I need to know today whether the MSU faithful are confident in the new direction of our Football program. I don't have millions of dollars to endow to the university, but I do love My State. John Cohen made a great baseball hire 2 years ago with Lemonis with a team of talent and they were right back to Omaha. This Football coach comes in "Stacked with Defensive Talent" marginal offense but underperforms by most accounts. To all you True Maroon alums, students, fans or friends; how long should the downward spiral last...Again Bob Tyler (down) Emory Bellard (Up) Rocky Felker (down) Jackie Sherill (Up) Sylvester Croom (down) Dan Mullen (Up)….. now you tell what comes next???
Finebaum questions Moorehead Fit?????????
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Three 10 win seasons in the HISTORY of MSU football. The most recent being in 2014 when we had the best Quarterback to every be enrolled at MSU. Sometimes it helps to zoom out for perspective.
But we are a baseball school....how many National Championships? If we couldn't win it with Clark/Palmeiro and close to a dozen MLB players on that team it probably won't happen.
But we are a baseball school....how many National Championships? If we couldn't win it with Clark/Palmeiro and close to a dozen MLB players on that team it probably won't happen.
All I know is that State football and State baseball are not the same animal, and cannot be treated the same way. Jackie and Danny both brought a plan to MSU football, but neither got to the next level. I'm OK with re-tooling it a little bit and see what happens.
As long as recruiting doesn’t tank (which it clearly is not) you ride out Moorhead and give him a chance.
We complained forever how Mullen never beat the teams he wasn’t supposed to, we are trying something different to see if we can’t change that.
Patience is key, emotional decisions and lack of recruiting wreck programs. See Tennessee and Arkansas for each.
We complained forever how Mullen never beat the teams he wasn’t supposed to, we are trying something different to see if we can’t change that.
Patience is key, emotional decisions and lack of recruiting wreck programs. See Tennessee and Arkansas for each.
once again with all you people that say a poster is a troll just because they question a coach can take your tail over to gene's page and join the sheep.
Once again with you calling people sheep and telling them to go back to Gene's Page just because they don't think our program is imploding.
In fairness, the four posters above you have a combined 404 posts. That's definitely got the troll radar active.
I get your point... But "trying something different" can go both ways. Honestly.. After everything we've seen, do you think its more likely He wins 11 games this year or wins 5?
First I'm not a troll and second, you don't need to re-invent the wheel. Tenn. is absolute mismanagement but your mention of Arkansas is key. Bret Bilema just wrecked Arkansas for the last 5-10 years and I would hate msu to go through the same. Big Ten and Big 12 defense can't work in SEC and just scraping an incumbent system tells former recruits that you don't care about their futures, and former recruits talk to future recruits. This guy is leaving out transition which sounds like he has a short leesch or not a very confident hire by Cohen......
11 wins? I don’t know if that should ever be expected at State, it’s certainly never happened before.
I don’t know about Moorhead one way or the other yet. But it’s got to play itself out.
But that was your point... You said let's see if Moorhead could do the undooable (my words not yours). That's 11 or 12 wins. My question is.. Having seen what Morehead has done, is he more likely to get 5 wins or 11?
My word most certainly were not “do the undoable”. Beating teams he’s not supposed to beat doesn’t mean win the SEC, which would happen if we win 11 or 12.
I also already, stated I don’t know about Moorhead yet. If you want an answer to more likely to get 5 or 11 wins, we could have Nick 17ing Saban or Dabo Swinney and be more likely to have 5 before 11.
He sure as hell ain't gonna win 11 games with all the suspensions and injuries we are having this year. We don't have the luxury of a bench full of 5 stars to replace players with. Winning 9 with this team would be a challenge for the great and wonderous all seeing Saban. No matter what you think this is not a talent laden team.
Well 7 wins is closer to 5, and anyone, anyone who thought we were going to win 8 with losing 3 1st rounders, and 10 suspensions, was living in fantasy land.
Right now, we are 1 game down from where we were hoping to be after 3 weeks.
As much as I “expect” 15-0 every year, I never really think it will happen.
7 wins are still in play which is about what we should have expected.
Right now, we are 1 game down from where we were hoping to be after 3 weeks.
As much as I “expect” 15-0 every year, I never really think it will happen.
7 wins are still in play which is about what we should have expected.
Paul can't even sell Oxford
Wonder if the troll caught the best part of Finebaum's show today. He was talking to a California media guy and with a huge grin on his face Paul asks "what are your plans when you get there." Paul was obviously thinking the guy was going to give him an exciting description of what he has been told about the grove but instead gets "i have been to Paris, I have been to Dubai, I have been to Shanghai, but I have never been to......Memphis, Tennessee."
Obviously thrown for a loop Paul then says "well you are right you do have to fly to Memphis to get to Oxford". Paul then says he tells everybody that an Oxford game is on the list of locales you have to go to and the Cali guy gives him nothing and turns to the possible outcome of the game. Nice try Paul.
Wonder if the troll caught the best part of Finebaum's show today. He was talking to a California media guy and with a huge grin on his face Paul asks "what are your plans when you get there." Paul was obviously thinking the guy was going to give him an exciting description of what he has been told about the grove but instead gets "i have been to Paris, I have been to Dubai, I have been to Shanghai, but I have never been to......Memphis, Tennessee."
Obviously thrown for a loop Paul then says "well you are right you do have to fly to Memphis to get to Oxford". Paul then says he tells everybody that an Oxford game is on the list of locales you have to go to and the Cali guy gives him nothing and turns to the possible outcome of the game. Nice try Paul.
OK.. So 11 wins is unachievable with the pieces we have in place this year. I would agree...And you're right... With all the suspensions. But what about last year? He had the number 1 D in the country and an entire offense that won 9 games the year before. With all that, he lost to Kentucky at home and an AWFUL Florida team at home. I'm just curious what he needed to rebuild last year? From my point of view, he had an automatic 10 wins cued up and ready to go. He couldn't do it. The issues he displayed last year, he is displaying again this year. My point is, from the sample size I've seen... I don't think he can get it done. For whatever reason. He just isn't the guy. Am I screaming for his head.. No. But my opinion is that he isn't the guy.
That wasn't my point... I'm totally with you. 7 wins is a level headed win total pick for us. My point was, would he be more likely to get 5 or 11? From what we have seen, do you think it's more likely that he over achieves and gets 11 or underacheives and only gets 5?
It ain't exactly the biggest sample size in the world. But if a 62.5% winning percentage isn't "getting it done" at this school, with our history, you may want to revisit what "getting it done" means.
Kentucky and Florida both won 10 games last year and finished in the Top 12 of the AP Poll. We should've won both of those games, and how we lost the games was miserable, but it's not accurate to think they were just total gimme's. As good as our defense was, the personnel issues on offense were well documented and have been discussed ad nauseum.
I do think most of the frustration about this year is residual from last season. In a vacuum, losing a close game to a Top 25 team when our QB was injured and we had a ton of key contributors not available isn't nearly as bad of a loss as some are making it out to be. But people are still mad about last year so this gets tacked on to that. Not saying that's totally unjustified, but I do think a lot of our issues this year are different from issues we had last year. Some of that is on the coaches and needs to be fixed, other parts of it can't really be helped at the moment (injuries, suspensions, poor recruiting at certain positions by the previous staff, etc.).
Regardless of if people think they need a bigger sample size or if they've seen enough, he's going to be our coach for at least 21 more football games and has a bunch more opportunities to either prove you right or prove you wrong.
21 more I don’t know if take can hold my breath for 21 games. I am really hopin
I am am hoping he decides to resign and go some other place but I don’t know anyone who quits million dollar salaries so I will watch Dak and the Cowboys this I love MSU bulldog nation but I am kinda out until basketball. This season will be an emotional roller-coaster that I don’t want to ride. Bye now
I am am hoping he decides to resign and go some other place but I don’t know anyone who quits million dollar salaries so I will watch Dak and the Cowboys this I love MSU bulldog nation but I am kinda out until basketball. This season will be an emotional roller-coaster that I don’t want to ride. Bye now
Trojan Dawg...
Seems like there was a Trojan Horse too once, yes? Or was it a Trojan Rabbit...or perhaps it was a large badger?
Seems like there was a Trojan Horse too once, yes? Or was it a Trojan Rabbit...or perhaps it was a large badger?
Well, let’s see...in 117 years of playing college football we have zero years in which we’ve won 11 games, while we’ve won 5 or less 58 times.
I guess you gotta go with 5?
Put another way, since 1960, we’ve had at least 4 losses every year with five exceptions:
2014
1999
1980
1976
1974
So if you plan on hiring ANY coach that loses less than 4 games a year on a regular basis you might as well hire Santa Claus.
I guess you gotta go with 5?
Put another way, since 1960, we’ve had at least 4 losses every year with five exceptions:
2014
1999
1980
1976
1974
So if you plan on hiring ANY coach that loses less than 4 games a year on a regular basis you might as well hire Santa Claus.
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You're missing my point... The original poster said Cohen and crew were trying to buck the established system of losing to the big boys. They wanted to try "something different" to get over the hump. The way I see it, not many people are beating the big boys so I reduced it down to wins and loses... I don't care what past history is. My question is, based on what you've seen... Would you be more shocked if he won only 5 games... Or won 11 games. Do you believe, base on his coaching abilities, that he can win 11 games? No one has answered that question yet. Everyone just gives history lessons oh what our past record is... Not what they think that stupid 17 can actually do. If you think he can win 11, then you're saying you think he's ready to go toe to toe with Bama, LSU, and Auburn.
Hint: he can't. I don't give a **** who we have on our roster. The guy has shown that he can't manage a game. Way to sloppy... Way to unorganized... Just not smart enough.
Hint: he can't. I don't give a **** who we have on our roster. The guy has shown that he can't manage a game. Way to sloppy... Way to unorganized... Just not smart enough.
But to establish all these metrics you run a coach or put him on the hot seat this quickly? To develop an elite program I would think you have to build a group of players suited to fulfill your needs. Is he recruiting? Yes!! Has he 17 upped coaching? Yes. So now the question becomes is it because of not having all the pieces he needs to build a championship with his system or is he actually capable? I can argue both sides and can agree to an extent with both sides but at some point you have to give someone a chance based on their overall long term game plan.
Mullen had a decent plan that could of been great but he forgot to recruit to his system because he was too busy trying to market himself out of here.
2 years gives us a lot better pulse on this situation but until then it is still speculation either way. JMHO