FIVE quad one wins now!
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Rutgers 2022 will be undoubtedly the most unique resume in NET history .. that’s of course if we win 11+
It’s almost inconceivable this is the team that couldn’t score 50 point against Merrimack.
Efficiency numbers Purdue 104, Michigan 112
Final Score Purdue 58 Michigan 82
Purdue down 5, 4 to 9, Michigan up 17, 47 to 30
Purdue dropped 3 places, 6 to 9, with a 104-90 W over Nicholls St, Dec 29
Purdue 142 Nicholls St 124.1, Nicholls St up 12, 165 to 153
I think I have an idea as to why Rutgers started the season out so slow. Too many players were probably in their own heads about NET Efficiency, Team Value Index, Offensive Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds, Free Throws, TOs, forcing TOs, possessions, and forgot to just play basketball. That was the turn around.
Final Score Purdue 58 Michigan 82
Purdue down 5, 4 to 9, Michigan up 17, 47 to 30
Purdue dropped 3 places, 6 to 9, with a 104-90 W over Nicholls St, Dec 29
Purdue 142 Nicholls St 124.1, Nicholls St up 12, 165 to 153
I think I have an idea as to why Rutgers started the season out so slow. Too many players were probably in their own heads about NET Efficiency, Team Value Index, Offensive Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds, Free Throws, TOs, forcing TOs, possessions, and forgot to just play basketball. That was the turn around.
the problem with Michigan being a Q1 now is that they have a NCAA resume without the warts that RU has. We improved our chances at getting a bid vs the rest of the bubble but not vis a vis Michigan
Hopefully it doesn’t come back to haunt us but that’s what this consistent scheduling practice does to us there has been no urgency to change it
I feel like Rutgers' chances are becoming almost binary. At 12-8 we'd be immune from the bubble (rough guess, 90% we're in). At 11-9 we'd need a LOT to go right (rough guess, 15% we're in). It makes sense when you think about it, because going from 11 to 12 likely means an additional quad 1 road win which is a BFD. The scenario where it'd get muddled is if we get to 11-8 and then take a Q3 loss to Penn State.
There are two solutions: Either schedule better, or don't lose to freaking Lafayette and UMass.
Don’t lose to Lafayette really. UMass you can overcome. The Lafayette guard misses the 3, we are either in or very close right now
Its infuriating to me, its horrible scheduling even if we beat Lafayette, our NET would still be lagging in the 60s right now. Unfortunately its not going to change because Pikiell's coaching style does not have them ready to play early in the season. However in this case it was no shows by the veterans who screwed up our NET rating with nail biters against Lehigh and laughable performance vs Lafayette
Rutgers did jump 217 to 160 when we beat Purdue 70-68 
The one that sticks out to me is when Florida lost at home on Dec 6th to winless Texas Southern 54-69, Florida 22 to 59, TX Southern 273 to 181.
Dec 11 @Notre Dame 66-62 Kentucky
ND 170 to 138, Kentucky 39 to 52
Dec 17 Kentucky 98-69 UNC, neutral
Kentucky 51 to 32, UNC 31 to 49
Dec 17 @Creighton 79-59 Villanova
Creighton 81 to 57, Villanova 10 to 17
@Tenn 77-73 Arizona, 10 to 8
@UCLA 75-59 Arizona, 16 to 13
@SMU 85-83 Houston, 60 to 52
Oklahoma St 61-54 @Baylor, 66 to 50
It's hard to get examples of top teams getting blown out and the movement.
The one that sticks out to me is when Florida lost at home on Dec 6th to winless Texas Southern 54-69, Florida 22 to 59, TX Southern 273 to 181.
Dec 11 @Notre Dame 66-62 Kentucky
ND 170 to 138, Kentucky 39 to 52
Dec 17 Kentucky 98-69 UNC, neutral
Kentucky 51 to 32, UNC 31 to 49
Dec 17 @Creighton 79-59 Villanova
Creighton 81 to 57, Villanova 10 to 17
@Tenn 77-73 Arizona, 10 to 8
@UCLA 75-59 Arizona, 16 to 13
@SMU 85-83 Houston, 60 to 52
Oklahoma St 61-54 @Baylor, 66 to 50
It's hard to get examples of top teams getting blown out and the movement.
a test of big wins but sloppy profile vs little wins but clean profile.
Rutgers vs North Carolina
I usually see the selection committee show no consistency with this
what hurts RU in the room is the abhorrent non conference schedule strength, its a big deal with the committee and we do not have a quality non conference win while losing to two dregs
Rutgers vs North Carolina
I usually see the selection committee show no consistency with this
what hurts RU in the room is the abhorrent non conference schedule strength, its a big deal with the committee and we do not have a quality non conference win while losing to two dregs
Now we just need Merrimack to go on a huge run.
Iowa might be a good example too. If they beat Nebraska 2x and Northwestern and let's say Michigan (at home), and the Wolverines fall to Q2, their resume will be verrrrry suspect. 20-12 overall but something like 1-9 in Q1 games.
yeah but the great NET is going to put them in...its freaking 19 and I dont really see it falling out of the top 30.
Their only potential real bad loss would be at Nebraska. if they go 4-3 they are locks
Their only potential real bad loss would be at Nebraska. if they go 4-3 they are locks
Our NET would be just as ******, or at least almost as ******, no matter who we scheduled in November assuming we had still played as badly as we did.
The comment was in context of improving the appearance of our OOC.
There’s not much that can help it - but a Clemson run would help the OOC perception about 100 times more than Merrimack claiming their autobid or even winning out would. Do you disagree?
Clemson stealing the autobid just takes away a bubble spot.
We don't want any teams without NCAA resumes stealing any conference auto bids
This may be due to the resumes of the teams we've lost to, or even of some of those we've beaten. If Lafayette and UMass went on losing benders (I have no interest in looking it up), it will lower our NET.
True - okay - losing in the finals. Specifically - moving into top 75 NET. That’s where I was going. Merrimack winning does nothing (it’s the same thing as DePaul or Seton Hall winning - just helps SOS).
I'm super on-board with efficiency and analytics when it comes to talking about teams but I'm old school when it comes to picking the NCAA tournament field. I hate the people who say things like "it should just be the top 36 teams in KenPom!"
Winning and losing still has to matter. A 1 point win is hardly different from a 1 point loss from an efficiency standpoint but it needs to mean a lot from a resume standpoint.
Lol I know. It just made me lament on the fact that there’s only one OOC win out there with even a chance at becoming Q2.
What’s the joke?
First there’s complaining about RU only moving 11 spots after beating 17th ranked mich st by 20 (possibly soon to be unranked depending on Indiana result).
Then there’s complaining that Michigan moving 17 spots was too much after beating 3rd ranked Purdue by 24….
Some people just like to be negative all the time I guess and throw reason out the window
As I said - I was referring in general to a run by a non-conference opponent that we’ve beaten having an impact like this Michigan jump. Sadly - everyone other than Clemson could win out and would likely still be buried in quad 4. That was the point I was making.
UMass was not the problem vs an A10, scheduling 2 vs 30th ranked NEC, 2 vs 28th ranked Patriot, and 2 vs 26th American East is a very big problem, they are all regular bottom 5/10 conference every year. You only have control of 9 or 10 out of conference games, Gavitt possibility and ACC/B1G challenge, that is 2/3s or 60% of your non conference are in the low or low-low majors. You are putting.yourself behind the 8 ball before you play game 1.
AE Vermont 65, 9 teams 230-353
Patriot Navy 137, Colgate 143, Boston 198, 7 teams 256-344
NEC Wagner 97, 9 teams 222-351
Unless it is a known commodity like those 5 teams that tends to schedule tough non conference, it's not worth scheduling but maybe 1 or 2 at most, not 6 of them.
AE Vermont 65, 9 teams 230-353
Patriot Navy 137, Colgate 143, Boston 198, 7 teams 256-344
NEC Wagner 97, 9 teams 222-351
Unless it is a known commodity like those 5 teams that tends to schedule tough non conference, it's not worth scheduling but maybe 1 or 2 at most, not 6 of them.