EXPECTATIONS....
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I've been telling people to temper their expectations for 4 years now. We simply are not, and never have been, in a position to rebound in 2 years after a HC spends 3+ years destroying a program. Bottom line.
EXCUSES!!! We are suppose beat teams like OSU!!!! You are just setting the bar too low! If we don't win the National Championship this year, we should just rehire Flood and then fire him again the same day!
Am I doing it right?
I think we have to give Ash time to build his own team, freshman through seniors. So he needs at least two more years. Beside, as I understand it, the buy-out becomes lower then.
I think 31trap is way off base to think anybody is going to resign even if things continue to be terrible. The second year is just too soon. Ash will be kept on for his contract unless the players quit on him, and there is no sign of that. They try hard, but just don't have the talent. Remember, winning is less about the coach than about the Jimmies and the Joes, and we don't have them yet.
To play devils advocate for a minute...what if he keeps recruiting under the radar kids and by year four we are totally devoid of FBS level talent? Besides Melton, Clark and maybe Lacewell, I'm not seeing any impact recruits so far...he is already proving to me that he can't find assistant coaches that can scheme and coach up lesser talent...
I don't think we'll know until year four whether he has recruited enough Jimmies and Joes. After all, it is at least possible that under the radar kids can be good under the right kind of coach and the right kinds of scheme. And I think we should be impressed that even a team with as poor a record as ours can attract some impact recruits, and maybe some of the freshmen will develop. I haven't given up on Lewis despite his poor performance Saturday; Lewis would fit into a spread offense quite well, and that seems to be the long-term goal.
It's hard for me to judge the coaching, because it's hard to know whether it's the players or the coaches. I thought Kill would be better than he has shown so far, and I think that the special teams coach is not doing his job. Still, I think we have to give Ash time. One reason is that no one good is going to be willing to come coach at a school which is so impatient that it would fire a coach in his second or third year.
Sure. Are the people that are dropping tickets because they would rather not spend their Saturdays watching losses of 50+-0 doing it wrong?
For starters Rutgers should beat Eastern Michigan at home.It also should be favored to win at least one B1G game this season but right now not likely to happen.Low expectations is just another lame excuse for kicking the can down the road until 2021.Its not about OSU but rather giving fans some reasons to believe that the current coaching staff really has a plan for getting out of the abyss.
if you're trying to remain in the bottom tier of the B1G, then changing your coach every 2-3 years is the correct path. However, if your trying to build a program you have to give the guy some time.
From reading this board Ash is doing everything right but winning games. Even if he's not the best game day coach that can be learned through experience.
From reading this board Ash is doing everything right but winning games. Even if he's not the best game day coach that can be learned through experience.
Just listened to a replay of Mark Packer on ESPNU radio ripping Rutgers football for its effort Saturday night after last years showings in B10 last years blowout games vrs PSU,OSU and Michigan last season. He said Rutgers stinks again and RU wants to rep NYC market with that team currently on the field? Finished by saying his two dogs could have put up a better effort.
This national perception is why I think,regardless if RU claims they dont have the money, Ash isnt 500 next year hes gone at seasons end..
This national perception is why I think,regardless if RU claims they dont have the money, Ash isnt 500 next year hes gone at seasons end..
This. How does the "give it time" crowd explain away losing to EMU @home ? Shouldn't we at least be able to score on Ohio State in garbage time when they have their 3rd string playing.
No, we're not supposed to be like Ohio State. Nobody complained after we lost to Washington. If we would've played exactly like Indiana and lost 49-21, I dont think a lot of people would complain. We expect to beat EMU at home, we expect to score a fricking point against Ohio State. We expect to look like we belong in the same hemisphere as a team.
Then Bolin doesn't need to be out there. I could've told you after EMU. He's horrible. He's a crappy version of Ryan Hart with a ton more interceptions. Everyone kept defending Bolin. He's horrible, I've been saying that for weeks.
Gio is better than both of them. And I'd rather see Lewis throw interceptions than Bolin throw interceptions.
"he's not the best game day coach" is what was said about Schiano all 11 years of his tenure.
Now many think if he returned to RU, instead of Ash being hired, he would have made RU a far better team than it looks now.
I don't agree and feel a lot of the problem is the change of offensive strategy from the pro-set, even if Kill is trying to adjust his type offense to better utilize the skills of the players on this year's roster.
Last year boy wonder didn't and it shows in this year's team .
It will be by the end of next season before we can really judge if Ash has HC ability or is just an over-matched assistant at HC position.
No one is asking for that.
Can we at least be Purdue or Maryland?
Ever think you would have to say that? But here we are, losing to EMU and going scoreless against a team that Army and UNLV scored on more than once nevermind Indiana!
Can we at least be Purdue or Maryland?
Ever think you would have to say that? But here we are, losing to EMU and going scoreless against a team that Army and UNLV scored on more than once nevermind Indiana!
Anyone who rationalizes the EMU loss by giving us the silly "they played Kentucky really well, and Kentucky almost beat Florida" crap is forgetting two really key points:
1. Kentucky found a way to win. You are allowed to get scared by inferior teams, but you can still find a way to win. We found a way not only to lose but look really foolish at times in doing so.
2. Thinking the SEC is as great as its fans think it is. Florida? BFD. South Carolina? Really? Nothing special.
The biggest selling point you have in defending Ash is that many of the best players are really young and he seems to be able to recruit, so give him time. And you know what? You're right. But that does not make him immune from criticism concerning what happens on game day. We can see incompetence and stupidity and comment on it. But most of us aren't giving up on him just yet.
When Schiano was hired, I said to give him five years. And it took five years to get over .500. While the job might have been bigger in some ways then, at least he didn't have the added burden of bad off-the-field PR to clean up.
But let's be clear: Ripping the losses to EMU and Nebraska does not mean someone has quit on Ash. It just means he needs to improve along with the team. And yes, we've been there before.
1. Kentucky found a way to win. You are allowed to get scared by inferior teams, but you can still find a way to win. We found a way not only to lose but look really foolish at times in doing so.
2. Thinking the SEC is as great as its fans think it is. Florida? BFD. South Carolina? Really? Nothing special.
The biggest selling point you have in defending Ash is that many of the best players are really young and he seems to be able to recruit, so give him time. And you know what? You're right. But that does not make him immune from criticism concerning what happens on game day. We can see incompetence and stupidity and comment on it. But most of us aren't giving up on him just yet.
When Schiano was hired, I said to give him five years. And it took five years to get over .500. While the job might have been bigger in some ways then, at least he didn't have the added burden of bad off-the-field PR to clean up.
But let's be clear: Ripping the losses to EMU and Nebraska does not mean someone has quit on Ash. It just means he needs to improve along with the team. And yes, we've been there before.
EMU was unacceptable, Nebraska was one the road and they were probably better than us. The problem with Nebraska and Iowa last year is Ash never wins games even when opposing teams play like dog **** and basically hand the game to you. We still screw it up. Every. Single. Time.
2015: RU was #78 in Scoring Offense with 27 points per game. I'd take that this year. Problem was RU was #104 in Scoring Defense that same year.
The problem is that this board wasn't so down and depressed after the EMU loss but after the OSU loss? All hell breaks loose. It seems over the top to me. What did people expect to happen? Maybe the OSU game was the 1st game they saw this year? Maybe they took RutgersAL upset thread seriously? Who knows?
The EMU game was bad but it is not like we were blown out, it was just a half-arse performance. We should have won that game, we still had a chance to win down to the wire but too many turnovers killed us. Just a flat performance all around.
But OSU was just too much for us to handle again, I am not upset that we lose that game since we had zero chance to win. Last year Rutgers didn't pass the 50 yard line until the 3rd quarter and we never got to the red zone. We got pass the 50 year line in the 1st and got to the red zone a few times, but again turnovers killed us. even if we would have score every time we made it into the red zone we still would had lost anyway. Too many injuries in the defense made it too easy for them.
But, lost in all the gashing of the teeth and woe is me, we are doomed posts and threads is that we actually HAVE IMPROVED from last year, it is just that we still have a very LONG way to go.
But we all knew that going in right? RIGHT?
Maybe not..
The EMU game was bad but it is not like we were blown out, it was just a half-arse performance. We should have won that game, we still had a chance to win down to the wire but too many turnovers killed us. Just a flat performance all around.
But OSU was just too much for us to handle again, I am not upset that we lose that game since we had zero chance to win. Last year Rutgers didn't pass the 50 yard line until the 3rd quarter and we never got to the red zone. We got pass the 50 year line in the 1st and got to the red zone a few times, but again turnovers killed us. even if we would have score every time we made it into the red zone we still would had lost anyway. Too many injuries in the defense made it too easy for them.
But, lost in all the gashing of the teeth and woe is me, we are doomed posts and threads is that we actually HAVE IMPROVED from last year, it is just that we still have a very LONG way to go.
But we all knew that going in right? RIGHT?
Maybe not..
Truth in this post. You want to throw gasoline on the fire, keep cycling coaches and make sure no one wants the job because they know they're only gonna get 2 years to fix it.
UNLV was down 37-0 with 8+ minutes to go in the second quarter when Ohio State started pulling starters. Even if the score looks worse, you showed better than they did.
I wasn't hanging around after the EMU game, but there's a lot of truth here too. Rutgers was better this year, even if the scoreboard didn't really reflect it. Progress has been made, it's just slow progress and it's a mountain you're trying to climb.
IMO there are a number of things he isn't doing right that a HC should do and that is directly resulting in not winning games...it's not like we are losing to team we are supposed to lose to OR losing close games...how about hiring some assistant coaches that have actually had some success at the FBS level (like hiring Kill, who I do think our fan base overrates)
Isn't it contradictory to want more FBS coaches, then dis the coach who has experience at the FBS level?
Jerry Kill is a good coach. However, he is grossly overrated by our fan base. As an OC, he never had some incredible high flying offense. He hasn't even been an OC in like 20 years.
I grew up in Jersey, have family that went to RU, so I'd like to see you guys competitive on some level.
The constantly changing coaches paradigm is bad on 2 levels, one we've discussed. But the next issue is when you do catch lightning in a bottle and hire a Jeff Brohm that turns the program around in one month, they become the next guy to take the Tennessee job. So he goes to a top P5 job then you have to go out and catch lightning a second time to have sustained success to have hopes of becoming a top P5 job. Really that was the issue after Greg left is the next hire didn't sustain the success. Now everything has to be rebuilt.
If you stick with Ash and he builds it the right way then maybe he sticks around if he's compensated properly. If not at least the next guy has something to work with. And has a better chance to sustain the success.
None of that makes sense. Whether a coach has big success in year 2, year 3 or year 6 there is going to be a chance they will leave. Essentially what you are saying is its better to not be good for a few years and then have moderate success so that maybe your coach isn't a hot name. How is that better than having such a level of success that your coach gets taken by an SEC school in year 2/3? Why would the coach that takes until year 6 to have achieve something noteworthy be more likely to stay than the coach who does it in year 2/3?
The reality is you have a complete rebuild on your hands. You have zero depth. This takes time to cultivate. But as a program there is a chance for sustained success if it's built. A new coach brings a new offense or defense and needs "their" players to fit the scheme. A Jeff Brohm is getting guys to play out of their mind compared to how they have been playing. If he leaves next year the program is no better off. There's no sustained success in recruiting. There's no change in perception of the program. They just slip back into obscurity unless the next guy is also some who get the kids to play out of their mind. Obviously these people are few and far between so it not that easy to just say hire two great coaches in a row.
I would give every single one of the offense coaches an F this season. They are all worthy of being fired based on the performance. Kill is no upgrade over Drew. Get a young OC with some energy and creativity.
I don't think it's contradictory at all...we were able to get Kill because he was an assistant AD at Kansas State...and wanted back in to coaching...I wouldn't say he was a slam dunk hire...im just disapponted that Ash didn't have some better options willing to role with him when he took the job...and now we see have that initial staff has already departed
He had 1 year of coaching experience. He was in no way qualified. I’m talking about a young OC from a MAC/WAC level with some proven experience who can score points.