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ChicagoTiger85

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That’s not the point.

the point is that those complaining about this didn’t complain about advancing progressive views on sexuality and having lewd displays.
This is really only a point worth making in order to discredit the messenger. If they haven’t been consistent in their criticism, then why should we take them seriously? Aren’t they really just saying this because they’re biased?

Unfortunately, people who make this kind of argument often are guilty of the same kind of hypocrisy in that they’re implying their own judgment depends on how consistent they perceive their partisan adversaries as being. Somehow they miss that the force of an argument against others’ hypocrisy is that we should all consistently judge what’s bad to be bad, despite partisanship, not that our partisanship is justified by theirs.

This is why it’s hard to take these kinds of criticisms of hypocrisy seriously. They’re usually just attempts to change the subject so that people won’t have to actually talk about whatever the latest weirdness is, while they excuse themselves for going along with it because the other side is just too bad to allow self-criticism.

It’s also particularly hard to take seriously in this case because many of the people who don’t like having UFC fights on the White House lawn did have a lot to criticism for all the progressive excesses of past Democrats. But people who are committed to not being self-critical have managed to convince themselves that every criticism of anything like this has to be from people in favor of, or at least tolerant of, progressive excesses. There’s an awful lot of space between UFC fights on the WH lawn and Tranny Easter Egg Rolls.
 

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lol tf are u even talking about man? good lord.

and btw the one dipshit who went topless at the WH was denounced and summarily banned from ever coming back.

you worried about lewd displays and "progressive views on sexuality" but out here voting for Epstein's best friend. why is it that Trump talked all that Epstein stuff for years and years and then when he got back in office he told his Justice Dept to bury it? wake up man.

lots of sexual deviants out there in DC and they weren't dancing topless on the WH lawn. they were raping little kids with their best buds from New Yawk and you voted for them three times.
And now we see why the Trump people dismiss every criticism as partisan derangement…
 

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As a fan of mixed martial arts, I watched and enjoyed it.

I'd have figured it would have been on the 4th of July or closer to the date since it was said to be a celebration of the USA's 250th year since the declaration of independence.
There’s another significance to June 14, though…
 
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lol tf are u even talking about man? good lord.

and btw the one dipshit who went topless at the WH was denounced and summarily banned from ever coming back.

you worried about lewd displays and "progressive views on sexuality" but out here voting for Epstein's best friend. why is it that Trump talked all that Epstein stuff for years and years and then when he got back in office he told his Justice Dept to bury it? wake up man.

lots of sexual deviants out there in DC and they weren't dancing topless on the WH lawn. they were raping little kids with their best buds from New Yawk and you voted for them three times.
It’s crazy how one sentence from someone can send you into an emotional frenzy.

it’s clear your disdain for trump drives your opinions of anything he’s involved in.

I couldn’t give two craps about Trump as I did not vote for him. It’s just comical how you all allow him to get your panties in a wad.

He decided to hold a UFC event in the WH lawn for the 250 bday - so what. WTH did it cause?

But boy did it show strength to have the WH lit up like a rainbow and having trans and drags singing for our children.

and you would have though Obama and Biden would have buried Trump…..
 

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Pretty simple for me. The answer is neither on the grounds of the White House.
Well that ship sailed when Biden had the pride parade and celebration at the WH. Maybe you should’ve raised a little hell then. It’s laughable how “offended” people get about a fight yet having cross dressing trannies parading around is completely fine. I would be willing to bet a lot of money I can’t find a single post from you or anyone else complaining about the fairy fest in 2024. That’s my primary issue - hypocritical double standards.
 

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Well that ship sailed when Biden had the pride parade and celebration at the WH. Maybe you should’ve raised a little hell then. It’s laughable how “offended” people get about a fight yet having cross dressing trannies parading around is completely fine. I would be willing to bet a lot of money I can’t find a single post from you or anyone else complaining about the fairy fest in 2024. That’s my primary issue - hypocritical double standards.
To be honest, I don't recall the pride parade at the White House but my life doesn't revolve around hating the gay and "all the letters community" like you and some others on this board. And no group displays more hypocritical double standards than the Maga crowd does.
 

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To be honest, I don't recall the pride parade at the White House but my life doesn't revolve around hating the gay and "all the letters community" like you and some others on this board. And no group displays more hypocritical double standards than the Maga crowd does.
Of course you don’t recall. Here.
 
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Of course you don’t recall. Here.

I saw that already in this thread, but I don't remember anything about it at the time that it occurred. And FU with your "of course you don't recall".

And thank God the plot to attack the WH UFC event was stopped by the FBI and SS. That was another concern of mine leading into this event.
 

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I saw that already in this thread, but I don't remember anything about it at the time that it occurred. And FU with your "of course you don't recall".

And thank God the plot to attack the WH UFC event was stopped by the FBI and SS. That was another concern of mine leading into this event.
Uh ok. I do and it was pretty weird to say the least. It just cracks me up to see a bunch of people crying over a UFC fight when there was a literal drag show there 2 years ago.
 
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Uh ok. I do and it was pretty weird to say the least. It just cracks me up to see a bunch of people crying over a UFC fight when there was a literal drag show there 2 years ago.

Maybe the problem is with your interpretation of opinions you disagree with and assumption that everyone else views the world around them in a strict dichotomy like you seem to be doing?
 

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Well that ship sailed when Biden had the pride parade and celebration at the WH. Maybe you should’ve raised a little hell then. It’s laughable how “offended” people get about a fight yet having cross dressing trannies parading around is completely fine. I would be willing to bet a lot of money I can’t find a single post from you or anyone else complaining about the fairy fest in 2024. That’s my primary issue - hypocritical double standards.
Were you aware the White House immediately condemned the ones who exposed themselves, banned them from coming back, and they in fact when on to apologize? Haven't seen anyone condemn calling our former first lady a male. Maybe I've missed it.
 

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Uh ok. I do and it was pretty weird to say the least. It just cracks me up to see a bunch of people crying over a UFC fight when there was a literal drag show there 2 years ago.
It wasn't a drag show, it was a Pride event that was held for 8 years when Obama was president and all 4 years of Biden's term. It would have been a blip on your radar if not for the three who exposed themselves(2 trans men and 1 trans female). They weren't performers, this wasn't something the WH approved and they promptly released a statement calling the behavior "inappropriate and disrespectful". Montoya and the other individuals involved were subsequently banned from attending future events at the White House.

 

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Were you aware the White House immediately condemned the ones who exposed themselves, banned them from coming back, and they in fact when on to apologize? Haven't seen anyone condemn calling our former first lady a male. Maybe I've missed it.
It’s irrelevant. Are you saying that if that weirdo apologizes everything is ok? The point is it was unbelievably inappropriate, and offensive to a large portion of the country to have that huge pride celebration at the WH and not one of you made a peep. That’s the point.
 

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It wasn't a drag show, it was a Pride event that was held for 8 years when Obama was president and all 4 years of Biden's term. It would have been a blip on your radar if not for the three who exposed themselves(2 trans men and 1 trans female). They weren't performers, this wasn't something the WH approved and they promptly released a statement calling the behavior "inappropriate and disrespectful". Montoya and the other individuals involved were subsequently banned from attending future events at the White House.

I know what it was. Pride events don’t belong at the WH. Period.
 

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Says who? Do you make the rules?

It's called delusions of grandeur and I get a sense it's a product of trauma felt by people that haven't fully processed the death of monoculture.

People like that tend to get upset when they see their personal definition of "normal" challenged.
 
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It's called delusions of grandeur and I get a sense it's a product of trauma felt by people that haven't fully processed the death of monoculture.

People like that tend to get upset when they see personal definition of "normal" challenged.
These events aren't televised on network or cable tv, you have to go to the WH youtube channel to see it, so it's not something they can claim is shoved down their throats because you have to want to see it to go to the web platforms that host them. Presidents host dozens of events for various groups so I'm not sure why people feel the need to evangelize about an event that isn't harming a soul. If blood sports are fine, this certainly should be too.
 

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It’s irrelevant. Are you saying that if that weirdo apologizes everything is ok? The point is it was unbelievably inappropriate, and offensive to a large portion of the country to have that huge pride celebration at the WH and not one of you made a peep. That’s the point.
I personally didn’t have a problem with a celebration for a minority, as a quick event, that doesn’t deface the actual grounds more than have already been defaced. Understand you disagree. I was speaking specifically to what others had shared. I was comparing the “Michelle is a man” to the “trannies exposing themselves” situations. Which I do think the response to each or relevant. You are comparing UFC to pride celebration. Which I agree that we are going to have to agree to disagree on.
 
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I know what it was. Pride events don’t belong at the WH. Period.
Many Americans would say a prayer event doesn’t belong at the WH. Period. Separation of church and state and all that. Many people of other religions are likely offended by it. But don’t think libs on here have said anything to my knowledge as it’s a small event for a group of Americans amongst many other events.
 
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It’s irrelevant. Are you saying that if that weirdo apologizes everything is ok? The point is it was unbelievably inappropriate, and offensive to a large portion of the country to have that huge pride celebration at the WH and not one of you made a peep. That’s the point.
Why would we make a peep about an event we didn't see and wouldn't have known about without the fuss caused by the inappropriate guests? Why is hosting a Pride event wrong? A minority of 35% of Americans hold anti-lgbt views so why should their prejudices be catered to when not a soul is being harmed?
 
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These events aren't televised on network or cable tv, you have to go to the WH youtube channel to see it, so it's not something they can claim is shoved down their throats because you have to want to see it to go to the web platforms that host them. Presidents host dozens of events for various groups so I'm not sure why people feel the need to evangelize about an event that isn't harming a soul. If blood sports are fine, this certainly should be too.

You're a lot more forgiving than I am. I'm of the opinion that it's possible to ignore literally any sort of content if a person wants to bad enough, and am happy everyone has the ability.

The whole forced to acknowledge things that I disagree with is just, IMO, weak people making excuses. Or, more likely, drama queens choosing to seek out rage bait.
 

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You're a lot more forgiving than I am. I'm of the opinion that it's possible to ignore literally any sort of content if a person wants to bad enough, and am happy everyone has the ability.

The whole forced to acknowledge things that I disagree with is just, IMO, weak people making excuses. Or, more likely, drama queens choosing to seek out rage bait.
I hear ya, the part the worries me the most is the increasing hostilities towards minority groups due to the explosion of culture war social media accounts that attempt to paint "others" as the cause of everything that ills them. It has to be addressed head on IMO because it's starting to create a dangerous climate for a mostly peaceful people who just want to live their lives without harassment. They're literally putting targets on people's back due to their prejudices and it needs to stop before it goes too far.
 
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I hear ya, the part the worries me the most is the increasing hostilities towards minority groups due to the explosion of culture war social media accounts that attempt to paint "others" as the cause of everything that ills them. It has to be addressed head on IMO because it's starting to create a dangerous climate for a mostly peaceful people who just want to live their lives without harassment. They're literally putting targets on people's back due to their prejudices and it needs to stop before it goes too far.

If only those that were so fond of saying "follow the money" when they were looking for things to hate about Barack Obama would follow the money. We might find that despite our differences, we can find common ground in our dislike of being f@cked over by ultra rich sex criminals.
 
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These events aren't televised on network or cable tv, you have to go to the WH youtube channel to see it, so it's not something they can claim is shoved down their throats because you have to want to see it to go to the web platforms that host them. Presidents host dozens of events for various groups so I'm not sure why people feel the need to evangelize about an event that isn't harming a soul. If blood sports are fine, this certainly should be too.
You had to pay for paramount plus to see the fights. No one made you buy or watch it. Just stop it. If you’re ok with trannies being there you should be ok with fighters being there. That’s all. You do understand this entire thread is libs crying about one while praising the other right? That’s my point.