Investing in football at Carolina is like pissing in the wind.
Forbes ?? Candidate for SC
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We don't have a choice. If we don't start making more money from football, we won't be able to keep up with the P2 schools.
True Dat
Lets see what this season brings
I think we all know blowing 10s of millions on BB was a problem
Who or what is the source of the ostensible post, text or article that led to your initial "Chicken Little" post on here?
My point is giving BB and that clown show extra revenue share is wasting money. Take 400
Thousand from BB , he still has millions of dollars that will probably get us 3 or 4 wins this year but give Forbes the 400 thousand and keep baseball strong . What is 400 thousand dollars compared to the millions already flushed down the toilet on the football program.
Thousand from BB , he still has millions of dollars that will probably get us 3 or 4 wins this year but give Forbes the 400 thousand and keep baseball strong . What is 400 thousand dollars compared to the millions already flushed down the toilet on the football program.
Go check the ACC football recruiting rankings? We are currently 15 of 17 in the ACC !! We can take 400 thousand dollars from BB and still get these players we are getting! I say it again football is a joke at Carolina.
Yea, the fact that we are paying what we are to the nepo hires and lombardi is inexcusable.
Forbes smoke is real.
On SCar's end.
Forbes is not reciprocating as of now.
UNC has done their due diligence and already has a plan in place. With all that said, it's far more likely another former Tar Heel heads to Columbia.
On SCar's end.
Forbes is not reciprocating as of now.
UNC has done their due diligence and already has a plan in place. With all that said, it's far more likely another former Tar Heel heads to Columbia.
Holbrook??Forbes smoke is real.
On SCar's end.
Forbes is not reciprocating as of now.
UNC has done their due diligence and already has a plan in place. With all that said, it's far more likely another former Tar Heel heads to Columbia.
Football isn’t the reason either. It’s the media market.
The ACC is in many of the biggest media markets in the country, while the SEC is scattered across a bunch of small media markets. It has nothing to do with media markets. It's about the number of people who tune in to watch football, which is about the size of the alumni base, the passion of the fans, the ability of a team to capture national attention from fans without a rooting interest, and the quality of the football team. Our problem is that UNC football doesn't get eyeballs outside of our own fans, our program doesn't compete for titles, it doesn't regularly play teams who are competing for titles, and our alumni base is small compared to a lot of other state schools.
John Swofford's main error was thinking that it was about media markets.
You might want to read some of Greg’s articles. The SEC and Big 10 want UNC because they want to get into the NC media market.
Forbes wouldn’t be reciprocating but his agent would.Forbes smoke is real.
On SCar's end.
Forbes is not reciprocating as of now.
UNC has done their due diligence and already has a plan in place. With all that said, it's far more likely another former Tar Heel heads to Columbia.
I've read them. Yes, the size of NC as a state matters, but the Big Ten and SEC want us because of our brand. That's the reason they want us and not NC State. Market size doesn't matter if you can't capture the market. BC didn't capture the Boston market. Syracuse didn't capture the NY market. Even UCLA and USC struggle to capture the LA market. UNC's brand is far more important than anything related to market size.
Brand power + getting into the media market in NC.
Either way, it’s not a football or basketball thing.
That's just not true. Basketball is maybe a quarter of a media deal. The rest is football. Everything else loses money. Maybe you should re-read Greg's articles that you condescendingly recommended I read.
I’m not saying basketball matters more, but even if football wins 4 games next year, the SEC/Big 10 will still want UNC.
It’s not about football success. Your initial post said “basketball isn’t going to get us into the SEC”. Football isn’t the reason the Big 10/SEC want us either.
It’s about the brand and getting into the media market.
Both the Big Ten and the SEC have told us that we need to invest more in football in order to be invited to their conferences.
You’re saying Greg wrote “The Big 10/SEC told UNC they need to invest more in football to be invited to their conference”?
I haven’t seen that direct statement, but they’re already investing more in football.
All I’m saying is, even if football isn’t that good, they’ll still want us.
Football makes money. Football is the reason we can have such an excellent money losing baseball program.
Any idea on what we would try to do to keep him?Forbes smoke is real.
On SCar's end.
Forbes is not reciprocating as of now.
UNC has done their due diligence and already has a plan in place. With all that said, it's far more likely another former Tar Heel heads to Columbia.
Imma believe Greg Barnes on this one. The SEC and the Big Ten have minimum levels of investment in football that they expect from members - levels that we've only recently been meeting.
This is the dumbest post I've seen on this board in a long time. You are clueless
Good grief. It's not dumb, and y'all react like whiny kicked dogs.
On a thread in which we're talking about how we don't have the money we need for baseball NIL because we need to spend that money instead on football and basketball, y'all are doubting why we need to spend the money on football.
Both leagues have told us that we must meet minimum investments in football to be invited to their conferences. It's a minimum expectation of membership. Only recently have we been investing at the appropriate level, and we have to continue to spend at that level. That's a fact, whether you think it's stupid or not.
So yes, we must invest more in football. It's the gateway to future success for us.
You want me to go through all 5,000 articles Greg Barnes has written on this topic as well as podcasts in which he said it and point you to where the information is that you didn't read or listen to that the rest of us saw and heard? I'm not your secretary.
Both conferences have minimum expectations for their schools on how much each school is expected to invest in the revenue sports, but particularly football. We have historically not met that level of investment. Only recently, with the amount of money we spent on Belichick and NIL under Belichick, have we begun to meet that level of investment.
The whole point of joining P2 is to get a full revenue share from them. There's no point in joining either conference if we don't get a full revenue share. To get an invitation to either conference with a full revenue share, we have to continue to invest in football at a very high level, while at the same time getting less money from our TV deal with the ACC than the P2 schools get from the TV deals for their conferences. That puts a big strain on our donors and leaves them unable to invest in NIL for baseball the way we would like. The whole reason I started posting on this thread was because one poster was shocked that we're not top 10 in NIL for baseball, but the need to invest heavily in football is the reason for that (combined with the amount of money we need to spend a rebuild our basketball program). And if you don't like it, there's a very simple solution to that: make a multi-million dollar donation to the athletics department and ask that they earmark it for baseball NIL. Given how smart you claim to be compared to how stupid I am, you should have that kind of money lying around I would think.