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Bummer. Be nice if they could get him to visit at least. Have Coach Verduzco sleep over at his house or something.
Well he did visit us officially and normally a player doesn’t waste a official on a team he’s not interested in. Texas AM has landed 4 star DB Moten and they also have another DB Jaylen Jones thats ranked 5.9 4 star (can’t remember the name). So we shall see. Again, i disagree that we aren’t in on him, he did officially visit us.
I know you are always optimistic, me to. But we're not getting most of these dudes
Thought we’d land Moten...He was a Husker lean at one point and faded quick. Jimbo is stockpiling some talent in Aggie land this year
This x1000.
This is a critical year for Frost. In modern college football you don’t get seven years to rebuild a program. It is a 1-3 year window for showing that things have turned around. With our schedule this year we should be, at a minimum, 8-4, with no blowout losses. If we go 7-5 or 6-6 we will make a bowl game but generate little mojo or publicity for recruiting. Personally, I think what we really need to start the momentum train going, is an 11-1 or 10-2 regular season and a trip to the B1G title game. I think we have the talent for that. It all depends on improvement on defense.
That’s a lot to ask for this year. We still have questions at OL, WR and LB and a lack of depth. A bowl game this year and 11-1 or 10-2 next year is more realistic in my opinion.
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I agree it is the upper end of what to hope for. Still... other than Ohio State we have equal to better talent than any other team on our schedule. Perhaps that is incorrect. But it is based on comparative recruiting rankings. A lot depends on injuries and sometimes sheer luck, and our lack of depth at certain positions, as you point out, could kill us if we get hit with a rash of injuries. But if we stay relatively healthy, and we clean up our penalties and turnovers, then I do think we have the potential to be a very good team. Just my humble opinion.
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You are delusional if you think we have talent equal to or better than all but Ohio State. Just look at the pre season magazine's all BIG three deeps. We have one or two players total. Until Frost builds a Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern level defense we will stick at 6-6 or 7-5 records. Offense is fun but pitching a great defense wins championships. No one wants to talk about it on this site, but I will be proven correct that Chinander's is not the answer. He has never put a strong defense on a Power 5 field.
Total # of players on preseason all big ten teams
OSU 11
Iowa 9
Neb 8
Minn 8
Purd 7
NW 6
Wisc 5
Ill 4
Ind 4
Maryland 4
Thus his statement by your criteria is spot on. We have equal or better talent than anyone but OSU. We have the best QB in the division if not conf. We have Iowa at home.
Along with the jump from being in year 2 we should win this division on a pretty consistent basis
We have never had a recruiting class ranked behind any team currently in the west division
Have you factored in the defections from the past few classes? There have been a lot of players leave that helped build those rankings.
The 2016 and 2017 classes aren’t comparable at this stage. In Iowa’s favor.
Iowa has a top 5 pick and two other possible first rounders on this squad. Stanley will be drafted, Geno Stone could possibly leave after this year and will be drafted for sure either of the next two seasons. The DE opposite Epenesa will be drafted one of the next two years IMO. That’s not even mentioning pre season AA kick returner Smith-Marsette.
Iowa has more talent this season, but as we’ve seen numerous times, that doesn’t usually equate to Kirk producing big seasons.
It’s true the defections and busts make the recruiting rankings mostly irrelevant right now.
This is a year that feels like we have the talent to compete, and it’s up to Frost and Co. to show us what their coaching can really do.
It is a critical year for setting up the future as Pennsyhusker referenced.
With that I’m gonna go back to sipping on my kool aid, cus Frost makes the best kool aid.
This is a year that feels like we have the talent to compete, and it’s up to Frost and Co. to show us what their coaching can really do.
It is a critical year for setting up the future as Pennsyhusker referenced.
With that I’m gonna go back to sipping on my kool aid, cus Frost makes the best kool aid.
Maybe somebody should start a thread on who has the better team between Iowa and Notre Dame so that their fans can congregate and leave the other threads alone.Have you factored in the defections from the past few classes? There have been a lot of players leave that helped build those rankings.
The 2016 and 2017 classes aren’t comparable at this stage. In Iowa’s favor.
Iowa has a top 5 pick and two other possible first rounders on this squad. Stanley will be drafted, Geno Stone could possibly leave after this year and will be drafted for sure either of the next two seasons. The DE opposite Epenesa will be drafted one of the next two years IMO. That’s not even mentioning pre season AA kick returner Smith-Marsette.
Iowa has more talent this season, but as we’ve seen numerous times, that doesn’t usually equate to Kirk producing big seasons.
Have you factored in the defections from the past few classes? There have been a lot of players leave that helped build those rankings.
The 2016 and 2017 classes aren’t comparable at this stage. In Iowa’s favor.
Iowa has a top 5 pick and two other possible first rounders on this squad. Stanley will be drafted, Geno Stone could possibly leave after this year and will be drafted for sure either of the next two seasons. The DE opposite Epenesa will be drafted one of the next two years IMO. That’s not even mentioning pre season AA kick returner Smith-Marsette.
Iowa has more talent this season, but as we’ve seen numerous times, that doesn’t usually equate to Kirk producing big seasons.
Perhaps I am missing something, but I believe those were the preseason all big 10 teams and the number of players from each school on those all big 10 teams. So unless there were defections since June and those defections were all big 10 players, I fail to see the point of defections
Our depth and our best players on paper compared to reality shows how the transition isn't complete.
But, heres what I believe.
I believe this staff gets more out of wrong fits,top athletes that turned out to be misses etc than any of our previous staffs.
I could go way into specifics, but mentioning guys like Wilson,Farmer,Farniok,Luke,Daishon,Dismuke,Lee, and more shows why many left, they either were just strolling their way along under MR, or, they thought a little too much about themselves and where they should be, and how hard it would be to actually be that guy they think they are. Come here to work, go elsewheres to shine every once awhile.
I will beat the SnC thing to death this year, next year no, but other than the fact knowing its finally being done right.
We have more athletes in a few more positions than most,we have a staff that wants their guys with the body types they want, but these coaches will make things work.
Depending on the system/style, needs are different, but developement doesnt end just because someone isnt the perfect body type, or, we would never have gotten a NPG.
But, heres what I believe.
I believe this staff gets more out of wrong fits,top athletes that turned out to be misses etc than any of our previous staffs.
I could go way into specifics, but mentioning guys like Wilson,Farmer,Farniok,Luke,Daishon,Dismuke,Lee, and more shows why many left, they either were just strolling their way along under MR, or, they thought a little too much about themselves and where they should be, and how hard it would be to actually be that guy they think they are. Come here to work, go elsewheres to shine every once awhile.
I will beat the SnC thing to death this year, next year no, but other than the fact knowing its finally being done right.
We have more athletes in a few more positions than most,we have a staff that wants their guys with the body types they want, but these coaches will make things work.
Depending on the system/style, needs are different, but developement doesnt end just because someone isnt the perfect body type, or, we would never have gotten a NPG.
If that game defines a strong P5 defense, then Nebraska already has a strong defense. Against Auburn, UCF gave up 27 points, 421 total yards, 331 passing yards, and 90 yards on the ground. Nebraska 2018 allowed on average 31 points, 433 total yards, 237 through the air and 195 on the ground.
So your comparing one game over a 12 game season...
Auburn had one of the best offense in the country that year too..
He compared one game and defined that as a strong P5 defense.
And Auburn was barely a Top 25 offense.
2017 Auburn scored 51 against Missouri, 49 against Mississippi State, 44 against Ole Miss, 52 against Arkansas, 42 against Texas A&M, 40 against Georgia, and 26 against Alabama. A little context is needed. Stats are for losers. Also, UCF ran 71 plays and had to defend against the 87 plays that Auburn ran.
Edit - Those 90 yards rushing were on 44 plays and they had 2 interceptions and 1 fumble recovery. That's pretty stout.
Auburn averaged 451 yards of total offense on the season and UCF held them to 421. They averaged 34 points per game and UCF held them to 27.
The fact that Auburn ran 87 plays is sort of on the defense isn’t it?
They got the win against an 9-3 P5 team that had about the 25th best offense in the country that year in both scoring and total offense. Nothing about that game says strong P5 defense.
No I didn't. I was responding to the comment that he never put a strong defense on a P5 field. I thought that performance made a strong argument to rebuke that statement.
Alabama who is always considered one of the top defenses in the country gave up 408 yards on only 71 plays ran by Auburn. I'm sure your going to argue that Alabama doesn't have a strong P5 defense now. LOL
And I showed evidence as to why I didn’t think it was all that strong of a defensive performance.
That was the best defense that Chin and his defense had all season for sure. The defense seemed to be average at best but were successful in creating turnovers. Milton was good.
Awesome. They had a decent offense, and UCF held them to just barely below what they had done all season. I still don’t see how that shows Chin has put a STRONG defense on a P5 football field. That defense performance was basically what they allowed all year long in the AAC. 428 total yards and 25 points.
If you don't think a performance that was better than Missouri, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Georgia, and was on par with Alabama isn't strong, than you are not being objective.
Also, your "evidence" is weak. Holding an offense below their averages is a sign of a good performance, especially when that opponent is playing in the SEC.
Sorry, you kind of had to go back a few posts. I quoted a quote of a quote of a post made by Pennsy, where he stated, “... other than Ohio State we have equal to better talent than any other team on our schedule. Perhaps that is incorrect. But it is based on comparative recruiting rankings”
I do think that with Iowa having more (9 to 8) and more top end talent listed (5 to 3 first and second teamers), that they can still say there is more talent on Iowa at this point in time.
This is according to Athlon and I haven’t looked into the others.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-2019-all-conference-team
