Fitz & NU Settle...

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Winston & Strawn is a big firm, so maybe there were some on his team. But Dan Webb, who was front and center, graduated from Loyola's law school.

Dan Webb was the “face” of Fitz’s defense team, but the day-to-day work was led by none other than NU football’s own Sean Wieber.

 

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Word on the street is that Fitz got paid $70M in the settlement.

After his lawyers take 33-40%, he may have to pay Illinois State & Federal taxes given its replacing lost income.

He got paid regardless. 🏦
 
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I am not 100% sure Nkrthwestern isn’t better off from a purely football perspective to not have Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach any more, but I am EXTREMELY sure this would be a mild footnote scandal at nearly every other major school in the country that would have blown over in July and be a weird footnote by week 8. Instead, the nitwits who call themselves elites and intellectuals who run our school panicked over a report in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER and exploded the athletic department over it. These are the sorts of people who can’t run a hot dog stand, much less a major institution. Maybe putting people on the Board of Trustees because they talk funny about sports on TV isn’t the best governance model.

This week it cost the school a massive pile of cash, something even these idiots can’t overlook.

and now we get to hope that if Fitz ends up back in the Big Ten it’s at least not at Iowa
 

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I am not 100% sure Nkrthwestern isn’t better off from a purely football perspective to not have Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach any more, but I am EXTREMELY sure this would be a mild footnote scandal at nearly every other major school in the country that would have blown over in July and be a weird footnote by week 8. Instead, the nitwits who call themselves elites and intellectuals who run our school panicked over a report in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER and exploded the athletic department over it. These are the sorts of people who can’t run a hot dog stand, much less a major institution. Maybe putting people on the Board of Trustees because they talk funny about sports on TV isn’t the best governance model.

This week it cost the school a massive pile of cash, something even these idiots can’t overlook.

and now we get to hope that if Fitz ends up back in the Big Ten it’s at least not at Iowa
Last I checked there were roughly 100 people on the Board of Trustees at NU.

Fire them all too! Clean house.
 

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I am not 100% sure Nkrthwestern isn’t better off from a purely football perspective to not have Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach any more, but I am EXTREMELY sure this would be a mild footnote scandal at nearly every other major school in the country that would have blown over in July and be a weird footnote by week 8. Instead, the nitwits who call themselves elites and intellectuals who run our school panicked over a report in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER and exploded the athletic department over it. These are the sorts of people who can’t run a hot dog stand, much less a major institution. Maybe putting people on the Board of Trustees because they talk funny about sports on TV isn’t the best governance model.

This week it cost the school a massive pile of cash, something even these idiots can’t overlook.

and now we get to hope that if Fitz ends up back in the Big Ten it’s at least not at Iowa
This is extremely true. Fitz should have been fired for poor performance and the program is better off with him gone. And NU leadership embarrassed themselves in their handling of this whole thing.
 
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Based on the statements from both Fitz and NU, it sounds like NU folded on just about everything. The only thing more that Fitz could have asked for would be firing Schill. It's funny that Schill himself is reportedly not allowed to make a statement, although I doubt the weasel would say anything in any case.
If he did, he would likely open NU up to another lawsuit
 

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Nah. That was a high ball for negotiation. $50-60 maybe.
Sorry but once it was determined that NU had no justification for firing Fitz for cause, they immediately owed Fitz the rest of his contract plus interest plus legal fees as a minimum ant that takes it to $100 mill or more
 
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Iowa seems plausible. One of his sons is there. He and Ferrentz seem to get along. Some online Hawkeyes are even talking about him in the Succession pool. It would be ironic, though. When Hayden Fry talked trash about not wanting to "hurt your boys", it was after the 1994 game. Fitz would have been one of those boys. He needs to spin in his grave.
Heck they broke his (Fitz's) leg in 95 so he did not get to play in the Rose Bowl
 

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I am not 100% sure Nkrthwestern isn’t better off from a purely football perspective to not have Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach any more, but I am EXTREMELY sure this would be a mild footnote scandal at nearly every other major school in the country that would have blown over in July and be a weird footnote by week 8. Instead, the nitwits who call themselves elites and intellectuals who run our school panicked over a report in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER and exploded the athletic department over it. These are the sorts of people who can’t run a hot dog stand, much less a major institution. Maybe putting people on the Board of Trustees because they talk funny about sports on TV isn’t the best governance model.

This week it cost the school a massive pile of cash, something even these idiots can’t overlook.

and now we get to hope that if Fitz ends up back in the Big Ten it’s at least not at Iowa
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I am not 100% sure Nkrthwestern isn’t better off from a purely football perspective to not have Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach any more, but I am EXTREMELY sure this would be a mild footnote scandal at nearly every other major school in the country that would have blown over in July and be a weird footnote by week 8. Instead, the nitwits who call themselves elites and intellectuals who run our school panicked over a report in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER and exploded the athletic department over it. These are the sorts of people who can’t run a hot dog stand, much less a major institution. Maybe putting people on the Board of Trustees because they talk funny about sports on TV isn’t the best governance model.

This week it cost the school a massive pile of cash, something even these idiots can’t overlook.

and now we get to hope that if Fitz ends up back in the Big Ten it’s at least not at Iowa
Not sure with the new lack of alignment(no divisions and IA is not a protected rival) it makes any difference as long as it is not IL (Is Purdue protected?)
 

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Word on the street is that Fitz got paid $70M in the settlement.

After his lawyers take 33-40%, he may have to pay Illinois State & Federal taxes given its replacing lost income.

He got paid regardless. 🏦
From what I have seen, it is likely that the settlement was higher (As soon as NU could not prove justification to fire him for cause, NU owed him $68 mill plus interest and probably legal fees, If you mean he netted out $70 mil then maybe
 

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From what I have seen, it is likely that the settlement was higher (As soon as NU could not prove justification to fire him for cause, NU owed him $68 mill plus interest and probably legal fees, If you mean he netted out $70 mil then maybe
Who knows. $70M pre or post legal feels is still a ton of money.

Meanwhile, NU employees keep losing jobs & countless kids in Evanston, Chicago, and other suburbs live in poverty.
 

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Who knows. $70M pre or post legal feels is still a ton of money.

Meanwhile, NU employees keep losing jobs & countless kids in Evanston, Chicago, and other suburbs live in poverty.
Do you realize that NU has more than one employee for every two students? I think that is even including part time students. Talk about bloat.
 
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Do you realize that NU has more than one employee for every two students? I think that is even including part time students. Talk about bloat.
The figure would include the medical school and hospital. Many graduate students are employees in one form or another too.
 
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The figure would include the medical school and hospital. Many graduate students are employees in one form or another too.
We also do tons of research and pay people to help.

Universities are top employers in many areas of the country.
 

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The figure would include the medical school and hospital. Many graduate students are employees in one form or another too.

The figure would include the medical school and hospital. Many graduate students are employees in one form or another too.
Sorry but I think NU Medical School is separate from that.

Employee Count at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine​

Total Employees​

  • Total Academic Staff: Approximately 4,830

Additional Context​

  • The Feinberg School of Medicine is part of Northwestern Medicine, which employs over 33,000 individuals across its health system.
  • This includes a wide range of roles, from faculty and researchers to administrative and support staff.
This information highlights the significant workforce dedicated to medical education and healthcare at Northwestern University.

The numbers for NU (I believe Evanston) are as follows

I believe there are 631 MD students

Faculty and Staffs by Occupation at Northwestern University​


A total of 11,742 employees, including instructional and non-instructional, both full-time and part-time status work at Northwestern University. By employment type, there are 11,103 full-time and 639 part-time faculty and staffs. By gender, 6,528 female and 5,214 male employees are working at Northwestern.

The number of instructional staffs (i.e. teaching faculty) is 2,859, which is 24.35% of total employees. On average, 6 students are in a class or assigned per a faculty. By occupation, there are 322 Librarians, 254 management occupation, 2,189 computer/engineering, and 157 service occupations.

By race/ethnicity, there are 6,490 white (55.27%), 998 black (8.50%), and 1,340 asian (11.41%) employees working at Northwestern. A total of 1,364 non-resident alien employees work at Northwestern.


Seems pretty evident that the medical school is separate.

They list about 23K students full and part time I think there are around 8400 FT undergrad students so the other 15K are likely grad and mostly part time

I believe the second part is just in Evanston (that is what I tried to get) though I suppose it could include downtown campus but does not look like it includes any in the NU Medical school
 
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Sorry but I think NU Medical School is separate from that.

Employee Count at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine​

Total Employees​

  • Total Academic Staff: Approximately 4,830

Additional Context​

  • The Feinberg School of Medicine is part of Northwestern Medicine, which employs over 33,000 individuals across its health system.
  • This includes a wide range of roles, from faculty and researchers to administrative and support staff.
This information highlights the significant workforce dedicated to medical education and healthcare at Northwestern University.

The numbers for NU (I believe Evanston) are as follows

I believe there are 631 MD students

Faculty and Staffs by Occupation at Northwestern University​


A total of 11,742 employees, including instructional and non-instructional, both full-time and part-time status work at Northwestern University. By employment type, there are 11,103 full-time and 639 part-time faculty and staffs. By gender, 6,528 female and 5,214 male employees are working at Northwestern.

The number of instructional staffs (i.e. teaching faculty) is 2,859, which is 24.35% of total employees. On average, 6 students are in a class or assigned per a faculty. By occupation, there are 322 Librarians, 254 management occupation, 2,189 computer/engineering, and 157 service occupations.

By race/ethnicity, there are 6,490 white (55.27%), 998 black (8.50%), and 1,340 asian (11.41%) employees working at Northwestern. A total of 1,364 non-resident alien employees work at Northwestern.


Seems pretty evident that the medical school is separate.

They list about 23K students full and part time I think there are around 8400 FT undergrad students so the other 15K are likely grad and mostly part time

I believe the second part is just in Evanston (that is what I tried to get) though I suppose it could include downtown campus but does not look like it includes any in the NU Medical school
Universities do more than just teach students though. They do research. They do athletics. They provide services to the community. They get involved in business. They have to respond to local and federal regulations. They also have to run an entire large scale dining and hospitality business for the thousands of students who call campus home most of the year. I don't think a certain employee:student ratio automatically means there is bloat.
 
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Universities do more than just teach students though. They do research. They do athletics. They provide services to the community. They get involved in business. They have to respond to local and federal regulations. They also have to run an entire large scale dining and hospitality business for the thousands of students who call campus home most of the year. I don't think a certain employee:student ratio automatically means there is bloat.
Efficiency is demanded in any actual business. (Not sure that those large scale dining that you talk about are even actual NU employees and not outside vendors). Basically every other industry either becomes more efficient or disappears. Education has gotten pretty bloated over the years. Again that is more than one employee for every two students whether full or part time. (I already showed that the Med school is separate) and they are not cheap. Profs average over $161K but other positions still average over $85K. They need to become more efficient or they will face problems going forward
 

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Efficiency is demanded in any actual business. (Not sure that those large scale dining that you talk about are even actual NU employees and not outside vendors). Basically every other industry either becomes more efficient or disappears. Education has gotten pretty bloated over the years. Again that is more than one employee for every two students whether full or part time. (I already showed that the Med school is separate) and they are not cheap. Profs average over $161K but other positions still average over $85K. They need to become more efficient or they will face problems going forward
"Efficient" is a great word that businesses love to use, but cutting costs, especially people costs, does not automatically make things more efficient. It also leads to bigger problems for a society.
 
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They also have to run an entire large scale dining and hospitality business for the thousands of students who call campus home most of the year.
Isn't that usually contracted out? I'm not saying that those jobs would exist without the university, but I also don't think they count as university employees.