Sure. Be sure to pick your dates carefully in order to project him in the worst light possible though. Everyone already knows that is your goal.
Fire him tonight....
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Sure. Be sure to pick your dates carefully in order to project him in the worst light possible though. Everyone already knows that is your goal.
defend 7 years of jackass base running. 7 years of making the first out at home..or are you going to be like todd and try and argue that it does not matter what out it is at the plate , first or third, an out is an out?
Engle....If you take away his first two years as you insist, Cohen still has a losing SEC record (just over the past five years). So are you saying that a losing record in SEC games over seasons 3 through 7 is acceptable to you? It's not to me!
And I don't know where you got the 30-20 vs Bianco record. Bianco leads Cohen 18-11 over the past seven years. I guess you were throwing in the early years when they were coaching against each other in Louisiana.
And I don't know where you got the 30-20 vs Bianco record. Bianco leads Cohen 18-11 over the past seven years. I guess you were throwing in the early years when they were coaching against each other in Louisiana.
I've been nothing but respectful towards you in this debate. I have no doubt in your intentions and feelings: I know they are 100% from the heart from reading you on this site and others. Mine are as well whether you think they are or not. It absolutely breaks my 17ing heart to talk about the mediocrity our program has fallen under no matter who is to blame. It gives me NO pleasure. All that being said, I hope you are proven to be right and I'm proven to be wrong. I'm not into making stupid bets and calling people out at the cost of our failures. I'll let you focus your efforts on the rest of the lunatic fringe and wish you nothing but the best.
Farther and deeper than we've ever been before. It's the ultimate trump card.
We've left some stuff to be desired situationally. Certainly. Baserunning has been an issue. That doesn't mean you fire the coach. That doesn't mean that it isn't quickly changeable and fixable in the assistant ranks. Or do you think the head coach is the only one responsible for this stuff and the only on trying to teach it?
The positives from that aggression doesn't show up in the box score, but are rampantly apparent to people that know the game. People that understand baseball understand this -- and people that don't sit on message boards and call out the people that had tried, at length, to explain it to them. This year hasn't been aggression but stupidity and what looks like a laxadasical approach. And that is on everyone. But anyone wanting to fire a coach for one bad year out of 5 in a sport with the volatility that baseball has with the MLB draft both in the recruiting class and the junior class is a moron. This team is quite a bit different if you add the power hitters we have lost in the draft the last couple of years. We'll see where we are next year and go from there.
So -- let me get this straight -- Cohen's first 2 years here cleaning up Polk's mess count against him -- but what he did prior to that can't count for him? That seems fair**
Oh -- and you need to count better.
Nah. I'm for keeping him for another year. Just stating a fact. Cohen has been good, but hardly great here. '13 was special, but I'm not sure he can repeat it.
You are not sure he can repeat arguably the best season in MSU history?
I don't get how his ability to get somewhere he's already been can be questioned -- especially when we are finally starting to stack the deck into his favor...
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He's made the cws 1 time in 12 years. It remains to be seen if he can repeat that.
He's had 7 losing sec seasons in 12 including this year, so we know he can repeat that
Again a disingenuous stat seeking to project Cohen as negatively as possible. 3 losing SEC seasons in 8 years in the fair projection of his reality. In one of those "losing seasons" he still won a regional and was 5 outs away from taking out a national title finalist on their home field. Fact is -- even with this shitshow -- after two of the biggest rebuilding jobs(in UK's case not even a rebuild -- a build), Cohen has averaged 40 wins per year for his career.
Bianco has made regionals 12 of his 14 years at OM without any mulligan years. Bianco kills Cohen when it comes to hosting. Bianco operates under the same scholarship issues in miss that Cohen does. Bianco hasn't even come close to a shitshow like this and this will be Cohen's 3rd in 7 years.
I think Cohen is good and want him to get a shot next season, but he's hardly irreplaceable
We have changed from an aggressive team in cohens first few years that ran ourselves out of innings with no speed to a team with some speed that never utilizes it that makes bad base running decisions. Mingione is a clown at third. I had the opportunity to volunteer coach in college for 1.5 years while starting my coaching career and that school would NOT let a player coach first base. Yet we have multiple players coaching first. Coaching first is an important job, whether you think so or not.
I don't really care who made the call. It was a ridiculously stupid call. I've consistently given Cohen full credit for 2013 when we rode a truly elite pitching staff to the CWS finals. And I'm going to give him full credit for this season, both at the plate and on the mound. These are HIS assistant coaches, HIS players, and HIS program. It's ALL on him. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
THIS is a lesson a lot of MSU fans need to learn. Historically, we've tended to look at the relationship with a head coach as a marriage that you only end if things just completely fall apart. ALL coaches are replaceable. Sometimes, it's time for new blood in the program. I'm not sure we're quite to that point yet, but if we lose the series to Tennessee, we might be. And for the "you can't fire a coach only 2 years after he made the CWS finals" crowd, remember the Auburn fired Gene Chizek 2 years after he WON the national championship. It doesn't seem to have hurt their program too bad.
Cohen will coach next season with the understanding that the **** will have to be better or we will be hiring someone else. We will be opening a new stadium in 2017 and we could go out and nearly hand pick an established or a young up and coming coach to open the new stadium. Who wouldn't want to coach in that facility?
So we are now behind the team that hasn't made the regional in the last 3 -- and probably going on 4 -- years?
You don't like -- or you are in total unreasonable meltdown about?
Hate to be the bearer of bad news -- but we are never going to effectively bury Ole Miss in baseball again. What's built is done. They are too invested now. But they've got about 5 more trips to Omaha and 2 dozen conference titles to win before they actually surpass anything.
This whole line of thought is ridiculous. Our fates are minimally influenced by each other in baseball. What do we compete over -- 3-4 recruits each every year? And we both recruit elite nationally.
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Ahh -- so current RPI is the measure of a "program" now? Dallas Baptist is the best program in the country then? Guess I gotta go inform LSU they've been passed...
Convenient wording change from "program" to "team" in attempt to make your position any less ridiculous(it didn't work).
And no Dallas Baptist is not a better baseball team than LSU right now. But that was a nice deflection on the Mainieri/Cohen point.
You already stated that Southern Miss is a superior program to us. I'm not wasting my time arguing with anyone that is that far into full retard already.
Ha. That seems to be the way it works for a couple of Cohen supports. Unbelievable the blind support Cohen has with a few.
It's "blind support" to give a coach a pass 23 months off the best season of our history -- but it's common sense to want him fired for one bad season. Obviously.
If you think
we are the third program in the state, then I just can't honestly take anything you post as being serious.
we are the third program in the state, then I just can't honestly take anything you post as being serious.
Stop being obtuse. You know damn well who Chizik is. Just like you throwing out Butch Thompson as a Assistant Coach of the year. The fact Croom was a Coach of the Year proves that awards don't mean ****. Hell OM had a S&C coach under Nutt who won the same S&C Coach of the Year award while his team was absolutely pathetic.