Better to wait until at least June before saying this or else you can end up looking like an idiot.
Not sure why it takes so long for people to catch on to this with how rosters are so in flux these days.
Duke's Mark Mitchell returning to School
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Not sure why it takes so long for people to catch on to this with how rosters are so in flux these days.
Tbh. I always compared Mitchell and Livingstons game. Similar body type and both play very hard, high motor. They both hang on the perimeter, but are most effective when they are driving to the paint or getting put back layups.
Mitchell mainly due to injuries to white head and other duke players got the opportunity to play more early in his season where Livingston did not.
As a result, Mitchell’s defensive game and jump shot was more polished at the end of the season than livingston
If UK fans are praying for a Livingston return then I don’t see how to knock Mitchell. Watch the tape, besides knocking down open threes, you are basically watching the same player on the court. A glue guy that’s needed for a championship
If Duke gets Flip back(who was named freshman of the year) then they could potentially be the early title favorites. We will see though.
Mitchell mainly due to injuries to white head and other duke players got the opportunity to play more early in his season where Livingston did not.
As a result, Mitchell’s defensive game and jump shot was more polished at the end of the season than livingston
If UK fans are praying for a Livingston return then I don’t see how to knock Mitchell. Watch the tape, besides knocking down open threes, you are basically watching the same player on the court. A glue guy that’s needed for a championship
If Duke gets Flip back(who was named freshman of the year) then they could potentially be the early title favorites. We will see though.
That might all depend on which portal big they land. Currently looking at 4 of them
Is Roach even coveted by the NBA? I feel like that ship has sailed. 13pts 3a 2to as a junior doesn't cut it I don't think.
Flip may come back. I'm pretty sure Scheyer and Duke are pushing the return.. but it really wouldn't be a smart decision. When you're a top5 recruit (meaning he's had the NBA on the horizon for several years now) and The NBA thinks you're worthy for a 1st round pick after your freshman year... you go. That's a huge risk to come back and either get injured or show deficiencies in your game.
I been saying for years you gotta hand it to teams like ku duke and unc. They would never allow bad years and get players that return.
Flip will announce next week he is coming back. I think Flip loves the college game along with the potential Duke has next year. I also believe that he feels like he can become a lottery pick in a weaker draft class next year.
Roach is not a NBA player & never was honestly. His plan was to leave after this year and he will graduate as a Junior this year, but now he is apparently undecided. He is either going to the G league or returning to Duke with a smaller role.
Flip is slipping to the 2nd round in some mocks. It's probably 50/50. Roach should come back but the rumors are he wants to move on.
I don't think Roach is any big loss, except for the chance that he takes another step forward. But I think his replacement could fill the void pretty easily.
If Flip is slipping in the mocks before they've even done camps or workouts.. then that doesn't really bode well for being draft next year or the year after. Still think it's best for him to strike while the iron is hot. 29th overall pick is still getting a cool $6 milllion.
If Flip is slipping in the mocks before they've even done camps or workouts.. then that doesn't really bode well for being draft next year or the year after. Still think it's best for him to strike while the iron is hot. 29th overall pick is still getting a cool $6 milllion.
That's why I think Flip goes. It's hard to pass up the first round. I do think another year could boost his stock. He was probably asked to do too much this year, as Lively didn't come on until late in the year.
Or, come back and play yourself into the lottery. The incoming class isnt particularly strong. But yeah, it's a crap shoot for sure.
It's not really a crap shoot though.. there is far more risk than reward here.
Plus, sophomores don't often play themselves into the lottery. The lottery is dominated by freshman, g-league and euro players. Just look at your 1st round mock drafts for this year.. maybe 3 or 4 sophomores..
The thing is, in terms of bigs and talent, 2024 draft currently appears to be more favorable than the 2023draft.
Someone like Flip, could be a potential lottery pick in the 2024 draft.
He could still do it. Sure. I'm not gonna say it's impossible.
I can't really compare the two draft classes as of now. I know that 2023 has the best two guys as of now, Wemby and Scoot.. but after that I'm not so sure that 2024 is gonna be weaker. And regardless, idk if that's a reason to roll the dice.
Historically a guy like Flip goes to the NBA after what he did this year. With NIL though, everything changes.
I’m not just basing it on who’s coming in and coming back from Duke. I’m basing it on every season for the past several seasons. When was the last time we were better than Duke?
He said at the all star game last year he was trying to leave as quickly as possible lol but now it’s Lebron and Klutch fault lmao. They just doing what he wants
So you are saying if starters Whitehead and Lively would not have gotten hurt then then the subs would have gotten more minutes?
There is no way Flip is going from fringe first rounder to lottery after a second year.
First, lottery picks are typically set for 18 or 19 year old guards and second, I don't know what Filipowski could possibly do to improve that much. He had a great year and showed he could score from multiple levels, but he's still slipping.
The only way he goes Lottery next year is if he somehow turns into Lebron.
Snowballs chance in hell.
He would be a fool to come back to school and pass up 1st round money. What exactly is he going to do better next year to push him all the way into the lottery?
We say "next year is a weaker draft" every year, eventually we'll learn it really never is.
It's like being up $1,000 at the casino, and you're going to risk it all just to win $50 more. Flip trying to move up to a lottery pick as a sophomore is very very risky.
As long as Cal stays here, we will be the weakest of the blue bloods and probably not even as good as the Kansas state's of college basketball.
Ain't gonna happen. He would be making a huge mistake if he came back, if he has a better year next year, it will be a minimal improvement and he'll end up in the 2nd round, because he'll be a year older, his value will drop. Nobody knows this **** better than UK fans.
Flip isn’t going to magically turn into Kevin Durant, he is who he is and he had a great year, he needs to go while he can.
So because Clarke is dead, we can't talk about the truth? Nobody is disrespecting him.
Filipowski is maybe a first rounder this year. He will definitely be a first rounder next year if he comes back, and after a legitimate shot at a Final Four. Mark Williams could have gone after his freshman year as he was maybe a first rounder. He returned, went to the Final Four then went pick 15 in the 1st round.
Why would he be a first rounder next year if he isn’t one this year?
Do you think the NBA doesn’t already know what his potential is? With guys like Flip, all the NBA cares about, is potential. He's not going to show them anything in year 2 that the NBA will be blown away by. They already know what he is and what he can be.
By waiting until next year, all he will be doing is losing value, he will be a year older and a year behind.
Now, there are guys in college that manage to play their way into the NBA, but those are guys that were not on the NBA's radar until they balled out, but that's not Flip. Flip has been on the NBA's radar for quite some time.
If the injury doesn’t happenSo you are saying if starters Whitehead and Lively would not have gotten hurt then then the subs would have gotten more minutes?
So it’s impossible that he improves his 3 point shooting and that there is less competition for the lottery due to a weaker class? Talking in absolutes never makes sense to me.
Every year we say the next draft is weaker and it never is.
So, you think the NBA is going to take him 20 spots higher next year because he shot a few percentage points higher? What's the weather like in Fairytale land?
The NBA already knows he can shoot and since he is never going to turn into Steph Curry, he will not show them anything they don't already know.
The NBA just needs to see your potential, they will take it from there.
He is not going to go from fringe first round to lottery, you're out of your mind if you think that's going to happen.
I didn’t say he would. I said we don’t know. And we don’t. Whether you think you do or not.
If the starters aren't injured then the bench guys get less playing time. Geez and I thought Duke fans were supposed to be smart.
To your original point, Scheyer has not shown he will only play 6-7 guys. It’s the opposite of what you said. 8-9 got significant minutes
But it was only because of injuries. Without Lively, Whitehead and other minor injuries to starters then you have 6-7 who average double digit minutes.
Oh OK, well all we can do is wait and see what happens next season. You think it will be 6 to 7, I think it will be 8 to 9. We will seeBut it was only because of injuries. Without Lively, Whitehead and other minor injuries to starters then you have 6-7 who average double digit minutes.
No way in hell Flip returns imo. Also no way in hell Roach takes a smaller role his remaining year. It’s not his fault they over recruited at the position. He showed he played his best off the ball once they put the ball in Proctor’s hands. Experience gets you farther than talent these days and neither McCain or Foster are a sure thing.