Fire him tonight....
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Nope he's not. Where's Engie and Kurt?
Enlighten us "uninformed" people with some more stats, rhymes, and reasons why Cohen deserves another year. I beg of you.
Enlighten us "uninformed" people with some more stats, rhymes, and reasons why Cohen deserves another year. I beg of you.
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to set things straight and clear the air, you're on record as saying we will be worse next year.
to set things straight and clear the air, you're on record as saying we will be worse next year.
Thankfully we have rational people who make these decisions. Cohen went to the CWS two years ago and a super regional last year.
No he didn't. It was a regional.
Not necessarily for firing Cohen, but auburn fired chizik 2 years after a NC and they fine
Like hell he did! Holy **** some of you are amazing. If you're gonna suck up to Cohen, at least get your 17'n facts straight.
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Ok a regional. Point stands. You can't fire a coach off of two good years for one bad year, not at this school anyway.
Therefore this team should be just a little damn better, not a huge pile of steaming feces. After a CWS run and a SR, how in the world is this team so bad all around? Not just bad, but embarrassingly bad.
Ok, losing a 7-2 lead with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth is on the coaches. Good grief guys, even the Cohen apologists have to agree that he, Mingione, and Thompson have had a terrible year and deserve every bit of this criticism. The constant defending of them is ringing more and more hollow.
They better get it right next year, especially if they want to start construction on the House That John Built.
This was awful and fans are rightfully pissed.
They better get it right next year, especially if they want to start construction on the House That John Built.
This was awful and fans are rightfully pissed.
Matter of fact I probably go on and walk the bases full. Makes a double play at every base. But I have NEVER seen an intentional ball thrown in what looks to be the right move to intentionally walk a man, then a coach change is mind, mid intentional walk, and turn around and pitch to the batter. I have NEVER seen that. And of course, that batter beat us.
Sure you can. There is no reason to think next year will be much better. He's made enough stupid decisions this past season to cover a career for most.
It's on Cohen and Thompson and Mingione in the fact that they recruited pussies and have allowed them to remain pussies. That loss was on players being pussies. Plain and simple. And more than just one or two of them. They didn't put on 3 batters with one out to get. They didn't show up the umpire. They didn't choose to go to first on the hard bunt back to the pitcher for the first out in the 10th with a gimme at second if we aren't being uptight vaginas. They didn't cause the passed ball in the 10th -- and the ***** effort to get the ball and make a play when Collins had time to hose that guy at 3rd. They made a very perplexing decision to go after the batter after initially planning to intentionally walk him -- but that was an extremely small piece in how we actually lost that game.
That was another perfect amalgamation of our season. Prettymuch.
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How do you defend the decision tonight to pitch to a hitter with 1 out and a runner at third? Tell me how that makes sense?
They thought they could get a K there. Obviously. Had anything as small as the field being in "normal" condition been different -- that's a chopper to 3B and the guy is either frozen at 3B or hosed at home.
I thought it was a bad decision and certainly appears so with hindsight. But it was not an indefensible "fire the coach" decision. That game was lost in the 9th when Houston crumbled like a baby and wasted Sexton's tremendous outing simply by being too scared to throw strikes and force a team to beat you.
Fears in baseball are almost always realized -- and our team is scared almost top to bottom. A huge shakeup is coming. Has to be.
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It is year 7 of Cohen ball. Whatever happens is on him. If we have ***** players , then he is a ***** coach. This is HIS team. HE recruited them and coaches them. HE is responsible for this team and they are an embarrassment to this program. No excuses.
Hudson threw balls there? That's news to me. Looked to me like Hudson threw two damn good breakers, made the guy look stupid on the first one on 2-0, had him swinging one-footed at the second one that he chopped right into the ground, and it bounced all the way out of the infield. You can't script or account for that.
I wanted to intentionally walk him there. But I thought it was a good chance they'd get the K after the first curve ball. Didn't happen -- and that's baseball**
I'm confused where I stated otherwise?
Yep -- ***** coach. Played for a title 2 years ago. Fahrrrrr John Savage!!1!11!1
Only to those that only exercise hindsight on decisions that fail and skip right over all of the decisions that work. Which is a pretty significant portion of this fanbase. You don't win as much as we have won over the past 4 years by being an idiot. It's been a bad year. That's it. If it happens again next year, people can rightly get antsy in their pantsy...
Our fanbase is ridiculous. They lost their minds about Cohen for 2 years and Butch for 3 -- when they get proven idiots directly thereafter they "always knew they would win here and they had alot of cache because they had won before" -- we proceed to go on our best 4 year run in 15 years -- have a bad year -- and people are right back to the "Fahrrrr Cohen" thing. In less than a single season. Guess they forgot about the phantom cache he had allegedly built up last time...
I'm not one for calling out players. These kids are a product of THIS coaching staff. It's unfair to place them in the spotlight right now. The players deserve better than this. My greatest complaint about any player has been that they don't develop under Cohen.
I did not say you stated otherwise brother. I think we agree. we got a ***** team cause cohen is a ***** coach. im on board with you.
No they don't. These players don't "deserve" jack and the pretense that they do is just as big of part of their problem as anything to do with the coaching staff. At the end of the day, they are wearing the maroon and white -- and they aren't doing it with pride and effort. I don't give a **** how bad they hate the coach or how bad he messed with their swing.
Yeah -- they never develop under Cohen!!1!1 All of those guys that led us farther than we've ever been 2 years ago were freshmen. Obviously. Because they got worse over time. In which case, you obviously think we'll be pretty elite next year.
I don't think we have a "*****" coach. I think he's lost this team for whatever reason and is going to have to clean house among the player ranks in the offseason to get it back. He has to find the guys Lane Burroughs recruited that responded well to his style of coaching rather than the guys Perfect Game thinks is elite that he has allowed Mingione to bring in. Don't get me wrong -- that is all still ultimately on him. But he's been good enough here to get a free pass for a year. There is definitely an internal problem in our program that I can't quite put my finger on. But it hasn't been consistently present in Cohen teams. So I see no reason to think it will be here to stay based on that history. He had some roller coaster teams at UK. Maybe that will just be his reality here? I don't know. If he struggles next year, I'll be on board. But things change quickly and without obvious rhyme or reason in baseball.
Savage won a title 2 years ago at UCLA, missed the postseason and went sub .500 last year, and will most likely be back in Omaha this year. You simply can't judge this stuff off of a single season. But the concerning thing is that the physical talent shows itself in glimpses on this team -- only to watch those guys sink right back into their shells when the bright lights come on.
As long as Cohen continues to get a free pass as our coach, we will underachieve. He is hurting this program right now and will do so as long as we let him.
How much exactly have we won over the past 4 years? I know over the past 2 years we are 1-5 vs Ole Miss and 1-5 vs LSU in weekend series (I get the feeling going back beyond that its not much better, prove me wrong if you would like to). I consider those the two measuring stick series for our program. Ok we managed to sweep a horrendous Auburn team and and an equally horrendous Missouri team on the road last year to get to 18-12 (meaning we were 12-12 against teams with a pulse). Look I'm willing to give credit to Cohen for 2013, but in the context of the 6 other seasons, one appears to be more of an outlier than the others. I challenge you to find the most recent 7 year stretch with a worse SEC or overall record than the past 7. I'm not sure there is one.
Including his first 2 years in a judgement of him makes everything else you attempt to say invalid. And no one that knows baseball is judging teams on individual series. So, what's his all-time record against Bianco now? 30-20? I get it -- we have lost to our rivals and you are melting about it...
Playing for a K is a bad percentage play every time. No hindsight needed. Just incredibly stupid. But that's the Cohen way. I'm going to play my hunches, percentages be damned. And the 10% of the time I'm right, I'll look like a genius.
Cohen handles our pitching staff now too? I'll just add you to the unreasonable melt category...
We've been losing to our rivals for some time now. This isn't a new development, but it should be one that troubles all of us. I'd be more willing to forgive the first 2 years if they weren't eerily similar to what he's currently putting on the field with nobody to blame but himself. I'd say long term performance vs rivals should hold far more weight than two weeks in one season that are truly the only outstanding part of Cohen's tenure so far. Nothing else he has done outside of that two weeks can be argued to be better than anything Polk II (aka the devil) did.
How do we actually know who made that call? We don't. I thought at the time that it looked like it may have been a head coach overrule. Which would open a whole new can of worms. But the fact is -- Cohen has been hands off on the pitching staff practically since day 1 here. And Butch has been elite. Pat consistently blames Cohen every time there is a blip on the radar with the pitching staff here. I don't remember Cohen getting any credit when that same staff was elite. It's not a congruent viewpoint. It's the non congruence that I am taking issue with.