Factors to consider.....

NewJerseyHawk

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I want to start this thread because these threads ultimately turn into articles picked up and written by, with the beat writers or regional media members.....It is not going to be popular with some RU fans because it doesn't make sense or fit their reality of what Pike has done with this roster.

I have said for a long time, that you can lose talent on your roster and somehow, someway, become a better team. The biggest "factor" for RU....reducing turnovers and/or increasing assists.

RU is trending UP, because you have players who may still turn it over BUT are passing the ball more.

In the 2020-21 season

RU averaged 13.8 assists and 11.3 turnovers.....

In the 2021-22 season

RU is averaging 16.8 assists and 11.4 turnovers.

I know the sample size of opponents is not as large BUT in general terms, the ball moves more in recent games, when the change was made upon Baker returning and being paired with Caleb in the backcourt.....that re-slotted Mulcahy to the wing.

In the last 9 games (from UMass forward)....

RU is up to 18.78 assists to 11.89 turnovers.

RU in the last 4 games (Maine, CCSU, Michigan and Nebraska), RU is up to 22.25 assists and 11.25 turnovers.

If RU only averaged 13.8 assists per game last year and is trending towards staying above 16 to 17 assists per game, it clearly states to me,

A) more teammates in sync.

B) more teammates aware of where shots need to go.

C) playing Mulcahy and Cliff together more minutes, means better scoring.

The players had the following splits in 2020-21.

Jacob Young 3.4 assists/3.0 TOs

Montez Mathis 0.8 assists/1.1 TOs

Myles Johnson 0.8 assists/1.2 TOs.

Harper Jr. 1.6 assists/1.1 TOs

Baker 3.2 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff 0.2 assists/0.4 TOs

McConnell 1.6 assists/0.9 TOs

Mulcahy 2.9/1.6

Bottom line is RU is trending to be a better and more efficient offensive team and I am confident this trend continues the rest of the season.
 

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I’m with you so far Hawk. THANKS for your post. Hoping you have the 21 vs 22 assist to turnover splits coming as your post appears to have been posted prematurely.
Oh, I was with you up until “I am confident” in the last sentence. For me the jury still out on this team. Let’s get a road win this week and my confidence will go up.
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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The 2021-22 splits for RU, so far this season

Harper Jr......2.0 assists/1.6 TOs

Baker.........4.4 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff□........0.6 assists/1.4 TOs

McConnell....2.8 assists/1.7 TOs

Mulcahy 4.9 assists/1.8 TOs

Hyatt......1.2 assists/0.8 TOs

Jones......0.2 assists/0.1 TOs

Mag.......0.6 assists/0.8 TOs

Agee.....0.4 assists/0.8 TOs

Reiber......0.3 assists/0.4 TOs.....

Miller.......0.6 assists/0.5 TOs....

If you factor in the thoughts that RU cannot continue to shoot this well from 3.....obviously RU isn't going to shoot 46% from 3, like they have in the 4 game win streak, but even if they come down to the mid 30s, the willingness to not "take off" with the ball like last year, means better shots for players who are or were open.....

Time to bring this trend on the road at Penn State and going forward.
 

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Some of us have been saying this for the last few years. When you space the floor and pass the ball well on offense, you will get more open looks and thus will hit more shots, even if you are not great shooters.

Some posters kept insisting that teams leave us open because we are not good shooters.

The difference in shooting the ball when you are WIDE OPEN versus passing up the open shots and allowing the defense to recover is "night and day" when your next shot is closer, BUT with a the defense all over you.

Best of Luck,
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The assist to turnover ratio for the team is a very positive trend and coincident with a nice winning streak. Shows an offense that earlier in the season was a bit dysfunctional that is now functional.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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The splits per game on Assists to TO ratio.

Lehigh......14/11

Merrimack......12/13

NJIT.....10/7

DePaul....17/12

Lafayette.....13/9

@UMass.....25/10

Clemson......15/7

@Illinois....14/14

Purdue.....18/16 (Harper 4TOs, Caleb & Paul 3).

@ Seton Hall.....8/15 (Cliff 3, Baker/Agee/Hyatt 2 TOs each)

Maine.....21/10

CCSU.....25/12 (Aiden Terry had 2 TOs in garbage time, Jalen Miller and Reiber 2, Luke Nathan had 1)

Michigan....20/10 (Caleb had 4 TOs)

Nebraska 23/13 (Mulcahy 4, Caleb 3).

I can probably process a couple of the Caleb TOs vs Nebraska and Michigan, because he is playing electric defense to compliment his play.
 

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The splits per game on Assists to TO ratio.

Lehigh......14/11

Merrimack......12/13

NJIT.....10/7

DePaul....17/12

Lafayette.....13/9

@UMass.....25/10

Clemson......15/7

@Illinois....14/14

Purdue.....18/16 (Harper 4TOs, Caleb & Paul 3).

@ Seton Hall.....8/15 (Cliff 3, Baker/Agee/Hyatt 2 TOs each)

Maine.....21/10

CCSU.....25/12 (Aiden Terry had 2 TOs in garbage time, Jalen Miller and Reiber 2, Luke Nathan had 1)

Michigan....20/10 (Caleb had 4 TOs)

Nebraska 23/13 (Mulcahy 4, Caleb 3).

I can probably process a couple of the Caleb TOs vs Nebraska and Michigan, because he is playing electric defense to compliment his play.

Hawk- Good points all around. The offensive numbers above also support the notion that a lack of defensive intensity was the reason for the UMass and DePaul losses. RU’s defense has also tightened up considerably over the past few games.
 
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The 2021-22 splits for RU, so far this season

Harper Jr......2.0 assists/1.6 TOs

Baker.........4.4 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff□........0.6 assists/1.4 TOs

McConnell....2.8 assists/1.7 TOs

Mulcahy 4.9 assists/1.8 TOs

Hyatt......1.2 assists/0.8 TOs

Jones......0.2 assists/0.1 TOs

Mag.......0.6 assists/0.8 TOs

Agee.....0.4 assists/0.8 TOs

Reiber......0.3 assists/0.4 TOs.....

Miller.......0.6 assists/0.5 TOs....

If you factor in the thoughts that RU cannot continue to shoot this well from 3.....obviously RU isn't going to shoot 46% from 3, like they have in the 4 game win streak, but even if they come down to the mid 30s, the willingness to not "take off" with the ball like last year, means better shots for players who are or were open.....

Time to bring this trend on the road at Penn State and going forward.
I know Assists to Turnover ratio are paired because they are both offensive stats, but it would be cool to factor in steals as well, which in a sense would negate the turnovers, especially for Caleb and Geo, I would think.
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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Hawk- Good points all around. The offensive numbers above also support the notion that a lack of defensive intensity was the reason for the UMass and DePaul losses. RU’s defense has also tightened up considerably over the past few games.

UMass and one other game at the RAC was probably one of the best coached games on one end of the floor (offense) and a complete and utter breakdown on defense....

The close outs on shooters with lunging and trying for blocked shots on UMass 3 point shooters, was as bad/disgusting as anything I have seen.....it is a fundamental breakdown on what you don't do on the defensive end....those 3 and 4 point plays allowed UMass to stick around, despite RU getting pretty much whatever they needed on the offensive end.

I consider the UMass game an aberration of defense more than anything, but that's a game like St Bona a couple of years ago, where the Bonnie's just hit everything from 3.....sometimes a game just isn't going to go your way and I think Nebraska last year falls into the 1 or 2 games a year, where your opponent just plays lights out.
 

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Hawk- Good points all around. The offensive numbers above also support the notion that a lack of defensive intensity was the reason for the UMass and DePaul losses. RU’s defense has also tightened up considerably over the past few games.
Yes - the question is can we maintain the defensive intensity when the shots stop falling. Last year that was a big problem. It was only one half, but the first half of the Nebraska game was encouraging to watch. We didn’t shoot that well to start but held our ground on defense to go into the half with a big lead.
 

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I want to start this thread because these threads ultimately turn into articles picked up and written by, with the beat writers or regional media members.....It is not going to be popular with some RU fans because it doesn't make sense or fit their reality of what Pike has done with this roster.

I have said for a long time, that you can lose talent on your roster and somehow, someway, become a better team. The biggest "factor" for RU....reducing turnovers and/or increasing assists.

RU is trending UP, because you have players who may still turn it over BUT are passing the ball more.

In the 2020-21 season

RU averaged 13.8 assists and 11.3 turnovers.....

In the 2021-22 season

RU is averaging 16.8 assists and 11.4 turnovers.

I know the sample size of opponents is not as large BUT in general terms, the ball moves more in recent games, when the change was made upon Baker returning and being paired with Caleb in the backcourt.....that re-slotted Mulcahy to the wing.

In the last 9 games (from UMass forward)....

RU is up to 18.78 assists to 11.89 turnovers.

RU in the last 4 games (Maine, CCSU, Michigan and Nebraska), RU is up to 22.25 assists and 11.25 turnovers.

If RU only averaged 13.8 assists per game last year and is trending towards staying above 16 to 17 assists per game, it clearly states to me,

A) more teammates in sync.

B) more teammates aware of where shots need to go.

C) playing Mulcahy and Cliff together more minutes, means better scoring.

The players had the following splits in 2020-21.

Jacob Young 3.4 assists/3.0 TOs

Montez Mathis 0.8 assists/1.1 TOs

Myles Johnson 0.8 assists/1.2 TOs.

Harper Jr. 1.6 assists/1.1 TOs

Baker 3.2 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff 0.2 assists/0.4 TOs

McConnell 1.6 assists/0.9 TOs

Mulcahy 2.9/1.6

Bottom line is RU is trending to be a better and more efficient offensive team and I am confident this trend continues the rest of the season.
Good analysis and perspective. Keep it up Hawk!
 

NewJerseyHawk

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I know Assists to Turnover ratio are paired because they are both offensive stats, but it would be cool to factor in steals as well, which in a sense would negate the turnovers, especially for Caleb and Geo, I would think.

Steals are a stat that is dictated by an individual effort that either works and adds to your stat line, but doesn't measure what you give up, when you don't get a steal.

The defensive end is going to be tested based on the gameplan....are you playing within the defensive gameplan??

I posted that before the Purdue game, the path to victory (if there was one), would be to play Zach Edey and Trevion Williams 1 on 1 and if they score on dunks, or 2 pointers, let them have those plays......I cannot allow Stefanovic and others on Purdue to ping-pong the ball around, after RU doubles the post, trying to stop a 2 pointer and wind up giving up an open 3.....

I would apply the same gameplan to Michigan.....some posters unaware, said "stop Hunter Dickinson "....why would I try and stop Dickinson, when he's only getting 2s.....?? I'm not double teaming Dickinson, so Eli Brooks and others on Michigan can get wide open 3s......

I am not saying the game plan vs Illinois was bad (it was actually beyond bad)......if Kofi Cockburn gets 6 dunks against Cliff or Reiber or Agee and he scored 30 to 35 points, I would live with that.....

OR

Do you allow Cockburn to then pass the ball out of the post and it moves quickly to open 3 point shooters, parked at the 3 point line?? Illinois destroyed RU by RU not letting Cockburn go off or one on one....I would have stayed attached to shooters and a 2 is fine, 3s will kill you....

Sometimes the steals are timely, or a team is sloppy passing against RU......the staff and coaches etc (not the players) are responsible for the defensive end of the court.....it is up to Brandin Knight, TJ Thompson and Pike to scout, understand the opposition and keep up with trends on

A) what can you stop and preparing for what an opponent runs on offense.....you have to simulate in practice, what opponents do, in order to stop it....(Nebraska and other coaches do NOT coach defensively, it is apparent from watching teams play, on what staff is prepared on defense or only focus on offense)....

B) what cant you stop and do you have to live with??

For tonight, I am not digging down and worried about John Harrar fouling out Cliff or getting Cliff in foul trouble.....I am staying attached to Dredd, Pickett and PSU from the perimeter....
 

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Steals are a stat that is dictated by an individual effort that either works and adds to your stat line, but doesn't measure what you give up, when you don't get a steal.

I know this is impossible to prove one way or the other, but it just feels to me this year that more of our steals are coming from strong defense rather than an individual making a gamble. Our length has bothered teams, and we've gotten tipped balls, forced bad passes into tight windows, etc. I'm curious how many shot clock violations we've caused, too, compared to last season.

I've just gotten a sense that we've given up less this year on a "per steal" basis, but that's just an impression that I can't back up with anything.
 

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Our final record and making or not making the NCAA tourney will qualify this thread as correct or incorrect.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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I know this is impossible to prove one way or the other, but it just feels to me this year that more of our steals are coming from strong defense rather than an individual making a gamble. Our length has bothered teams, and we've gotten tipped balls, forced bad passes into tight windows, etc. I'm curious how many shot clock violations we've caused, too, compared to last season.

I've just gotten a sense that we've given up less this year on a "per steal" basis, but that's just an impression that I can't back up with anything.

That could be based on are you on point with what your opponent wants to do. If the Purdue game commentary by the BTN network is to be considered accurate, McConnell disrupted more sets that Purdue/Painter wanted to run.....

Are you a player that studies the opponents?? Or do you free lance and rely on your speed and athletic ability/hands/instincts??

The only comments from the post games that I pay attention to are what does Pike "indirectly " tell you about the result of the game.....the 2 more consistently mentioned items in the post-game interviews....

A) Share the game/ball with teammates

B) players absorbed the game plan in 48 hours....

C) Gives assistant coaches/players on both teams credit.

My own observation from last 2 years to this year, is RU is more calm or not as erratic when something doesn't go their way......body-language isn't as easy to read.....the departing players let you know that they were playing well or if they weren't, based on how the last play went.

It just feels a little more sure about what they're doing on both ends.....when mistakes are made on the defensive end, it doesn't seem like it's a big deal....the communication looks to be there on what has to happen.

These items are going to be tested when they aren't draining threes or aren't getting stops on defense. But if the team is more connected, the missed 3s or missed FTs, don't appear to impact this roster like last year's did.
 

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Hawk- Good points all around. The offensive numbers above also support the notion that a lack of defensive intensity was the reason for the UMass and DePaul losses. RU’s defense has also tightened up considerably over the past few games.
Those games were on the road where Rutgers has yet to win.Rutgers challenge is to continue the recent improvement in offensive efficiency in front of hostile crowds .
 

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That could be based on are you on point with what your opponent wants to do. If the Purdue game commentary by the BTN network is to be considered accurate, McConnell disrupted more sets that Purdue/Painter wanted to run.....

Are you a player that studies the opponents?? Or do you free lance and rely on your speed and athletic ability/hands/instincts??

The only comments from the post games that I pay attention to are what does Pike "indirectly " tell you about the result of the game.....the 2 more consistently mentioned items in the post-game interviews....

A) Share the game/ball with teammates

B) players absorbed the game plan in 48 hours....

C) Gives assistant coaches/players on both teams credit.

My own observation from last 2 years to this year, is RU is more calm or not as erratic when something doesn't go their way......body-language isn't as easy to read.....the departing players let you know that they were playing well or if they weren't, based on how the last play went.

It just feels a little more sure about what they're doing on both ends.....when mistakes are made on the defensive end, it doesn't seem like it's a big deal....the communication looks to be there on what has to happen.

These items are going to be tested when they aren't draining threes or aren't getting stops on defense. But if the team is more connected, the missed 3s or missed FTs, don't appear to impact this roster like last year's did.
Experience.
 

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The 2021-22 splits for RU, so far this season

Harper Jr......2.0 assists/1.6 TOs

Baker.........4.4 assists/1.7 TOs

Cliff□........0.6 assists/1.4 TOs

McConnell....2.8 assists/1.7 TOs

Mulcahy 4.9 assists/1.8 TOs

Hyatt......1.2 assists/0.8 TOs

Jones......0.2 assists/0.1 TOs

Mag.......0.6 assists/0.8 TOs

Agee.....0.4 assists/0.8 TOs

Reiber......0.3 assists/0.4 TOs.....

Miller.......0.6 assists/0.5 TOs....

If you factor in the thoughts that RU cannot continue to shoot this well from 3.....obviously RU isn't going to shoot 46% from 3, like they have in the 4 game win streak, but even if they come down to the mid 30s, the willingness to not "take off" with the ball like last year, means better shots for players who are or were open.....

Time to bring this trend on the road at Penn State and going forward.

You have to also wonder how much of this increased assist total comes from making the right pass that leads to the right shot and a higher probability of a good shot? In other words, so far this season there is a lot less Baker or RHJ at the top of the key with under 7 seconds left and forced to create shots with a good portion being a lower quality shot. Ive always said that Baker is a better 3pt shooter than his numbers show and he is much closer to this year's 3pt % vs. the prior couple seasons.
 

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Yes - the question is can we maintain the defensive intensity when the shots stop falling. Last year that was a big problem. It was only one half, but the first half of the Nebraska game was encouraging to watch. We didn’t shoot that well to start but held our ground on defense to go into the half with a big lead.
This is it.
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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But we’re worse not better….not getting the OP


I know that there is a significant "talent difference " from last year to this year....but RU is now 21st in the country in "assists per game".....16.7 assists per game.....16 today at Maryland, in another win, with a host of stupid turnovers and what many fans see as lax play at time.

Last year, RU was 115th in assists per game.....at 13.7 assists per game....more talent on roster, less assists per game......

Another team that is significantly more talented, significantly more athletic and defeated RU, is Seton Hall....

Seton Hall is 321st out of 358 D1 teams at 10.2 assists per game.....but SHU has so many athletes, can go 1 on 1, with a bunch of veterans, does it matter?? Maybe it does, maybe it catches up to RU (lack of talent) or SHU (lack of assists).

I would rather be trending UP towards the top of assists, because sharing the ball, overcomes having great athletes....if RU keep trending at this rate, they should be as good as last year, despite a huge "talent drop off"......

Just something to consider..
 

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It’s great that both Harper and Mulcahy are knocking down their catch-and-shoot threes consistently since they are taking most of them. Harper is now around 47% from three on the season and Mulcahy is just under 40% from three for the season if you exclude his 0-6 over the first three non-conference games. Good teams dribble drive and find guys on the arc and Rutgers was a good team today.
 

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I know that there is a significant "talent difference " from last year to this year....but RU is now 21st in the country in "assists per game".....16.7 assists per game.....16 today at Maryland, in another win, with a host of stupid turnovers and what many fans see as lax play at time.

Last year, RU was 115th in assists per game.....at 13.7 assists per game....more talent on roster, less assists per game......

Another team that is significantly more talented, significantly more athletic and defeated RU, is Seton Hall....

Seton Hall is 321st out of 358 D1 teams at 10.2 assists per game.....but SHU has so many athletes, can go 1 on 1, with a bunch of veterans, does it matter?? Maybe it does, maybe it catches up to RU (lack of talent) or SHU (lack of assists).

I would rather be trending UP towards the top of assists, because sharing the ball, overcomes having great athletes....if RU keep trending at this rate, they should be as good as last year, despite a huge "talent drop off"......

Just something to consider..
I consider that there are multiple ways to skin a cat and the fact that we currently have a better assist ratio and worst team vs last years better team with a worst assist ratio means this is a thread lacking substance that is pointing out numbers that are nice to see.

I also consider that this years team going into day was 296th in turnovers for game which is a hit worse than last years team which was 290th.

I also consider that those extra 3 assists per game are allowing this years team to be 237th in the country in field goal percentage compared to last years team which was 122nd in the country in field goal percentage with 3 less assists and .1 less turnovers.

Im just shocked beat writers didn’t see this thread and write an article about it….Really don’t know what this thread is trying to accomplish other than drag Jacob Young unnecessarily.
 
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You could’ve just saved a lot of time and just said “I think we’re better off without Jacob Young, Montez Mathis and Myles Johnson” being on the team. Montez was definitely a net negative the last 2 plus months of the season but otherwise, sorry, no. Not better on offense and certainly not better on defense losing those guys. Cliff is healthy and is tremendously improved, Geo is healthy, and Ron is making open threes when he couldn’t throw it in the ocean after December last year. Not to mention Caleb is fully healthy and Paul is more willing to shoot instead of pass every time.
 

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It’s great that both Harper and Mulcahy are knocking down their catch-and-shoot threes consistently since they are taking most of them. Harper is now around 47% from three on the season and Mulcahy is just under 40% from three for the season if you exclude his 0-6 over the first three non-conference games. Good teams dribble drive and find guys on the arc and Rutgers was a good team today.
Mulcahy is actually shooting 100% this season from three if you exclude his 0-37 on ones he missed. So that's something to keep in mind.
 

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I consider that there are multiple ways to skin a cat and the fact that we currently have a better assist ratio and worst team vs last years better team with a worst assist ratio means this is a thread lacking substance that is pointing out numbers that are nice to see.

I also consider that this years team going into day was 296th in turnovers for game which is a hit worse than last years team which was 290th.

I also consider that those extra 3 assists per game are allowing this years team to be 237th in the country in field goal percentage compared to last years team which was 122nd in the country in field goal percentage with 3 less assists and .1 less turnovers.

Im just shocked beat writers didn’t see this thread and write an article about it….Really don’t know what this thread is trying to accomplish other than drag Jacob Young unnecessarily.

Young isn't mentioned in this....whats the PPG from last year to this year.....??? LMAO
 

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You could’ve just saved a lot of time and just said “I think we’re better off without Jacob Young, Montez Mathis and Myles Johnson” being on the team. Montez was definitely a net negative the last 2 plus months of the season but otherwise, sorry, no. Not better on offense and certainly not better on defense losing those guys. Cliff is healthy and is tremendously improved, Geo is healthy, and Ron is making open threes when he couldn’t throw it in the ocean after December last year. Not to mention Caleb is fully healthy and Paul is more willing to shoot instead of pass every time.

I didn't say RU was better, just saying they're playing a different brand of basketball and passing more, much more than last years roster.....it either sustains itself or it doesn't.....
 

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I didn't say RU was better, just saying they're playing a different brand of basketball and passing more, much more than last years roster.....it either sustains itself or it doesn't.....
Your OP said:

“you can lose talent on your roster and somehow, someway, become a better team. The biggest "factor" for RU....reducing turnovers and/or increasing assists.”
 

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Mulcahy is actually shooting 100% this season from three if you exclude his 0-37 on ones he missed. So that's something to keep in mind.
Yes, I see your point. However, it feels overall (not just Paul but everyone) like maybe our median shooting percentage is better this year (especially from long range)? You can’t throw out the dud shooting games but it is meaningful to observe if they’ve occurred less often. The stats won’t even tell the whole story as transition points camouflaged how bad last years team was with running halfcourt offense. I feel like we’re improved this season with that. Transition game unfortunately is really weak.
 

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Yes, I see your point. However, it feels overall (not just Paul but everyone) like maybe our median shooting percentage is better this year (especially from long range)? You can’t throw out the dud shooting games but it is meaningful to observe if they’ve occurred less often. The stats won’t even tell the whole story as transition points camouflaged how bad last years team was with running halfcourt offense. I feel like we’re improved this season with that. Transition game unfortunately is really weak.
This years 3p% per game median is 28.6%. Last year it was 27.6% (two median games .267 and .286).

This years fg% per game median is 43.3%. Last year was 43.85%.

(through 1/11*)
 

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Yes, I see your point. However, it feels overall (not just Paul but everyone) like maybe our median shooting percentage is better this year (especially from long range)? You can’t throw out the dud shooting games but it is meaningful to observe if they’ve occurred less often. The stats won’t even tell the whole story as transition points camouflaged how bad last years team was with running halfcourt offense. I feel like we’re improved this season with that. Transition game unfortunately is really weak.
I think this is a thing where you are going to have to use basketball knowledge and actually watching the games to make conclusions as the samples aren't large enough.

We are 102/298 for the year. The 95% confidence interval on the true 3p make % given that sample is 28.9% to 39.9%.

For last year we were 172/550, confidence interval 27.4% to 35.3%.
 

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(This is assuming every shot is independent and has equal probability of going in. Obviously not correct but I imagine is close enough.)
 

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This years 3p% per game median is 28.6%. Last year it was 27.6% (two median games .267 and .286).

This years fg% per game median is 43.3%. Last year was 43.85%.

(through 1/11*)
What an absolutely random statistic that is.
 

RUsojo

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What an absolutely random statistic that is.
@PSAL_Hoops was wondering what it was so I did the work for him. Just a math inquiry not sure what else there is to say about it. Random in the sense it’s a one off statistic but not random in the sense it was in the midst of a conversation about it.
 

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@PSAL_Hoops was wondering what it was so I did the work for him. Just a math inquiry not sure what else there is to say about it. Random in the sense it’s a one off statistic but not random in the sense it was in the midst of a conversation about it.
I didn't register the word "median" in his post when I read it the first time. Makes more sense now.
 

Knight Owl

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Mulcahy is actually shooting 100% this season from three if you exclude his 0-37 on ones he missed. So that's something to keep in mind.
So your point is that Mulcahy is a poor three point shooter since he’s at around 32% this year despite the fact that he shot 39% last season. OK whatever.
 

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So your point is that Mulcahy is a poor three point shooter since on the season he’s at around 32% this year despite the fact that he was at 39% last season. OK whatever.
No. My point is that you are horribly misusing statistics. As is anyone who is using the 37 (!) three points that Mulcahy has attempted this year to make any conclusions about his shooting.

I gave confidence intervals for the whole team above. The 95% confidence interval for Mulcahy's true 3 point percentage using only the shots from this season is.. 18% to 50%.