 years. In my opinion 10 spot recruiting difference can be effected one way or the other by good coaching. We have enough talent to compete and play with Michigan and Penn St. As we saw last year we have enough to play with Ohio St too but probably not consistently year to year. If we want to become a National Title contender we have to be able to recruit top 10 classes.

 

[oldjar07]

You’re the one with an agenda here. You are saying we are virtually equal to Michigan and Penn State when the rankings don’t bear that out. From our 2015 class we have 5 players who will start or see playing time. That’s it. Over half of the names you list above are 2016 or later. Only 3 are from the 2015 class in your list of names... Barry, Davis and Ferguson. The rest of your list above is 2016 or later, which is what I focused on. The reason Michigan was so low in 2015 is because they only had 14 recruits. We had 21 recruits and only one 4 star recruit who is still on the team. Michigan had 6 4 star players recruited for 2015. Maybe they are all gone, I don’t know, but to say we should count 2015 as well and then list more significant contributors from 2016 and later to support your argument is disingenuous. Thats why I left 2015 off. 5 players from 2015 will start or see considerable playing time. 5 out of 21 in 2015 class.

So, yeah, let’s really prop up our 2015 class as being so much better than Michigan’s 2015 class. Face it. Our talent isn’t at michigan’s level, no matter how much you wish it was.

I’m tired of you saying we are every bit as good as Michigan and Penn State when we are not. Can we get there? Sure. But are we there now? Nope. Both of those schools have had more recruiting success every year the last 4 years than Nebraska, more NFL picks, far more wins, but because you can name upperclassmen for Nebraska who will start that means we are more talented, I guess that makes us better.

Now, where we agree... I think we are seeing major upgrades in our talent levels. I like where we are at as well. I can’t put our talent on the same level as Michigan and Penn State. The metrics don’t support that at all.

We're going to have to beat teams that have a higher recruiting ranking than us if we're going to have any success. I don't care about recruiting rankings, I look at play on the field. And with what I see on the field, those names I mentioned have the talent and potential to be good football players. There's several more that I didn't mention that have that potential as well. Now will they reach that potential? I don't know, a lot of that is determined by coaching and how dedicated the player is to getting better.

Deontai Williams is just a 3 star, but he has more talent than just about anybody on the roster. The dude is just a playmaker. There are plenty of 3 star players that have just as much or more talent than 4 star players. Recruiting rankings do not equal talent like you think they do. We have more than enough talent on the roster to compete with Michigan and Penn State.

And your attempt to leave the 2015 class off is just laughable. We're talking about upperclassmen in 2019, and that includes 5 starters from the 2015 class but you want to leave them off? Oh that's right you only left it off because Michigan had a bad class, I wonder why you'd do that?

 

[oldjar07]

While yes we aren't close to Ohio st recruiting the last 5 years( 5th rank avg). Michigan (16th) Penn St (14th) we aren't as far behind as one would imagine. We have averaged 24th the last 5 years. In my opinion 10 spot recruiting difference can be effected one way or the other by good coaching. We have enough talent to compete and play with Michigan and Penn St. As we saw last year we have enough to play with Ohio St too but probably not consistently year to year. If we want to become a National Title contender we have to be able to recruit top 10 classes.

We should expect to be able to play with anybody on our schedule. We should expect to win a good percentage of the time against teams like Michigan and PSU. We should expect to keep it close and have a chance of winning against teams like Ohio State. Our offense is already better than most of those teams with higher recruiting rankings. Why can't our defense do the same?

 

[oldjar07]

From 247sports 2018 college football team talent. (They do not have it updated for 2019 yet).

Talent still on roster for 2018 season:

tOSU 5* 11, 4* 55
MU 5* 4, 4* 40
PSU 5* 4, 4* 37
Maryland 5* 2, 4* 17
NU 5* 0, 4* 17

I don't know how anyone could try and argue that Nebraska is anywhere near the talent level of tOSU, MU, or PSU . Nebraska is barely keeping up with Maryland.

For 2019, NU has 19 4*s, so HCSF hasn't really upped the bluechip ratio much so far.

There's little difference between a 5.7 3* which we have a lot of and most 4 star players. We have plenty of talent to compete with MU, PSU, and Ohio State.

 

[timnsun]

Oldjar has spoken, everyone, Time to shut this thread down. We should win the big 10 every year moving forward. Stars don’t matter. Talent is according to oldjar. From here on out, when I want to know who has more talent, I’m gonna look at oldjars website because he has it all figured out.

Can you please provide a link to your website? You obviously know more than rivals, 247, ESPN, and all the rest. Thank you for your dedication to these players and making sure that in spite of the other recruiting sites’ distinct advantage to Michigan and Penn State as it relates to talent, you correctly identify Nebraska as having the best recruits.

Just because Michigan has 44 4&5 star players and PSU has 41 4&5 star players they aren’t as good as nebraska’s 17 4 star players on the roster. We have a whole rash of 3 star players that Would bury their 4 and 5 star players. Oldjar says so. (Thanks @yort2000 for your work with this)

You are a piece of work.

 

[oldjar07]

Oldjar has spoken, everyone, Time to shut this thread down. We should win the big 10 every year moving forward. Stars don’t matter. Talent is according to oldjar. From here on out, when I want to know who has more talent, I’m gonna look at oldjars website because he has it all figured out.

Can you please provide a link to your website? You obviously know more than rivals, 247, ESPN, and all the rest. Thank you for your dedication to these players and making sure that in spite of the other recruiting sites’ distinct advantage to Michigan and Penn State as it relates to talent, you correctly identify Nebraska as having the best recruits.

Just because Michigan has 44 4&5 star players and PSU has 41 4&5 star players they aren’t as good as nebraska’s 17 4 star players on the roster. We have a whole rash of 3 star players that Would bury their 4 and 5 star players. Oldjar says so. (Thanks @yort2000 for your work with this)

You are a piece of work.

Once a player gets to college, recruiting rankings don't mean anything. I judge somebody's talent by their actual play on the field in college. It's pretty obvious even for most casual fans to tell which players have it and which players don't. I saw a lot of good things out of some of the younger guys last year who are now pushing for starting roles and will likely be better than the guys they replaced. I don't care what some arbitrary number is assigned to a player according to their junior year in high school. I go by the results I see on the field.

Last year I would have agreed with you, Michigan had a lot more talent than us. But they lost a lot of that talent, and we added a lot of talent in just 1 year so I think we're pretty even in talent compared to Michigan now.

 

[timnsun]

Once a player gets to college, recruiting rankings don't mean anything. I judge somebody's talent by their actual play on the field in college. It's pretty obvious even for most casual fans to tell which players have it and which players don't. I saw a lot of good things out of some of the younger guys last year who are now pushing for starting roles and will likely be better than the guys they replaced. I don't care what some arbitrary number is assigned to a player according to their junior year in high school. I go by the results I see on the field.

Last year I would have agreed with you, Michigan had a lot more talent than us. But they lost a lot of that talent, and we added a lot of talent in just 1 year so I think we're pretty even in talent compared to Michigan now.

So if we happen to make it to the CCG and play Michigan and lose, they have superior coaching. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Oldjar has spoken, everyone, Time to shut this thread down. We should win the big 10 every year moving forward. Stars don’t matter. Talent is according to oldjar. From here on out, when I want to know who has more talent, I’m gonna look at oldjars website because he has it all figured out.

Can you please provide a link to your website? You obviously know more than rivals, 247, ESPN, and all the rest. Thank you for your dedication to these players and making sure that in spite of the other recruiting sites’ distinct advantage to Michigan and Penn State as it relates to talent, you correctly identify Nebraska as having the best recruits.

Just because Michigan has 44 4&5 star players and PSU has 41 4&5 star players they aren’t as good as nebraska’s 17 4 star players on the roster. We have a whole rash of 3 star players that Would bury their 4 and 5 star players. Oldjar says so. (Thanks @yort2000 for your work with this)

You are a piece of work.

After 4 recruiting cycles we'll have 25-30 4 stars on the roster as attrition won't be as high for Frost...that is enough to win with a niche offense and opportunist defense.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Once a player gets to college, recruiting rankings don't mean anything. I judge somebody's talent by their actual play on the field in college. It's pretty obvious even for most casual fans to tell which players have it and which players don't. I saw a lot of good things out of some of the younger guys last year who are now pushing for starting roles and will likely be better than the guys they replaced. I don't care what some arbitrary number is assigned to a player according to their junior year in high school. I go by the results I see on the field.

Last year I would have agreed with you, Michigan had a lot more talent than us. But they lost a lot of that talent, and we added a lot of talent in just 1 year so I think we're pretty even in talent compared to Michigan now.

I have to side with Timnsun on this one.

I don't care what Michigan lost, they added 13 4 stars and 2 five stars. Nebraska added 11 4 stars. 15>11. Considering we only had 17 on last year's roster, assuming we lost none, we would have 28. For Michigan to only have 28 4 and 5 stars, they would have had to lose 27 4 and 5 star players from last year.

If you go by results on the field, Michigan 56 Nebraska 10. That was the last time you saw the two teams matched up.

As far as your observation that you saw a lot of good things out of the younger guys and will likely be better than their predecessors, Michigan, Penn St and Ohio St may have that too. Did you watch everyone of their games and determine that the only players worthy of the "Oldjar 5 star rating" have all left the programs? Every school in America recruits players every year with hopes that they are or will be better than the person they will eventually replace.

 

[timnsun]

After 4 recruiting cycles we'll have 25-30 4 stars on the roster as attrition won't be as high for Frost...that is enough to win with a niche offense and opportunist defense.

I have no problem with this... the problem is we aren’t there yet.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

After 4 recruiting cycles we'll have 25-30 4 stars on the roster as attrition won't be as high for Frost...that is enough to win with a niche offense and opportunist defense.

And Michigan, Ohio St and Penn St will still have 45-50.

Define win. Win 9 games per year? Win big ten west titles? big ten titles? CFP titles?

I agree that this offense can get you to 9 wins every year, and a defense that creates some takeaways can get you to 10. But wins 11-15 are going to be against teams with elite talent. Winning half of those games will be a huge undertaking.

 

[red scowl]

Hold the Kool Aid this year too?

6. Frost played for a man (Tom Osborne) who was very conservative in praising players, particularly newcomers. Frost takes a different approach. But he'll occasionally slip in a zinger to keep everyone honest.

"We've got a long way to go to catch some teams in our league," he said Friday.

As the red Kool-Aid flows, keep that quote in mind.

https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ef762ecb-556b-5328-91f2-b3c286a29939.amp.html

He also said, Nebraska's expectations have been too low.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

He also said, Nebraska's expectations have been too low.

Do you think Nebraska's expectations have been too low? Who's expectations?

Or has the confidence that the team was going to meet those expectation been too low?

Are expectations the way they think a particular year will play out, or is it a baseline expectation, basically how a Nebraska program should be year in and year out?

Based on what we read on this forum, most fans still believe Nebraska is a blue blood and should be competing for titles. Those are the expectations and I believe those expectations are still high. I just don't think many fans felt that the expectations were going to be met. Perhaps that is what he is saying.

just some thoughts.