I'm not an idiot. I simply believe Cals method of team building is fatally flawed.
Does Cal win another title?
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Since you obviously can't read or check my posting history I'll just tell you that I never left.
Btw he's also had by far the best talent in that stretch. It's an absolute joke that we don't have ATLEAST 2 titles under Cal already.
That isn't relevant and you know it. We will never have a top talent as a jr or sr. If they are still here they will be recruited over and will primarily ride the pine, or transfer....please see Hump.
Idiot? Maybe, maybe not - different people have different gifts, but your inexperience argument is terrible. Like, I do stats for a living and I would automatically cross your name off my list if your resume showed up in the inbox entirely based on your approach to the data. Confirmation bias, not considering the sample size, not isolating variables. It's really, really poor.
That's the only part.
He recruits kids that are the best or think they are the best and most leave as they should.
If the ones with no business leaving would stay, the ones Cal told you likely wont be first round stayed we would be fine.
What if Orton was healthy and stayed with 2011?
Liggins could have helped 2012 even more.
Teague and Lamb in 2013 make that club 100 times better.
Archie is the only questionable one - twins and young coming in... who knows.
They stayed for 2015 and we lost the last 3 minutes of one game the entire season.
Booker and Dakari, on paper should have stayed along with the twins for 2016.
Then we have Mathews and Lee puss out.
But until someone shows the formula for which top 25 kid you turn down for a top 150 then it is a nonstarter.
And yes, most top 100 kids want a bunch of PT, so dont even consider that a top 50-75 kid is willing to come and wait his turn or roll the dice that he will ever get a turn.
Quit being an arrogant ***. I run businesses. I have no need for a job from you. Now, try a direct response instead of your straw man argument.
This is probably the hardest title to win in sports. It takes a lot of luck and Cal has not really had a whole lot. Saw a stat on here earlier and at UK Cal had only played two games against a double digit seed after the first round and one of those was this year against a mis-seeded Wichita State.
In comparison when UofL won in 2013 they played a 12 seed to go to elite 8. Played a 9 seed in final four and a 4 seed to win it. Kentucky played an 8,4,3,4,2 in 2012. 2011 final four UK played a 5,1,2,3. 2010 team did get a break and play a 12 seed to get to elite 8. For reference Duke played a 7 seed to make the title game in 2015. It's hard to win when your bracket never seems to fall apart.
In comparison when UofL won in 2013 they played a 12 seed to go to elite 8. Played a 9 seed in final four and a 4 seed to win it. Kentucky played an 8,4,3,4,2 in 2012. 2011 final four UK played a 5,1,2,3. 2010 team did get a break and play a 12 seed to get to elite 8. For reference Duke played a 7 seed to make the title game in 2015. It's hard to win when your bracket never seems to fall apart.
So like has been said time and again you must be one miserable jackass because championships are ver rare.
I don't necessarily disagree with you and good point on all the players that should've stayed. This part is on Cal, as much as I hate to admit it. He needs to let these guys know that there's no way they need to go yet and do everything he can to force them to stay, not only for their benefit but his and ours as well.
It's definitely a slippery slope.
Again, tell us which Top 25 recruit you say no to for the Top 150 kids you want to come and stay?
Wasn't Cal's best day, I agree. I will say that with the awful refereeing and his 2 guards on the bench his hands were tied a bit, but the end of the game wasn't the best coaching job.
How many of our 2017 recruits are rated as top 10 players? Hami Diallo may be the only one, if we don't sign anyone else.
Cal is the BEST recruiter/coach in college basketball. We have a shot at the NCAA Title EVERY YEAR with him !! It's beyond ridiculous for anyone to even attempt to prove otherwise.
Cal is the BEST recruiter/coach in college basketball. We have a shot at the NCAA Title EVERY YEAR with him !! It's beyond ridiculous for anyone to even attempt to prove otherwise.
67 teams will have had an "almost" year. You don't understand how hard it is to win a championship. Heck we went 14 years without a final four and now your complaining? SMH.
I already gave a bunch of reasons why knocking Cal's approach in general is dumb just a page back. My response to you laid out exactly why your OP made absolutely no sense. And if you'd like an expansion on that which directly pertains to your point, go look at the stats of the underclassmen vs the upperclassmen during the last game of every season since Cal's been here.
And please, tell me the names of your businesses so I can be sure never to contract with you. There's nothing worse than working with people who are unreliable and who make emotional decisions when encountering adversity.
If he forces them then he is lying to them when he recruits them. Simple as that.
Cal tells them what he hears and what he thinks and lets them make their own decisions.
It may suck for us at times but it is the honorable thing to do if you are going sell the message he does to recruits and their families..
Exactly! How is it that guys from UNC and Duke have the same "potential", but yet come back year after year? I love Cal and wouldn't trade him for anyone, but the idiots saying other coaches are big bad meanies because they don't shove kids out the door and allow them to come back are crazy. Those kids have the same potential, but come back to school and win titles. I wish some of our guys would do the same.
I don't think Cal pushes people out. But. When you sell kids on getting them to the NBA as quickly as possible, they will leave as soon as possible. So. He will never have a junior Justin Jackson, or a senior Kennedy Meeks, or anyone like that. The best kids want to leave early. Until he gets the next Kobe, Lebron, or AD, odds are similar results.
I hope fans frustration is not because of Cal's results because how can you seriously argue with them. My frustration is seeing kids who are just good college players leaving early and even more living with the reality of never seeing anything close to our top players best in a UK uniform.
I hope fans frustration is not because of Cal's results because how can you seriously argue with them. My frustration is seeing kids who are just good college players leaving early and even more living with the reality of never seeing anything close to our top players best in a UK uniform.
If he didn't load up on 5*s to the point of other guys not getting off the bench, I'd say he could get plenty.
I fully disagree with his recruiting style and you know I haven't changed my position. If you're telling me he can't build a solid team that matures through the system and every year add 2-3 top players for specific needs, well, I don't believe that.
Next year will be brutal.
After the 38-1 team didn't win I knew we would never win another if that team could not do it. Cals system is great for getting into the tournament but not winning one.
It is the hardest title to get, But we are doing it the hardest way. we get freshman every year and they do great and I have no problem because they do win. BUT my god people look at it for what it is worth the refs in the sec seem to be on vegas pay roll or are just bad. every year I watch the selection show and when I hear them say boy that is the worst and brutal bracket out there you know KY is in it. Then when KY bust there young *** to make it thru they throw the worst refs in the game at us that hate Cal.
I don't see it unless he gets some elite 4*s and hidden gem 3*s to come and stay at least 3 years..
Yes and no. How about we wait and see who is right. I still say Cal won't see another title.
Cal will have another title in 2-3 years. Take it to the bank. Anyone who consistently gets this far into the tournament is eventually going to break through and win 6 straight.
Still doesn't answer the question, how many Top 20-30 kids do you turn away for the lesser talented Top 100-150 kids?
And yes, next year may be awful.
Jerez, take a history lesson. UK went 20 years without a title, 14 of them under RUPP. Went 18 years under Hall, Sutton, and Pitino.
What an arrogant jackass you are being. It's funny. I haven't posted anything out if emotion your highness. I've said the same thing for years. As for your challenge, we haven't recruited in a way to test my theory so your statement is moot.
Is "take it to bank" as good as "mark it down" people like to say on here? Seems it's worth spit.
Oh, I know that you're hanging out in the game threads bitching about Cal's decisions.
I'm talking about your big coming out party, honey. Happens every March. You just strut your stuff for the whole world.
And I've smacked this point down so many times and I don't know if I have the energy to type it agai... wait yes I do.
CAL AND K HAVE THE SAME AVERAGE NUMBER OF 5 STARS PER ROSTER DURING CAL'S TENURE AT UK AND K IS THE REPUTED GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME YET DOES NOT HAVE CLEARLY SUPERIOR RESULTS TO CAL
I doubt if Cal can unring the bell at this point. Will those 70-150 kids believe they won't be recruited over? I doubt it. I already said I think it would be best if we took 2-3 oads per year, the rest is a foundation for the future.
It doesn't matter though. Too much of our fan base is infatuated with oads so it will never stop while Cal is here. That is why I have repeatedly said Cal won't win another title.
I love Cal but he fell in love with being able to recruit and endless string of top 20 kids. Now he can't stop.
You are focusing on the negative. This team was 32-6 and in the hunt. With 8 championships in over 100 years, it's all you can ask for. Heartbreaking loss or close win. It's hard.