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The best thing we are going to have to estimate Paul's true shooting ability is his entire career percentage which is 34.8%. Pretty good. But even that is only 115 attempts, and the 95% confidence interval is 26.1% to 44.2%.
 

RUsojo

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The best thing we are going to have to estimate Paul's true shooting ability is his entire career percentage which is 34.8%. Pretty good. But even that is only 115 attempts, and the 95% confidence interval is 26.1% to 44.2%.
Are you using field goal percentage or true shooting percentage?
 

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The best thing we are going to have to estimate Paul's true shooting ability is his entire career percentage which is 34.8%. Pretty good. But even that is only 115 attempts, and the 95% confidence interval is 26.1% to 44.2%.
27% to 45% actually since you conveniently forgot he was 2-2 today….
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I didn't register the word "median" in his post when I read it the first time. Makes more sense now.
By median - I was thinking that would be a better metric than average to look at how often (percentage of games) we were putrid from the perimeter. We’ve had some really brutal games this year but it’s felt like less games percentage wise overall. It may not be as good a metric as I thought because of how on fire we started last season vs. this season. Maybe more an observation from conference play (including when we played bad BIG teams last year).

As for looking at shots in aggregate - you can’t do that for evaluating our halfcourt game compared to last year’s team because the transition game doesn’t normalize the stats. That was a clear relative strength of last year’s team that boosts the overall shooting percentages (but I was only referring to our half court offense being better - we stink in transition this year obviously). Last year, I felt like we were pretty consistently in trouble though if we needed to play a halfcourt game. While this year outside of a handful of games our halfcourt offense has felt good enough with a decent defensive effort.
 
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RUChoppin

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Agreed. It's difficult for someone to take enough three pointers in even an entire college career to really know how good they are at them, at least from numbers alone.
And this is where statistical analysis hits the rocks a bit with basketball. You have to extrapolate assumptions based on very limited data sets, which is not that mathematically sound, but is fun nonetheless, lol

Also, you can look back on what has happened, or you can try to predict what will happen... the former is on a bit firmer ground.
 
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Agreed. It's difficult for someone to take enough three pointers in even an entire college career to really know how good they are at them, at least from numbers alone.
Yes but I like where Harper and Mulcahy are at with their catch-and-shoot shooting forms right now.
 

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Yes but I like where Harper and Mulcahy are at with their catch-and-shoot shooting forms right now.
Agree, and I think Geo is generally good on the catch and shoot as well. I think a lot of our bad three point shooting when it is bad is much more due to taking bad shots than it is to having bad shooters.
 

RUChoppin

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Overall, though, we had a pretty awful start to the season shooting the ball, and we've been much better since then. Question remains to be seen what we see from the team going forward, though.... did they get over a slump and now we see their "real" shooting level, or are just seeing a hot streak after a cold streak? No way to tell at this point, but its easy to look at the trend line and have a half-full mindset.

First 5 games:
.374 FG%, .437 2P%, .242 3P%, .670 FT%

11 games since:
.465 FG%, .498 2P%, .392 3P%, .673 FT%
 

Ru-baby

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Good points and agree.

The below stat--giveth and taketh away-tells a lot about some of last year. Could be great night, could be awful. Team trying to move toward consistency and seeemingly taking those steps.

Jacob Young 3.4 assists/3.0 TOs
 

RUsojo

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Update

2021: 12 turnovers per game
2020: 11.5 turnovers per game

2021: 67.6 points per game
2020: 69.3 points per game

2021: 16.2 assists per game
2020: 13.7 assists per game
 
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RUsojo

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17 to 7 assist to turnover ratio tonight propelled us to a 60 point offensive effort
 

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Didn’t bother reading all of the previous posts, but higher assist-to-turnover ratio also tells me…

- Less Jacob Young (or Geo) bailing us out when we need it from his ISO ball.
- Less individual drives to the basket, either in half court or in transition
- Less post-up points in the paint

There are some instances where maybe some individual talent goes a long way and opens up good looks for teammates.
 
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I want to start this thread because these threads ultimately turn into articles picked up and written by, with the beat writers or regional media members.....It is not going to be popular with some RU fans because it doesn't make sense or fit their reality of what Pike has done with this roster.

I have said for a long time, that you can lose talent on your roster and somehow, someway, become a better team. The biggest "factor" for RU....reducing turnovers and/or increasing assists.

RU is trending UP, because you have players who may still turn it over BUT are passing the ball more.

In the 2020-21 season

RU averaged 13.8 assists and 11.3 turnovers.....

In the 2021-22 season

RU is averaging 16.8 assists and 11.4 turnovers.

I know the sample size of opponents is not as large BUT in general terms, the ball moves more in recent games, when the change was made upon Baker returning and being paired with Caleb in the backcourt.....that re-slotted Mulcahy to the wing.

In the last 9 games (from UMass forward)....

RU is up to 18.78 assists to 11.89 turnovers.

RU in the last 4 games (Maine, CCSU, Michigan and Nebraska), RU is up to 22.25 assists and 11.25 turnovers.

If RU only averaged 13.8 assists per game last year and is trending towards staying above 16 to 17 assists per game, it clearly states to me,

A) more teammates in sync.

B) more teammates aware of where shots need to go.

C) playing Mulcahy and Cliff together more minutes, means better scoring.

The players had the following splits in 2020-21.

Jacob Young 3.4 assists/3.0 TOs

Montez Mathis 0.8 assists/1.1 TOs

Myles Johnson 0.8 assists/1.2 TOs.

Harper Jr. 1.6 assists/1.1 TOs

Baker 3.2 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff 0.2 assists/0.4 TOs

McConnell 1.6 assists/0.9 TOs

Mulcahy 2.9/1.6

Bottom line is RU is trending to be a better and more efficient offensive team and I am confident this trend continues the rest of the season.

We were a much better basketball team last year. Why? Because we had a better roster than we have this year.

PERIOD.
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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We were a much better basketball team last year. Why? Because we had a better roster than we have this year.

PERIOD.

The team last year is a better team athletically, but was a team that did not perform to its capabilities, because the players were not as good as a team, as they were as individual players. This year's team has as much ability to play better basketball, but the staff owns the responsibility of not playing its better players. You are going to win some close games and lose some close games over the course of a long season.

Frankly, I thought the staff would have done a much better job carving out a role for Aundre Hyatt and Jaden Jones and if they had done so, RU would be better than its current 12-9 record. But, I cannot place that all on the staff, Jones has not shown any willingness to this date, to do the necessary dirty work and other things needed that wins games in the B1G or any major conference. Maybe asking that of a true freshman wasn't an ideal situation and he needs more time or isn't cut out as a 18 or just 19 year old to be a huge part of the process.
 

GoFish2

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The team last year is a better team athletically, but was a team that did not perform to its capabilities, because the players were not as good as a team, as they were as individual players. This year's team has as much ability to play better basketball, but the staff owns the responsibility of not playing its better players. You are going to win some close games and lose some close games over the course of a long season.

Frankly, I thought the staff would have done a much better job carving out a role for Aundre Hyatt and Jaden Jones and if they had done so, RU would be better than its current 12-9 record. But, I cannot place that all on the staff, Jones has not shown any willingness to this date, to do the necessary dirty work and other things needed that wins games in the B1G or any major conference. Maybe asking that of a true freshman wasn't an ideal situation and he needs more time or isn't cut out as a 18 or just 19 year old to be a huge part of the process.
Jones isn't a true freshman though. He's been around long enough to have figured out some way to be more of an asset on an offensively challenged team. Have to place at least some blame on him. Coaches aren't trying to lose on purpose--if he could help the team, he'd be playing more.
 

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Hyatt and Jones have carved a role for themselves.

A knock on Pike that I can't defend is the double standard with a few of his seniors that are allowed to take off possessions.

No double standard since the roster is barren on the bench...
 

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No double standard since the roster is barren on the bench...
Hyatt never saw the floor again for doing something once that Harper did 10+ times last night.

Having said that I don't get the Hyatt and Jones thing. People need to put their preconceived notions of what these players are in the trash and start evaluating these players as if they are 2 star recruits.
 
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SirScarlet

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Hyatt never saw the floor again for doing something once that Harper did 10+ times last night.

Having said that I don't get the Hyatt and Jones thing. People need to put their preconceived notions of what these players are in the trash and start evaluating these players as if they are 2 star recruits.
look, its a fair point BUT if Hyatt can come remotely close to doing what Harper has done, and can do...then he maybe warrants different treatment. i thought Hyatt would be a bit more helpful than he's been.

Jones is still young, but put me in the camp of growing concern that he's not showing ANYTHING in practice to warrant even limited minutes. the moment he comes on the floor, he loses his guy defensively. that's not a "Pike emphasizes D too much"...that's basic basketball chops. you don't need to be an elite defender...but come on. He's young, and hopefully he is bought in and works on that.

also...man do I miss Yeboah
 

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Hyatt never saw the floor again for doing something once that Harper did 10+ times last night.

Having said that I don't get the Hyatt and Jones thing. People need to put their preconceived notions of what these players are in the trash and start evaluating these players as if they are 2 star recruits.

Weeeeeeeehhhhhhlllll...

Whose fault is that?
 
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What is so frustrating is that Iowa game proved that when Harper and Geo wanted to play great defense, they were capable of it.

Unfortunately, both have reverted back to their so-so D that they played for much of last season.

Best of Luck,
Groz
 

RUChoppin

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Hyatt never saw the floor again for doing something once that Harper did 10+ times last night.

Having said that I don't get the Hyatt and Jones thing. People need to put their preconceived notions of what these players are in the trash and start evaluating these players as if they are 2 star recruits.

Agree. HS rankings and production mean jack once you step on a college court.

Right now, Jones is a project and Hyatt is showing progress but hasn't fully "clicked" yet.

I'm not necessarily ready to put Jones in the 4-stars-that-didn't-pan-out bucket with Doucoure, but so far he hasn't shown me anything to make me think he deserves more time ahead of other guys on the roster - or to expect he'll be a key piece next year. He's got a lot of work to put in.
 
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PiscatawayMike

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Nothing about this team is consistent. That's what is so frustrating. Pike is unable to pencil in a guy and know that he will do what is expected of him, game in and game out.

When Kevin Bannon was HC, he repeatedly said, paraphrasing, when I put a player in a game, my expectations of him are to perform at a level at which I know he can perform. If you're not playing consistently at the level you can, you're useless to me.

If that's the case, Pike has a roster of players who are useless to him....lol
 

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Sometimes a controversial OP rings true in some areas and not so true in others. In this case, there was no merit and only conjecture and prophecy never self-fulfilled.

Let's let leave it at that and let this one die now that everyone has had time to comeback to it.
 
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Several times last night I thought Harper was trying to force himself to be "the man". One of those times he shocked me and passed to the wing for Mulcahy. LAte with time running down.. we saw him wave people off at the top of the key... that had 2 results.. wasting time to set up his one on some moves.. and letting the D know what was coming.. I think, maybe, his rash of charge calls indicates that he is forcing things.

What we really need from all of them is.. TEAM basketball.

Several times I thought Mulcahy might be getting too much rim-vision... but as I watched more carefully.. running my own replays.. you can see him looking for outlets before putting up his shots around the rim most of the time.. and his assists kinda prove that.

And as someone said above.. Harper was taking possessions off. If he needs to do that because he is under the weather or is playing too many minutes for someone his size or depending on who he D's up... then that is on Harper and the coaches for not getting him more time on the bench throughout the game.

I understand.. we were down a lot in the first half and you'd think that would mean you need your scorers out there... but, this season, how often has that worked? Early in the season, Harper scored well... but is he wearing out? I don't know.. but something is OFF.
 
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DHajekRC84

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Nothing about this team is consistent. That's what is so frustrating. Pike is unable to pencil in a guy and know that he will do what is expected of him, game in and game out.

When Kevin Bannon was HC, he repeatedly said, paraphrasing, when I put a player in a game, my expectations of him are to perform at a level at which I know he can perform. If you're not playing consistently at the level you can, you're useless to me.

If that's the case, Pike has a roster of players who are useless to him....lol
That would make Pike useless to me as he is not either.
Look, I like the guy and want him to succeed but he seems to be willing to do little to change things up.
Now that having been said I did see Geo sitting on the bench while Paul led the team. And unfortunately it turned out to be ineffective (but that is on Geo).
OK, just once I want to see him rip a players a$$ in a game and then I'll shut up. Team is too laid back and reflects the coach.
 

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That would make Pike useless to me as he is not either.
Look, I like the guy and want him to succeed but he seems to be willing to do little to change things up.
Now that having been said I did see Geo sitting on the bench while Paul led the team. And unfortunately it turned out to be ineffective (but that is on Geo).
OK, just once I want to see him rip a players a$$ in a game and then I'll shut up. Team is too laid back and reflects the coach.
I think @zappaa is in a position to tell you what you see on TV isn't what you see in the huddle. Having said that you are asking Pikiell to be be what he isn't. He treats his players with respect. Ripping them out in the public to satisfy fans is something he isn't going to do.
 
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DHajekRC84

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I think @zappaa is in a position to tell you what you see on TV isn't what you see in the huddle. Having said that you are asking Pikiell to be be what he isn't. He treats his players with respect. Ripping them out in the public to satisfy fans is something he isn't going to do.
With all due respect to Dale that was like 30+ years ago and it was a dugout not a huddle. I know what Pikiell is and didn't claim otherwise. But to suggest he is anything even close to a task master would be laughable. He claps, chats, smiles, etc. Never gotten a T. So maybe even a stern look?
Giving players some grief isn't disrespecting them. I didn't say he should pull their pants down. Heck, if you really respect them perhaps challenging them a bit is exactly what they need to achieve.
So ok. Never going to happen. But he can own it too.
 

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I think @zappaa is in a position to tell you what you see on TV isn't what you see in the huddle. Having said that you are asking Pikiell to be be what he isn't. He treats his players with respect. Ripping them out in the public to satisfy fans is something he isn't going to do.
What about ripping a player for that players own good?

Its needed at times from coaches
 
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RUJMM78

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With all due respect to Dale that was like 30+ years ago and it was a dugout not a huddle. I know what Pikiell is and didn't claim otherwise. But to suggest he is anything even close to a task master would be laughable. He claps, chats, smiles, etc. Never gotten a T. So maybe even a stern look?
Giving players some grief isn't disrespecting them. I didn't say he should pull their pants down. Heck, if you really respect them perhaps challenging them a bit is exactly what they need to achieve.
So ok. Never going to happen. But he can own it too.
I would not be surprised that Pikiell at half time gave the team a pep talk blasting the performance but also reminding the players that there is still 20 minutes to play.
 

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With all due respect to Dale that was like 30+ years ago and it was a dugout not a huddle. I know what Pikiell is and didn't claim otherwise. But to suggest he is anything even close to a task master would be laughable. He claps, chats, smiles, etc. Never gotten a T. So maybe even a stern look?
Giving players some grief isn't disrespecting them. I didn't say he should pull their pants down. Heck, if you really respect them perhaps challenging them a bit is exactly what they need to achieve.
So ok. Never going to happen. But he can own it too.
He sits behind the bench. Nothing to do with any past life he has.
 

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I would not be surprised that Pikiell at half time gave the team a pep talk blasting the performance but also reminding the players that there is still 20 minutes to play.
And the pregame talk of like forever? Maybe he should start the game with his halftime " pep" talk .