EXPECTATIONS....

ruthetiger

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Some of you guys are just living in LALA land, or the expectations are just plain old unrealistic. Y'all need to get a clue. We're not Michigan! We're not Ohio State! Hell, we're not Wisconsin, or Penn State. R program just got here, and it's not even dealing with a full slate, let alone some in the fan base that's not dealing with fully capable mental faculties.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME!
 

Perricone7

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At what point can we stop shrugging our shoulders and expect this program to be competent? Ash deserves a good amount of leeway after Flood's destruction of the program, but how many times can RU be shutout before I can raise my expectations? How many seasons is Ash allowed to run a constipated offense?
 

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Some of you guys are just living in LALA land, or the expectations are just plain old unrealistic. Y'all need to get a clue. We're not Michigan! We're not Ohio State! Hell, we're not Wisconsin, or Penn State. R program just got here, and it's not even dealing with a full slate, let alone some in the fan base that's not dealing with fully capable mental faculties.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME!
We def have some Lala land posters BUT...Indiana had about as bad of a football program as one can have for decades and put no money into their program and is now going toe to toe with Ohio state for three quarters...why are they showing to be so much better than us at this point? They don't recruit all that well...they have coaches that can put their existing talent into decent situations...im not sure our coaches have that ability
 
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Scarlet_Scourge

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At what point can we stop shrugging our shoulders and expect this program to be competent? Ash deserves a good amount of leeway after Flood's destruction of the program, but how many times can RU be shutout before I can raise my expectations? How many seasons is Ash allowed to run a constipated offense?

He switched OC... different OC.., different plays and schemes: same players, equals same results. He can get another OC again, it won't make a damn bit of difference without better players.

Our most talented players are mostly freshman, they are not ready yet, but they are here thanks to Ash.

This ain't rocket science.

I am not blaming the players, they are doing the best they can, they are just not at the Big Ten level. That is mostly due to Flood fighting over FCS schools for players for years as whatever GS built was burned to the ground.

I know some people will just say" stop blaming flood, derp!"

But, sorry this is where we are at right now and that is why.

If we don't see improvement in the next few years then Flood will no longer be to blame, period.

I don't know what else to say.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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Enough.

Eastern Michigan is 2-2 with losses to Kentucky and Ohio. We were clearly outplayed and out-coached by a team that is comprised of 2 star recruits from a directional school and had lost 58 straight against P5 competition.

In yr 2, winning that game at home is a expectation.

That was a bad loss period, no one is making excuses for that. We should had won that game and had lots of chances to do so if it wasn't for the turnovers.
 

LETSGORU91_

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He switched OC... different OC.., different plays and schemes: same players, equals same results. He can get another OC again, it won't make a damn bit of difference without better players.

Our most talented players are mostly freshman, they are not ready yet, but they are here thanks to Ash.

This ain't rocket science.

I am not blaming the players, they are doing the best they can, they are just not at the Big Ten level. That is mostly due to Flood fighting over FCS schools for players for years as whatever GS built was burned to the ground.

I know some people will just say" stop blaming flood, derp!"

But, sorry this is where we are at right now and that is why.

If we don't see improvement in the next few years then Flood will no longer be to blame, period.

I don't know what else to say.

Hang in there brother. We can say it a million times and it won't make much of a difference. If we are having this same conversation two years from now, then we have problems.
 

macdad90

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We competed/beat with Wash St and and Va Tech within the last 5 years and look where they are today; we've beat Indiana and Maryland since we joined the BIG with Flood as the coach and you can clearly say they are moving in the right direction... none of the programs mentioned are recruiting juggernauts. I am not saying we need to beat OSU, Mich, etc, but being marginally competitive with them is not too much to ask; to have an expectation to win 50%+ of the other BIG games (outside of those currently in the top 10) is not too much to ask - these low expectations would result in a 4 or 5 win season - are these too high of expectations? Even given the mess Flood left behind? (which I buy as a reason for the hot mess this team is when we see no progress what so ever year on year, week to week from THIS team) Let me know - perhaps I need to lower my expectations again.
 

Knight Shift

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Enough.

Eastern Michigan is 2-2 with losses to Kentucky and Ohio. We were clearly outplayed and out-coached by a team that is comprised of 2 star recruits from a directional school and had lost 58 straight against P5 competition.

In yr 2, winning that game at home is a expectation.
Umm Kentucky is 4-1, and nearly beat Florida (lost 28-27) and beat South Carolina. EMU led Kentucky, and Kentucky won 24-20. EMU outgained UK, and had more first downs. Problem for them was 3 turnovers. Close game like ours.
 
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Perricone7

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He switched OC... different OC.., different plays and schemes: same players, equals same results. He can get another OC again, it won't make a damn bit of difference without better players.

Our most talented players are mostly freshman, they are not ready yet, but they are here thanks to Ash.

This ain't rocket science.

I am not blaming the players, they are doing the best they can, they are just not at the Big Ten level. That is mostly due to Flood fighting over FCS schools for players for years as whatever GS built was burned to the ground.

I know some people will just say" stop blaming flood, derp!"

But, sorry this is where we are at right now and that is why.

If we don't see improvement in the next few years then Flood will no longer be to blame, period.

I don't know what else to say.

I'm just not seeing it. I see it with Pikiell. Even though it has not necessarily translated into wins, you see improvement and a level of competence. They hang in there with most teams with more talent. Ash has given me two signs of hope, the first half of the Washington game and the Minnesota game last season. Besides that, it has been simply dreadful.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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I'm just not seeing it. I see it with Pikiell. Even though it has not necessarily translated into wins, you see improvement and a level of competence. They hang in there with most teams with more talent. Ash has given me two signs of hope, the first half of the Washington game and the Minnesota game last season. Besides that, it has been simply dreadful.

Defense is a lot better this year or was until 3 starters went down, with little depth, it went downhill quickly. Offense is still bad, but he did changed OCs, He is trying to fix it, but it is what it is with the current personal.
 
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ScarletEd

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Some of you guys are just living in LALA land, or the expectations are just plain old unrealistic. Y'all need to get a clue. We're not Michigan! We're not Ohio State! Hell, we're not Wisconsin, or Penn State. R program just got here, and it's not even dealing with a full slate, let alone some in the fan base that's not dealing with fully capable mental faculties.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME!

Remember.... Rutgers beat Michigan in 2014.
 
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay

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Some of you guys are just living in LALA land, or the expectations are just plain old unrealistic. Y'all need to get a clue. We're not Michigan! We're not Ohio State! Hell, we're not Wisconsin, or Penn State. R program just got here, and it's not even dealing with a full slate, let alone some in the fan base that's not dealing with fully capable mental faculties.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME!

This only really applies to you-know-who...
 

ArminRU

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Enough.

Eastern Michigan is 2-2 with losses to Kentucky and Ohio. We were clearly outplayed and out-coached by a team that is comprised of 2 star recruits from a directional school and had lost 58 straight against P5 competition.

In yr 2, winning that game at home is a expectation.

Can't win if you don't have a QB or OLine. Plain and simple. Don't matter what rest of the talent looks like.
 

koleszar

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We def have some Lala land posters BUT...Indiana had about as bad of a football program as one can have for decades and put no money into their program and is now going toe to toe with Ohio state for three quarters...why are they showing to be so much better than us at this point? They don't recruit all that well...they have coaches that can put their existing talent into decent situations...im not sure our coaches have that ability
Because they finally starting investing in football. They paid Kevin Wilson very good, just redid the stadium and now gave their new coach a big payroll for assistants. That's why they've improved, they leverage future revenue's from the B1G's increased payouts to improve their football program. We can't do that until 2021.
 

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Umm Kentucky is 4-1, and nearly beat Florida (lost 28-27) and beat South Carolina. EMU led Kentucky, and Kentucky won 24-20. EMU outgained UK, and had more first downs. Problem for them was 3 turnovers. Close game like ours.


stop rationalizing the loss...it was a bad bad bad loss, Ash couldnt afford to lose that game given what he is up against in recruiting.....look closer at the game...EMU played better..they deserved it, RU had two opportunities with their starting QB to win the game and failed against a MAC team. The play calling was also horrific. Lots of bad to take from that game
 

Knight Shift

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stop rationalizing the loss...it was a bad bad bad loss, Ash couldnt afford to lose that game given what he is up against in recruiting.....look closer at the game...EMU played better..they deserved it, RU had two opportunities with their starting QB to win the game and failed against a MAC team. The play calling was also horrific. Lots of bad to take from that game
I'm not rationalizing anything. EMU is a better team with better coaching. They have an experienced QB and well coached players. We don't have that right now.
 

madchuck

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I'm not rationalizing anything. EMU is a better team with better coaching. They have an experienced QB and well coached players. We don't have that right now.

Before the season you were saying that we were going to win 6 games and Purdue, EMU and Illinois were automatic wins . Now you're saying that EMU is some great team? What? It was a bad loss. They aren't that talented. Their QB is a journeyman. I guess we're just awful but EMU isn't some dominant team.
 
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Pils86

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Can the OP identify the posters claiming we are equal to Mich, OSU, WIsc or PSU? The expectation is to get the most out of the talent we have. When EMU has less than 10 three star players and RU has 50+ the expectation is we win. When teams with MAC level talent can score on OSU the expectation is RU can too. The expectation is the team is prepared and in position and an offense will be unpredictable and hard to defend.

Here is a simple thing a coach can do to help the team. Teach the kick returners that when the kickoff will go into the endzone, let it go. It seems our average field position for kickoffs is in the teens. With the rule change a few years ago the 25 yard line is not bad, especially against the big boys. Yet we consistently start drives after kickoffs from less than the 25 yard line and nothing changes.
 

RU31trap

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Remember I said it first. A loss to Illinois away and a loss to Purdue at home. Either Ash or Hobbs steps down. Someone is going on the unemployment line.
 

RUbacker

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At what point can we stop shrugging our shoulders and expect this program to be competent? Ash deserves a good amount of leeway after Flood's destruction of the program, but how many times can RU be shutout before I can raise my expectations? How many seasons is Ash allowed to run a constipated offense?
Well genius it's a 5 to 7 year major rebuild so it's in the early stages of year two so stop shitting your pants. We are where we are supposed to be as painful as it is.
 

madchuck

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We have been in every game other than osu, stop!

EMU shouldn't have been a loss. Nebraska all but handed us that game and he still couldn't win. Ash can't beat anyone. Even teams who play like crap against us.
 

Perricone7

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Well genius it's a 5 to 7 year major rebuild so it's in the early stages of year two so stop shitting your pants. We are where we are supposed to be as painful as it is.

No P5 program is ever supposed to be in this position. Ash has beaten maybe 1 opponent with a pulse in 16 games. People act like Ash has to climb Mount Everest. 5 to 7 years? Purdue went from laughingstock to competent in 3 games. Maryland went to a bowl game last season and just won a B10 road game with their 3rd string QB.
 

RRRRUUUU

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Some of you guys are just living in LALA land, or the expectations are just plain old unrealistic. Y'all need to get a clue. We're not Michigan! We're not Ohio State! Hell, we're not Wisconsin, or Penn State. R program just got here, and it's not even dealing with a full slate, let alone some in the fan base that's not dealing with fully capable mental faculties.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME!

Are we Eastern Michigan yet, though?
 

G-Bake

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I know someone out there has the stats on the amount of guys remaining from Flood's recruiting classes. Rutgers lost SO many recruited players from the Flood regime. Who do you think fills those spots? Nobody capable of playing in the B1G, that's for sure. Injuries have piled up and there's no one to step up and take their places. I'm not happy with the blowouts or the loss to EMU either, and Ash still leaves something to be desired when it comes to coaching but It's less than 1.5 season's into his tenure here. Posters on this board are being ridiculous.

And whoever thinks Ash/Hobbs will step down if we lose the next two games, that's just comical.
 

RU31trap

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I know someone out there has the stats on the amount of guys remaining from Flood's recruiting classes. Rutgers lost SO many recruited players from the Flood regime. Who do you think fills those spots? Nobody capable of playing in the B1G, that's for sure. Injuries have piled up and there's no one to step up and take their places. I'm not happy with the blowouts or the loss to EMU either, and Ash still leaves something to be desired when it comes to coaching but It's less than 1.5 season's into his tenure here. Posters on this board are being ridiculous.

And whoever thinks Ash/Hobbs will step down if we lose the next two games, that's just comical.
Lose to Illinois, a program starting 14 freshmen and in complete disarray. Then get beat badly at home by Purdue in an empty stadium. Both Hobbs and Ash will be fighting a war on three fronts. 1) Merciless attacks by the media & B10 channel 2) A shrinking fan base 3) loss of revenue. I will not include a growing contingency of parents questioning student fees which equate to 26.29% of tuition cost (aka subsidy). I hope we beat both teams so we can start climbing out of this mess.
 

G-Bake

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Lose to Illinois, a program starting 14 freshmen and in complete disarray. Then get beat badly at home by Purdue in an empty stadium. Both Hobbs and Ash will be fighting a war on three fronts. 1) Merciless attacks by the media & B10 channel 2) A shrinking fan base 3) loss of revenue. I will not include a growing contingency of parents questioning student fees which equate to 26.29% of tuition cost (aka subsidy).
And the football program would turn into even more of a dumpster fire than it already was. What coach would go to Rutgers after Ash got 1.5 seasons? Especially considering Ash's buyout. Rutgers isn't exactly swimming in funds to hire someone "better".
 

RU31trap

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And the football program would turn into even more of a dumpster fire than it already was. What coach would go to Rutgers after Ash got 1.5 seasons? Especially considering Ash's buyout. Rutgers isn't exactly swimming in funds to hire someone "better".
And why did this happen in the first place? Why did the institution put out one fire (Flood) just to create another one (Ash). One needs to understand the dynamics of what got us here in the first place in order to break the cycle of losing. I believe that Ash gets 3 years because next year I project 3 wins at the very most, and that is with a watered down schedule.
 

G-Bake

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And why did this happen in the first place? Why did the institution put out one fire (Flood) just to create another one (Ash). One needs to understand the dynamics of what got us here in the first place in order to break the cycle of losing. I believe that Ash gets 3 years because next year I project 3 wins at the very most, and that is with a watered down schedule.
I think they hired a good athletic director in Hobbs. Ash has made positive changes in virtually everything except the product on the field (which I acknowledge is the most important thing). The 3rd year will be very telling about his future as the head coach. Unless the team somehow gets worse next year, I think he gets 4 years. Getting rid of him early is a bad look for the program when he's doing everything else right. Unless donors want to put up big money for a proven HC, I think Ash will get to ride his full contract out.
 
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Perricone7

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I know someone out there has the stats on the amount of guys remaining from Flood's recruiting classes. Rutgers lost SO many recruited players from the Flood regime. Who do you think fills those spots? Nobody capable of playing in the B1G, that's for sure. Injuries have piled up and there's no one to step up and take their places. I'm not happy with the blowouts or the loss to EMU either, and Ash still leaves something to be desired when it comes to coaching but It's less than 1.5 season's into his tenure here. Posters on this board are being ridiculous.

And whoever thinks Ash/Hobbs will step down if we lose the next two games, that's just comical.

Barring a 1 win season, I'm fine with Ash coming back for a third year. I am just baffled by posters acting like winning games is some hunt for golden treasure. Bowl games will take time, depth will take time. It does not take 5 years to build an offense that can score more than 10 points.
 
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G-Bake

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Barring a 1 win season, I'm fine with Ash coming back for a third year. I am just baffled by posters acting like winning games is some hunt for golden treasure. Bowl games will take time, depth will take time. It does not take 5 years to build an offense that can score more than 10 points.
I will agree with the offense being anemeic. It really has just been the perfect storm of a bad O-line, bad QB, and bad receivers with questionable playcalling these past couple years. The offense isn't fun to watch at all.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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The offense has been stinking it up for years, long before Ash was hired.

Other than Nova's Sr year it pretty much been brutal to watch.