Can’t believe, at this point, Cal really cares. That’s an outlier statement, and I realize that. It’s my belief and my honest opinion. There’s no other logical explanation for the way he recruits and coaches. He hasn’t forgotten what got him here, no way. He purposely does things the way he does. Won’t change as long as he is here, he has made his bed. He will live and die one and done. Without me, but I’m sure he doesn’t care, nor do I.
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Brandon Boston, Whitney, Orton and EJ say hello. those are just the obvious ones. None of them cared whether we won or lost.
lets simplify this, can you name one single player that wasn't tremendously better as a senior than they were as a freshman or a sophomore? I mean, it's common sense that any player playing at this level will get better the longer they stay. So, if a freshman based team is playing a senior based team in a series of 10, how often will that freshman based team win?
I think Cal wants to win, I just don't think it’s his biggest priority, but he's competing in a sport against other really good coaches that put winning above everything else.
Exactly. Never said he doesn’t want to win. But he is the only coach I’ve ever seen that winning isn’t top priority. From little league up. Coaches teach how to win. He teaches how to get to the next level, win or lose. UK is a *****.
He takes criticism too poorly not to care. I do think he's the type that would fail just to attempt to prove someone wrong.
I think he's just too loyal to people who don't get the job done.
Alex Poythress.
Probably Keion Brooks, soon.
It's not like Cal has a lot of these to go on. They're probably all over the place if you look around college basketball.
He takes criticism poorly because he has an ego bigger than Texas. Most great coaches do. Not all great coaches deserve their full criticisms. Cal could have been a great/ elite, coach of a century type, at UK. Instead, he chose to bear fruit to the jam factory. Why? Who knows. Me and Barney are both baffled, but Barney is maybe more concerned than me. Don’t know.
Who gives
Don't give a damn about the cnba! I'd like to see them send the whole damn organization to China anyway because they have proven that the league , both players snd management, care more about supporting the slave labor of the ccp than they do AMERICA anyway.
If you're an NBA lock and you know you're goung to get drafted and earn life changing money, how invested in college basketball are you going to be? At that point, you know you just need to not get seriously injured.
Nerlens Noel lost a lot of money the second he ran into that stantion.
Looky, one of the guys I'm talking about..tell me sir, who would you hire today if Cal left...don't say, Billy
be careful about finding them. have you seen any greys yet? its a double edged sword......... knowing the truth is exciting but in the middle of the night having a grey come into your sight is pretty terrifying even if they dont mean any harm
They’re harmless. Serve em some dumplings and send them on their way. Jeez.
I'd hire a coach that cared more about winning games than feeding the NBA draft or helping guys that are already guaranteed to go to the NBA and make millions.
Calipari wasn't some God before he came to UK, he went to two final fours and had both of them vacated. Kentucky made Cal what he is today, not the other way around.
There are a lot of coaches out there that would use the advantages UK provides, to win basketball games and let the draft picks follow Cal wherever he goes.
If I had the choice, I'd take Cal minus the need to feed the NBA draft.
If not, give me Nate Oats. I'm sure you'll scoff at that, but you're going to scoff at anyone I propose. Heck, I bet you would have scoffed at the idea of hiring Cal in 2009 too, but now all the sudden, Cal is somehow irreplaceable and UK would fall on its face if he left.
I was only joking. I get up very early and I also do sky watching while I'm out. I just happened to catch the glimpse of something pretty cool recently.
So Nate Oats?..what has he won ? I think id like to wait a few years and see how he does at Bama
PS..If you want to go back to this board in 09 you'll see I was begging for Cal to get the job..
Exactly. In fact I think there's more players that tend to produce similarly in all years they are in college.
Not everyone gets better. Some do. Some also have worse numbers in their senior years than 1st years. And a great majority don't get vastly better or worse but rather stay remarkably similar.
Why do we have to hire a coach that has FF experience? Coach K has 5 titles, duke hired him when he was young and wet behind the ears, seems like he was the right choice to me.
So you're good with hiring a guy that had teo seasons vacated, just because he made it to those FF's?
I'd rather hire a guy that works extremely hard, is young and plays a modern style.
Heck, Nate Oats almost took Alabama to the FF just last year and he just destroyed Gonzaga right in their own back yard. The guy is an obvious bigtime coach, he just needs the platform.
He would have Rupp arena rocking like Pitino used to.
He has put us in position to do it, two title games and two times we should have went but had a bad game. It happens, another game or two where we got screwed too.
Well, lets go over the 2 guys Jeff posted. Alex Poythress and Brooks. First of all, Brooks is far better right now than he was in either of his first two years, I don't even see how that's debatable. He averaged 4.5ppg and 3.2rpg his freshman year and 10ppg and 6.8rpg in a shortened disaster of a season last year. He's averaging 12ppg and 4.6rpg, but I think we know why he isn’t getting as many rebounds this year. So Keion doesn’t fit the criteria here. He’s a better player now than he's ever been.
Alex Poythress blew out his knee in 2014. So yeah, of course he lost a step. You and Jeff failed to mention that fact.
Can you list anyone that actually fits the criteria?
Look at my avatar. The flying triangle was over my house in Western Kentucky.
You sound like a baby, seriously.
Y’all act like god quit making basketball coaches when Cal, Roy, K and the like were born. Don’t think so. There’s another Rupp, pitino,, Cal type out there . Question is, do we get him?
"This could take more than a decade, but so what? Let’s chase it," Calipari wrote. "Can we do it? Sure, but it’s going to be really tough. The tournament isn’t a best-of-seven series and the best team doesn’t always win the title. The trick is to always be one of those teams at the end of the season that’s right there. That’s the first step."
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When I read these threads one thing is apparent. Cal has divide BBN more than any coach in our history. Even tubby IMO.
I looked honestly. I see pregnant cow ultrasound. Not shooting you down lol. My eyes are shot. Redo- I’ll focus harder this time, no glasses
What is he doing to work toward it? He hasn’t taken the Cats to a FF since 2015.
No, because that post literally sounds like something a 5 year old would say when he didn't get his way or something a 16 year old girl would say when she expected Timmy to take her to prom.
I truly believe Cal would have done so much better had he not fallen out with NIke...
I don't know, I'm not on the staff.
We've been to 17 FF in the freaking history of our program and Cal has 4 of them. Yeah, we didn't make it in '16, '17, 18,'19,'21. That is 5 years. Chill. He made some adjustments. Do you want to see if they work or want him gone now? Or do you want to just ***** about the future that none of us can predict?
Agreed he made adjustments. We’ll see what he does this year and next.
'23-'24 too. I think this is all leading up to that and honestly could be his end here. That is when option starts for the advisory role. DJ and Reed, etc. He'll be 65...I think that's it tbh.
That’s a UFO. I saw one many years ago. Did you video it by chance?
Yes.
My video was not good.
I'm pretty sure it's a government plane though. I saw it with my own eyes.
I will say it was very odd looking and it looked more like a v and was black and large. Not sure if you're familiar but it looks similar to the Phoenix lights. Anything is possible.
Keion is playing more mins this year than his first two years so it would stand to reason his ppg and rpg would go up.
Compared to year 1, he's shooting slightly worse (48.6% eff FG% this season vs 49.2% last season), not grabbing as many rebounds as before 6.8% this season offensive boards compared to 8.5, 13.8% defensive boards this season compared to 15.4% and he's turning it over at a slightly higher rate (19.4% to 18.3%).
In fact, Keion is basically the textbook definition of what I'm meaning in that sometimes you just are what you are.
Toppin in year 3 has he gotten better?
Heck Allen in year 2 has been worse
Mintz has taken a step forward this year but it's took him till year 5 (albeit he's carrying less of the load than he did in the past). His 4th season was very compared to his very first one but he did improve somewhat.
Sometimes the light goes on and kids get it. Other times tho it's much of the same for four straight years.
I showed stats that show Brooks has improved, you pulled odd shooting stats to try to prove he's not better, even though we're not even halfway through this season. Besides that, Brooks is now on his 3rd completely different team. I can only imagine that can’t be easy for an average player to figure out.
Allen is still a sophomore. Not only that, but he gets spot minutes and even when he's hitting shots, he gets yanked. But again, we're not even halfway through his sophomore year.
Lets talk about Liggins, Richards, or WCS, or Darius Miller, or Willis, or Hawkins… heck, are their any others? There's only been a few, but those 5 showed great improvement and three of them left with one more year of eligibility remaining.
We can also look at the rosters of the programs that are winning titles and getting to final fours. All of them have juniors and seniors that got better every year. We can disect them if you want.