Expectations for 2020
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I really don’t believe you can say that Syracuse and temple should be wins. Temple has been worlds better than us in recent years and Syracuse won 5 games last year. Ideally yes we should beat those types of teams however we have fallen so far that almost no game is guaranteed. It won’t be until we get a massive influx of talent that arrives that we will be in any position to say any game “should be” a win.
I’ll take an ounce of whatever it is you’re smoking! Lol
Yeah, I agree with you. Beating Syracuse Illinois & Purdue would all be minor upsets. And while I don't know much about how Temple looks going forward, I'd say that is a tossup.
Nothing yet has changed the fact that the OL looks like it will be a bottom of the AAC kind of group again. Unless RU can hire a proven P5 OL coach and sign at least 2 grad transfers who can start on the OL, I don't don't know how anyone can expect more than 3 wins. And 3 wins assumes that RU finds a QB who can at least play at a mid-AAC level and stay healthy through Monmouth, Syracuse and Temple. And with the current roster of OL, that's a extremely risky bet unless you're satisfied with 50-100 yards of passing a game with Langan.
Look, the talent deficit has only gotten deeper today as the rest of the B1G continues to pull away from RU. Now, Schiano has minimized the deficit even with a skeleton staff. But #14 again in the B1G isn't a misprint. It will be a huge disappointment if the class of '21 isn't at least 8th or 9th.
Look, the talent deficit has only gotten deeper today as the rest of the B1G continues to pull away from RU. Now, Schiano has minimized the deficit even with a skeleton staff. But #14 again in the B1G isn't a misprint. It will be a huge disappointment if the class of '21 isn't at least 8th or 9th.
You’re barking up the wrong tree with me on that one. I’m one of the very few people on this board that will publicly declare that bringing back Greg was a bad decision, and no before you ask, it’s not about the money, I could care less how much we pay our coach
This board is limitless in it's absurdity.
2019: Nobody can win with these players. Ash’s recruiting has been terrible. Not the OC/assistants fault.
2020: Now that we have a different set of defensive coaches (note - OC still hasn't been hired) we are going bowling!!
Ummmm dont we have mostly the same players as last years #129 ranked offense?
Are all these True Freshman going to be the difference makers?
2019: Nobody can win with these players. Ash’s recruiting has been terrible. Not the OC/assistants fault.
2020: Now that we have a different set of defensive coaches (note - OC still hasn't been hired) we are going bowling!!
Ummmm dont we have mostly the same players as last years #129 ranked offense?
Are all these True Freshman going to be the difference makers?
Here is the thing...for those that expect huge gains year 1 under Greg and for those that don't expect anything for a few years because we re so broken.
We are a little bit of both. But, 4 wins is not really asking for much and for a B1G East Schedule- it could not have broken much easier then it does for us in 2020.
there are 7-8 games that we could find a way to win if things break our way. That is in no way saying we should win or even likely to win. But they are there. If we can play each play from whistle to whistle and hard confident effort through each game- we have much more of a shot in 2020 then we have in any of the last few years.
The good news is that I do not think Greg will have us playing not to lose this year. We wont be punting from the opponent 40 or taking a knee with the ball and a minute to go before half. He most likely goes back to kick blocking and moving our defense around a lot with tons of different looks and going after the QB.
We may not have the talent for it to work yet but it will put us in a much better position to take advantage of mistakes and who knows what can happen.
I would be happy with 4 wins but not surprised with either 3 wins or 6 wins. If we are at 2 wins, I will be disappointed though.
We are a little bit of both. But, 4 wins is not really asking for much and for a B1G East Schedule- it could not have broken much easier then it does for us in 2020.
there are 7-8 games that we could find a way to win if things break our way. That is in no way saying we should win or even likely to win. But they are there. If we can play each play from whistle to whistle and hard confident effort through each game- we have much more of a shot in 2020 then we have in any of the last few years.
The good news is that I do not think Greg will have us playing not to lose this year. We wont be punting from the opponent 40 or taking a knee with the ball and a minute to go before half. He most likely goes back to kick blocking and moving our defense around a lot with tons of different looks and going after the QB.
We may not have the talent for it to work yet but it will put us in a much better position to take advantage of mistakes and who knows what can happen.
I would be happy with 4 wins but not surprised with either 3 wins or 6 wins. If we are at 2 wins, I will be disappointed though.
Winning is important for sure and maybe we get 4 or 5. So much depends on our next QB and a competent offense. I'd be happy to see more first downs, creating more TOs on defense, scoring a few more points and punting less. Small steps, but definitely progress as a program.
Rutgers will likely be underdogs in both games. The percentages will probably say that the most likely result is 1-1 against Syracuse and Temple. Getting to 4 wins would be pretty impressive as of now, but we still need to see who the coaches are, and especially who the transfers are that will be on the field.
To me, the Vegas over/under for Rutgers win total is probably 2.5 or 3.0 if it had to be set today.
Ash recruiting classes, 2016-19, was 64(12th), 42(9th), 56(13th), and 65(14th). It was bad for B1G standards, there is talent on this team at some position groups. This isn't 2001 where Schiano played a good portion of his freshman classes, because Shea's recruits were BAD.
The entire top 6 LBs will be Srs and Jrs next year, between Fogg, Maddox-Williams, O. Fatukasi, Singleton, Battle and Onyechi. They are the strongest position group besides RBs with youth behind them like Jennings(R-So.), Anderson(R-So.) and high 3 star Igwunagu(R-Fr.)
DBs (mostly 3 star guys 0.82-0.85) are still young that have shown signs of talent and experience next year-- Izien(R-So), Avery Young(Jr.), Tre Avery(R-Sr), Jarrett Paul(Jr.) and Barrow(Jr.) with redshirt talent we are unsure of like Kessawn Abraham{R-So), Donald Williams(R-Fr.), Darius Gooden(R-Fr.) and TJ Robinson(R-Fr.)
DL is a mess and needs a lot of help next year. Players with experience but undersized and inconsistent -- Lumor(Sr.), Turner(R-Sr.), Duggan(R-Jr.), Bordner(R-Jr), Mason(R-Jr.), and Tverdov(R-Jr.). On the scholarship roster-- J. Kromah, M. Clark, M. Thomas, D. Baldwin and R. Jutwreten. Panagos will earn his money piecing that line together along with what's coming in.
OL has 2 solid starters next year in Reggie Sutton(R-So) and RaeQwon O'Neil(R-So.), both 3 more years. The rest(all 3 star guys) are Owen Bowles(R-Jr.), Jamal Beaty(R-Jr.), Maetti(R-Sr.), Hanson(R-Fr.), Omari Cooper(either R-Jr. or Sr.), Lonsdorf(R-Sr.), Krimin(R-Sr.), Howson(R-Sr.), Rosso(R-So.), Vretman(R-Jr.) and Oskarsson(R-Fr.). Hopefully the OL coach can piece together something with this bunch and incoming guys.
We know RBs are fine. We know we need a QB. We know we need TEs. Kicking and punting are fine.
WRs-- Melton and Washington looked good at times this season. The rest-- Woods, Jabbie, Hayeks, Wormley, Jones, Lewis, Hunt(Inj.), Dremel, and King with Jordan and Daevon Robinson in portal. I can see why he brought in a couple WRs this class. Hope we get a good WR coaching develop something out of them.
That's the roster as a whole. Not as bad as 2001.
Strengths and Depth- LB RB K P
Has starters but work in progress -- DB, WR and OL
(Figure 2 Deep and better coaching)
DL, QB, and TE are biggest problems on team.
I wouldn’t have even minded the move away from block punts if we started to setup a return and no reason not to block FG/XO
I'm a fan. I expect to go 12-0. Every year. Will I be upset or unhappy if we only win 3 or 4? No, as long as two of those wins come against Temple and Sarah. For me, the success of the season hinges on winning those two games and showing marked improvement on the field in the rest.
One day, our best will be better than their best. That day is coming.
One day, our best will be better than their best. That day is coming.
You guys are already setting yourselves up for disappointment.
Next year is going to be a 1-3 win season. We’ll likely lose to cuse. Temple is a 50/50. monmouth the only expected win. The rest are expected losses in my book. And if we do go 1-11, we just have to keep chopping through the pain. If we hit 6 wins next year GS should be national coach of the year.
Big thing for me isn’t the overall record (except beating monmouth is a must) but rather NO SHUTOUTS and More turnovers forced on defense.
Next year is going to be a 1-3 win season. We’ll likely lose to cuse. Temple is a 50/50. monmouth the only expected win. The rest are expected losses in my book. And if we do go 1-11, we just have to keep chopping through the pain. If we hit 6 wins next year GS should be national coach of the year.
Big thing for me isn’t the overall record (except beating monmouth is a must) but rather NO SHUTOUTS and More turnovers forced on defense.
Seems a bit optimistic!
FYI, our buddies are hanging out:
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So Rutgers won 3 games in 2000 before Greg took over, we were a combined 9-24 overall in the 3 seasons prior to Greg taking over. Fast forward to today, we were 7-29 combined in our last 3 seasons.... so to answer your question just using simple ins and losses, yes we are every bit as bad right now as were were in 2001. Right now we are the bottom of the barrel in the P5. We are the team that every other program in the country see’s on their schedule and thinks “that’s a win”.
Lol blind faith, talk to me in 4 years when our fans are losing their minds bc their lord and savior Greg hasn’t turned the program around and he was the last hope and what can we do now that saint Greg has failed...
Clueless is putting all your eggs into the basket of a coach who has done nothing at all to improve his resume in the last 7 years. Once he left OSU their defense got better. Lol
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My take on this is that I was never a fan of Greg coming back for many of these reasons. I am not sure how much he has really improved as a HC. And I thought he had peaked his first time here at Rutgers. But then, C Ash happened and the last two years put us into a place where we were not going to attract a big time P5 HC. We also needed to right the ship.
And this is where Greg's strength is. He will find a way to get what he wants and that is for the football program to be on solid ground. He will get Rutgers on board with him and if you try to go against him, he will either find a way around you or push past.
I don't know if Greg can get this program into a championship game but I do feel he can get us to respectability very fast and back to bowl games. I would be very surprised if 3 years in, we are still struggling for 4-5 wins.
I also never saw him as a great recruiter. He was pretty good and had been getting better. But watching him now, I am seeing a man who may bring his level of recruiting to the next level. I always heard that U Meyer was a great recruiter. It wasn't just the OSU or Florida doing the selling. I see that Greg seems to have learned a lot from working for him. It is still a wait and see but I like what I see so far.
I think 3-4 wins is possible, but that depends on us getting some value out of the transfer portal; value being immediate contributors.
It has been argued that Schiano is not a great game day coach. But, I think it's fair to say that he is better than when he left, and light years ahead of Ash.
For the players that Ash left behind, I think there is some talent, but am not sure if Ash knew how to use them.
Regardless, I think with 3-4 wins, I'll be happy if we stay in the other games with the possibility of an upset here or there.
It has been argued that Schiano is not a great game day coach. But, I think it's fair to say that he is better than when he left, and light years ahead of Ash.
For the players that Ash left behind, I think there is some talent, but am not sure if Ash knew how to use them.
Regardless, I think with 3-4 wins, I'll be happy if we stay in the other games with the possibility of an upset here or there.
I am hoping for 3. I don't see it now. The OC and QB are all important here. We have some talent on this team, but we need a QB that can be at least average.
TE was a strength. It just was not utilized properly after the first 2 games. Allmo blocked well, and got open. Our QBs rarely looked his way. They usually only threw to their first read
The other glaring issue is lack of pass rush. Scheme could help some. That is where I think GS is a big step up from Ash. I liked GS's ameba defense. You never knew where the blitz is coming from. Without real pass rushers, we need to out scheme offenses.
With a few well placed transfers or JUCOs, 3 wins could turn to six. We have some talent here.
I really hope you are right but I’m not convinced. Tbh Greg has done nothing since leaving us that gives me any faith in him, he completely bombed in Tampa, bounced around as an analyst for a while then took a job at osu where the defense actually got better once he left. Meanwhile we have fans who are acting like just by hiring him back we are back to 06’ level.
I need to see Greg land multiple 4* recruits consistently to believe in him as a recruiter. This idea that we can take under the radar 3* kids and compete with PSU, OSU and Michigan is total nonsense.
I expect to win all of the wins.
A reminder that we could have been 13 points better every game this season and still gone 2-10.
We could've been 20(!) points better every game and been 3-9.
I am super optimistic for the future but let's not panic if next year is a 2-10 repeat with more competitive losses. Even games people are assuming we should have a chance in (like Syracuse) are games where we would be like 14 point underdogs with this year's team.
****, Monmouth isn't even that bad, we would be favored by like 3 if we played that game this Saturday.
We could've been 20(!) points better every game and been 3-9.
I am super optimistic for the future but let's not panic if next year is a 2-10 repeat with more competitive losses. Even games people are assuming we should have a chance in (like Syracuse) are games where we would be like 14 point underdogs with this year's team.
****, Monmouth isn't even that bad, we would be favored by like 3 if we played that game this Saturday.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf2019/ncaa-d1/ratings
Monmouth is ranked above us.
Let's just take a moment to say.. LOL Chris Ash.
Monmouth is ranked above us.
Let's just take a moment to say.. LOL Chris Ash.
I don't disagree...He needs to be in the 20-30 ranking in recruiting on a very consistent basis. For me, he gets 1 year before that is my expectation. And that is not counting this one. Next year- I want to see him in the 35 range with a 2-4 4 star players and no more than 1 reach. And when we see a reach- I want to see the confidence and smirk from him that tells us that he really found a good one...