Ok please find them in mens basketball since this is a mens basketball board and the sport we are discussing . Looking forward to the names you provide . I imagine you can find them quickly. You just said you would give them . Don’t use Google
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Before he replies, Im gonna take the Myles Johnson card off that table. That guy is 1 in several million.
The guy just could have gave them . Instead of saying oh I am gonna give them . The fact he hasn’t given them yet makes me skeptical
Myles missed practices routinely due to his class schedule. Not many p5 coaches other than pike are letting that happen.
I’m sure ucla wasn’t going for it.
now what if a full team was trying to be that “scholar athlete?” when does a coach say enough is enough. My guess is if we had even one more scholarship guy missing practices due to class schedules, there would have been some serious talks
and again, coach Pikiell is one of the most genuine in the game. But at the end of the day he’s getting paid a lot of money for the basketball team to win games, not get good grades.
Thank you for this post. I have been saying this here for years.Myles missed practices routinely due to his class schedule. Not many p5 coaches other than pike are letting that happen.
I’m sure ucla wasn’t going for it.
now what if a full team was trying to be that “scholar athlete?” when does a coach say enough is enough. My guess is if we had even one more scholarship guy missing practices due to class schedules, there would have been some serious talks
and again, coach Pikiell is one of the most genuine in the game. But at the end of the day he’s getting paid a lot of money for the basketball team to win games, not get good grades.
Just taking your travel and workout schedule into account , shows the amount of time to focus on academics is limited.
Was an RA on Busch and had many athletes during my time. Their schedules don’t allow for them to have a part time job. We’d be passing them on the way in, while they were headed out for 5am workouts. They were in bed by 9 pm. D1 athletics is a full time job with OT.
The addition of schools in California is a tipping point for me. We are making students fly 3 time zones to play a game for only one reason.You realize in 2024, rutgers is going to be in the same league with schools in California
yes. my respect for him has grown further seeing him come here and post as he has.
isn't that the football recruiting classes of just TAMU and Bama lol?
I get your point but just because there aren't articles being written we all know there must be hundreds of players now in this OPEN bidding/shopping process.
in fact direct from the article " Opendorse CEO Blake Lawrence says there are currently more than 100 groups pooling money (usually amounting to millions of dollars) in an effort to help athletes at their favorite school."
If you drain it down to the core sports and core schools..you have to admit it is having an impact, no?
(and please don't read this reply as being against the good faith value of NIL. ).
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Yes schools honor 4 year scholarships but a lot of kids still get “pushed” out by their coaches in the two scenarios you mentioned. They’ll basically promise a kid living hell if he doesn’t leave. It can get pretty ugly.
I think it’s fair to say that with NIL, it could get even uglier in that regard but I don’t see the actual rule changing where they don’t have to honor the scholarship.
I hear your point! I guess I wasn’t looking at it in that way. To me, those big groups are right now equivalent to the schools having the biggest arena, or the nicest facilities in the past. Student athletes always went where the money was, but now the money actually goes directly to them. If every school had nice facilities and that’s what you wanted, then you start to think about fit, the people, the atmosphere etc. i think it’s the same concept if every school has some sort of NIL initiative.
Im more saying how many times have you seen a story where a kid decided to just leave his school and go to the highest bidder. I’ve only seen a couple: The Miami basketball situation and the Pittsburgh football kid. I’m sure there is more though.
First thanks for your reply. But in reality it is just getting started and like the "bag $" of the past these are things likely less advertised due to the (unethical? IMO) nature of the practice.
And since I have you...without coming across as blowing smoke you know where...I have to tell you I am impressed with how you are approaching/have approached the NIL thing. The Educational approach is impressive and also have to tell you..wish that had been featured more up front as your efforts might have met with less resistance. The old school Student-Athlete types like me likely had the wrong impression. Your model certainly has value beyond the cash-in-hand objective. Kudos #0.
What if the NCAA hired a company who would evaluate a FMV (fair market value) of each NIL revenue stream for power conference revenue sport athletes. If the amount received by the athlete far exceeded the estimated value of the activity there would be a possible recruitment violation.
I understand there is a huge grey area and enforcement would be difficult/impossible.
I understand there is a huge grey area and enforcement would be difficult/impossible.
What or who determines FMV?
Are we going to run expected ROI models for private businesses?
If I want to waste my company's advertising budget on signing an NIL with a recruit who commits to Rutgers - why is that a problem?
It's my company's budget and a private contract.
If I want to blow that budget on a regular student/influencer to post on their IG - exact same thing.
How do you determine the intangible value I get from seeing Rutgers win?
I'm a lefty. I love seeing left-handed players succeed.
If I wanted to offer an exorbitant NIL opportunity to a left-handed player that vastly exceeds his "FMV", why is that a problem? Your FMV isn't incorporating the value I get from helping Rutgers succeed.
If someone is willing to offer the money, then by definition that makes it their FMV.
You're trying to regulate how a private citizen/company spends their money.
What's the ROI and contributing money to the AD?
Is Rutgers requiring mandatory seat donation subject to the same FMV evaluation? I hope not.
Pitt WR picks to transfer to USC for "monetary reasons": boo!! hiss!! that shouldn't be allowed
Big Ten adds USC for "monetary reasons": what a great move! so smart! Rutgers is going to make even more money now. Who cares if this ruins college football and destroys multiple P5 conferences!
Players have been transferring to better situations for decades. As you said, before they were transferring for better facilities, tv exposure...i.e. following the money.
Are we really going to say USC isn't a better football situation than Pittsburgh - considering the recent actions of the Big Ten?
Most kids on the lacrosse team don't have much scholarship money. They have to work during the summers to make ends meet. This years roster had 48 guys on it I believe. The maximum allowable limit is 12.6 scholarships. It's similar for every "Olympic Sport". But the point still stands. Those kids put in the same amount of hours for their sport, yet somehow find time to get a great education. The teams GPA was over 3.5 this year. The expectation is these kids will put in work. Real work. It's not easy.
If growth and personal development are in fact the point of college athletics (that's another debate), then the basketball players should be encouraged even more to take academics seriously. I am guessing Pike does that. If someone chooses to go to school where they don't, than that is their poor decision.
Gio made an incorrect statement. Equipment isn't the biggest issue for the games growth, particularly in inner cities. It's the lack of field space. The new sixes format is remedying that.
Fair market value is something someone is willing to pay. That's it. If I were an athlete now the cat is out of the bag. I wouldn't settle for someone making up some arbitrary number.
There is NILW. If people are willing to pay to see teams succeed that is isn’t NIL. That is W. Then a student athlete is a professional athlete.
Wait a second ... you're saying that the only person on the Rutgers basketball team who was allowed to take his education seriously was Myles Johnson and that if anyone else tried to do so, you believe Pikiell would have been pissed off and addressed it with the team?Myles missed practices routinely due to his class schedule. Not many p5 coaches other than pike are letting that happen.
I’m sure ucla wasn’t going for it.
now what if a full team was trying to be that “scholar athlete?” when does a coach say enough is enough. My guess is if we had even one more scholarship guy missing practices due to class schedules, there would have been some serious talks
and again, coach Pikiell is one of the most genuine in the game. But at the end of the day he’s getting paid a lot of money for the basketball team to win games, not get good grades.
If the Rutgers beat writers have any balls, they will ask Pike for a response directly. Hobbs, too.
I feel like I’ve already made my point that most kids just need more guidance in terms of making a huge decision like that when they’re 17 years old. Most basketball/football players do not have that guidance.
the reason for lacrosse players usually coming from money doesn’t change the fact that most of them do indeed come from money.
our team gpa was probably right around the same as the lacrosse teams. Doesn’t change the fact that most p5 basketball and football programs find ways to make school not school if you know what i mean lol. Winning is what gets the checks cut not our gpa.
I’ve yet to meet a lacrosse player who is stressed out if they don’t go pro for their sport. Again it’s a different culture after their college career is done. For most p5 basketball players, it’s all they’ve been told from the jump that their sport is their ticket and to lock in on it. Their mindset is so different from the very start.
you honestly think that basketball players are just naturally different human beings than lacrosse players? No. One is being told one thing from an early age while the other is being given a completely different message. Both are putting in serious work into what they’ve been told is important.
obviously there are outliers in both situations. Myles is a great example. He also ended up quitting basketball with one more year of eligibility left. Why do you think that is?
i already explained how he missed practices for school. What is mick Cronin, a guy who just made a national championship, going to think of that? If Myles was a lacrosse player no coach is going to say anything about him missing a practice here and there because the reality is the lacrosse team winning games has zero effect on the money situation at the school.The womens lacrosse coach at rutgers had a losing record for 16 years before getting replaced
people still are calling for pikes head on this board after 3 ncaa tournament appearances.and at least spell my name right lol
Most lacrosse players don’t come from money. Not on our team. It’s littered with kids whose parents are blue collar. Even some who came from private schools.
Myles made a mistake going to UCLA then. It’s up to student athletes to take ownership of their free education. Good to hear he did that
You won’t hear me calling for Pike’s head. I think he’s awesome. I’d play for that guy any day.
Myles made a mistake going to UCLA then. It’s up to student athletes to take ownership of their free education. Good to hear he did that
You won’t hear me calling for Pike’s head. I think he’s awesome. I’d play for that guy any day.
Take my words how you want to take them. What I’m saying is if every p5 basketball player all of a sudden said “you know what coach we came here to study first and play basketball second. We need to miss practices due to our class schedule” what do you think the conversation will be? This is zero shot at pikes, Hobbs or rutgers. It’s a shot at the system. The expectation in the system in p5 is that you take your sport seriously first. That part is pretty obvious now that ucla and usc will be in the big ten. The next thing that needs to come from that is athletes getting compensated. You can’t treat them as athletes first in every aspect and then turnaround and say no they’re students so they’re still amateurs
Plenty of lacrosse players miss class time for practice. They make it up in study halls and with academic advisors fyi.
I never said they don’t? I said if a lacrosse player missing practice for class no one will bat an eye.
regardless, you have your opinion and i have mine. I appreciate you giving your thoughts on it. I honestly was never a fan of college athletes being employees but it’s inevitable now with the moves the ncaa is making.
whether you think it’s right or not, what’s going to happen next is these super leagues are getting formed (for money) and the athletes and their advocates will fight to be paid (because they should) and they will ultimately win that fight.
It's exactly what he said and when I asked him to confirm it, he made a lengthy response and didn't deny it.
The lacrosse staff will most certainly "bat an eye" if guys are missing practice because of class. Lacrosse is a Big Ten sponsored sport. This isn't intramural sports we are talking about.
I think we are reaching critical mass. At some point people are going to start tuning it all out save the few schools with cult like followings. If I want to watch professionals play, I will watch the best ones in the world. There is a reason I don't watch the D league or whatever it's called.
I do think they will get paid, or some will. At least while the outsized revenues come in. Personally, I think they should carve football and basketball out from schools . Call it what it is. Sales and Marketing. Don't expect these guys to go to school at all. If they want to be students they can apply like anyone else.
It seems you are creating a career in this new world and I wish you all the best. And I don't think I've mentioned it but congratulations on what can only be classified at RU as a wonderful career, Geo.
He is saying that Myles studied engineering and because of it special arrangements were made so he could fulfill his requirements. I had friends who were engineers and the time commitment to their studies was double mine. I would venture to say far less than 1% of division 1 basketball players study engineering and Myles was an exception. What Geo is saying that if 12 players on the team decided to study engineering, the team would be horrible and coaches get paid to win games.
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Sorry, you’re right. They would. My point is that multiple college basketball players missing practice for class is a lot more detrimental to the higher ups in charge than lacrosse players. That’s no disrespect to the team and the work they put in. But it just comes down to the money. Which again goes back to why there has been a different mindset created for football and bball players. At the end of the day, if the lacrosse team isn’t winning games, from a financial standpoint, the people in charge will not care.
I don’t think people will tune it out as long as the schools name is still attached to the team. No idea though, guess time will tell.
and thank you, this is definitely looking like my career path for now! I’m probably a little too passionate about it which is how i somehow ended up quitting basketball hahaha thank you though, seriously
I promise you if the lacrosse team wasn't winning games, with Pat Hobbs now in charge, there would be someone held responsible. After hoops and football, lacrosse is one of our marquee sports. That's the beauty of being in the B1G. All sports matter really. The lacrosse alumni group is extremely well organized. We have the coach we want, but I can tell you if we didn't, it wouldn't be long before we did. Not with Pat in charge.
All good brother. Opinions and speculation is fun for a message board. That's what it's about here. I'm proud to call you a fellow alum and have a high respect for what you've done on the court, and off of it. You have a bright future.- keep grinding. The lessons you learned throughout your basketball life will serve you well for the rest of it. Let me know if I can ever be of help to you.