Our backups get snaps every week in practice.
Dylan and Lateef audition time
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Since games one and two of Rhule being in charge, he’s shown he ain’t pulling the starting QB until it’s 100% absolutely necessary. Exhibit A: Sims in Boulder. That’s just who Rhule is and how he coaches.
TJ is the man now. And, yes, he’s going to make some huge mistakes! I’m looking forward to what he, Holgersen and Johnson can pull off between those huge mistakes.
TJ is the man now. And, yes, he’s going to make some huge mistakes! I’m looking forward to what he, Holgersen and Johnson can pull off between those huge mistakes.
TJ is not quick and not impressed with his foot speed either.
Granted he's faster and quicker than Dylan, but then who isn't?
More than likely, go through the motions type reps.
Not necessarily lobbying for it, rather hypothesizing if Granddad's game experience might be what we need to lean on for the rest of the season. TJ absolutely should be getting first team reps and inserted into games as often as appropriate but he was playing high school ball this time last year. If this happened at the beginning of the season with the pud part of the schedule still in front of the team, that would be a different convo where TJ could use those games to tune up. But at this point of the season with who we have left, a steadier hand on the tiller should at least be considered. In all likelihood we're going to go with TJ so this is prolly a moot point.So now we’re lobbying for the backup to the backup?
I can agree with this. I guess we/I just have the "running" QB label a little different than some. I think TJ is a QB who "can" run and make a few off script plays . But I wouldn't label him a "running" QB. Maybe it's semantics but when I think of that I think of a guy who can beat you with his legs. I don't think he's beating UcLa, Iowa or PSU with his legs. Though combined with accuracy and more ways to win it might be enough.
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The problem is whatever they incorporate this week, makes it easier for PSU to prepare for next week.
What works this week also needs to work next week, or at least plays that appear the same.
As silly as it sounds, the onus is really on the defense Saturday. If there ever was a game this year when the defense needs to play lights out its now. If the defense can keep us in the game while they work out the bugs with TJ, it gives us a much better shot the longer the game goes.
NU needs to get Jacori in the plan again. Last 6 games on 6 punt returns for 33 yards, and 10 receptions for 36 yards. We need more than 3.6 yards a reception. We need something big out of him and Williams in the specialty team department.
I'm absolutely serious. It goes without saying he's NOT a 4.3 burner. I think that's pretty obvious.
Hate to tell you but being 5-6 steps faster than Dylan isn't that big a deal. I'd bet you everyone on our starting defense would outrun Dylan. That's not some great feat.
Listen I think TJ IS mobile. Much more mobile than Dylan is. So yes I expect he will make some plays with his feet and get outta trouble a bit. But when you guys speak of him like he's some "running " QB who is gonna turn the corner and pop off 40 yards are mistaken. He isn't an Adrian Martinez as a runner. I think he's more quick and slippery/shifty than fast. Will his legs help him get outta trouble and make a couple/3 plays? Yes they will but I'll be shocked if his athleticism alone is enough to beat UclA, PSU or Iowa.
He's gonna have to make those 2/3 big throws in these games that'll decide whether we win or lose. I'm much more interested in seeing if he can do that. FWIW I'm extremely excited to see how he does. UCLA has some athletes and speed on defense. Let's see how it goes.
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Jalyn Gramstad is the next Joe ganz and needs to playSo now we’re lobbying for the backup to the backup?
Well as far as what works this week the next team will know was always gonna be the case. They will have a week off in between and that should be a great time to get him more ready for other things and counters off the things he does well.
Definitely need the defense to play well Saturday for sure.
As Far as ur last point I couldn't agree more. Idk what's going on but they need to get that dude the ball. Call it what you want but uSc Cbs locked up Key and Hunter pretty much. Neither could gain much separation and struggle to catch 50/50 balls. No reason Barbey shouldn't get 5 or more touches EVERY game on offense. Idc if it's pitches, fly sweeps, screens or wildcat QB. He's one of our biggest threats and needs to be incorporated more.
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He will be dangerous enough defenses will have to account for him or he will make them pay. This will open more lanes for EJ. I think he will be able to connect long too. If not, there's not a difference than the past 22 games. I gave Raiola a year before I started complaining about his deficiency in that area.
You would think with a 5 star top rated qb you would be able to hit Barney up the seam on some play action.....
We need to run counters, reverses, flea flickers all the sh*t that can eventually give the QB time to throw something more than 15 yards to a receiver.
Throw in some slants for good measure so we can get it out quick if nothing else.
Do we have a RB that can even throw the ball a little?
Nothing says we can't be a little creative when we have the ball and decent field position.
If there was ever a time in the last 1 3/4 years to let it all hang out, its Saturday night.
We can't go long if we don't even try.
I hope you are right about defenses having to account for him. I agree that'll open it up more for EJ. I also think if what I seen from him is true he will throw a better deep ball than Dylan (Dylans biggest weakness imo).
If only he can "play catch" like Dylan can. If he can we may be on to something. I'm reserving all judgement tho till i see him prepared to go.
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I bet UCLA will welcome TJ with the ball in his hands due to possible ball security issues.
If TJ struggles, I expect our first QB option will be HH. Scoring points on UCLA hasn't been that difficult this year.
So what? He was/is a young qb on a mediocre team with a **** oline. Do you remember Josh Allen coming into Lincoln and playing terrible? It happens. You play talent and let them develop.
We won games with Haarberg and Lateef looks like he has twice the acceleration of Haarberg and has to be at least twice as accurate.
And I would imagine they could get creative with formations including TJ, EJ and Haarberg. Who gets the ball snapped them? Who gets to handoff? Is it a pass or a run?
Leave Haarberg at TE. No DC cares about him at qb. We have already wasted so many plays have him at qb this year. Maybe 1 was actually successful?
Yes there are reasons he was moved from QB people need to think those reasons have not gone away somehow. He’s also been unremarkable at TE as well unfortunately, I was hopeful he would have been more productive there.
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He’s been good as a TE but there’s only one ball and we have multiple options.
TJ stepped into him and his foot made contact with EJ's foot and forced him to fall. Lateef also had 9 carries, fumbled 3 times, and threw it 7 times for 7 yards. Maybe he can do better with some prep but he is a major downgrade from DR.
History supports what you say but I think HH could do well with packages that look run heavy but incorporate quick slants. I saw HH has accuracy problems but get him in a formation that screams run and then use a safe pass. HH isn't an every down QB, but he knows the Satt version of the playbook which DH is still using parts of. Having said all that HH at QB is not a solution for the rest of the season; I'm just saying he should have some packages inserted for him.
A play action pass when he has routinely snuck the call on short yardage could be a killer play. I’ve been waiting for them to run something like that.
If the kid craps the bed, then you hope he grows quickly from it. We can limp along with Haarberg if we have to, but I suspect TJ's getting a crash course of late season B1G play.. which will be great experience. Treat it like a new mini season. 0-0 and you got 4 games to play.
Lot's of good, talented qbs stink up the place. Especially when they are young. My point is look at Josh Allen in college. 56% completion %. 20 ints in 2 years. But no one cared, because he is talented. Dylan isn't perfect but people sure forget how 2 years ago our qbs couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Tough for a freshman to be thrown into that situation. Would have been doom and gloom last year but I'm actually kind of excited to see what Lateef can do.
Hopefully they let him throw downfield some and don't get too conservative. Seems like Holgorsen is either little short passes or 30 yard 50/50 balls. Barely any in between.
Casey Thompson threw more long touchdown passes in one game against Purdue or Iowa than DR has thrown in his 22 game career. Everybody nowadays completes 60-70% of their passes.
DR's had 15 INT's in less than 2 years and his percentage is high due to the dink offense we run.
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That's on the OC. Seems like Holgorsen only believes in 50/50 balls or short passes like bubble screens. I bet Whipple would have had Dylan throwing bombs to Hunter and Barney. Didn't hurt having Palmer and his blazing speed.
Other than one ball to Coleman, DR hasn't hit a long ball in stride to a WR. He throws a lousy long ball.
Trey was a step only faster than both Coleman and Lloyd.
That is true about Casey though he had Trey Palmer to run away from the secondary
Step faster and multiple times better as an actual football player. Tre caught 39 passes in 1 season in the NFL. I doubt the other 2 have that many catches combined in their college careers. Hell, the 2 of them might not have that many catches combined in college and high school.
That isn't the point. The point is DR can't throw the long ball and it wouldn't make any difference if we had Trey Palmer or Usain Bolt who is multiple steps faster than Trey.
You just want to argue about your unwinnable argument. I'm putting you on Ignore. Go away!!
Most polite "argument" ever where someone got put on ignore. Haha
Looking for reasons to put people on ignore. Weak.....
Look up his freshman highlights. Plenty of nice 20+ yard throws.
I’m pretty confident that Dylan has an arm or hand problem that might need some surgical intervention. They admitted to a throwing hand issue early in the year.