Divisional Playoff weekend .....

RUboston

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One of the best games I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe the Chiefs got into FG range in 13 seconds from the 25. Impressive QB play. Poor defense from both teams. Question for you rules mavens. The pass to Kelce with 7 seconds left in regulation, he caught it with 3-4 seconds left in the middle of the field. If the Bills don’t touch him, does time run out. Or does the clock stop if he slides and gives himself up.
 

Plum Street

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One of the best games I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe the Chiefs got into FG range in 13 seconds from the 25. Impressive QB play. Poor defense from both teams. Question for you rules mavens. The pass to Kelce with 7 seconds left in regulation, he caught it with 3-4 seconds left in the middle of the field. If the Bills don’t touch him, does time run out. Or does the clock stop if he slides and gives himself up.
Refs wil blow it dead eventually since he gave himself up. Kc also had a timeout so they would have stopped it in time.
Not squibbing was the bad move
 

tico brown

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One of the best games I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe the Chiefs got into FG range in 13 seconds from the 25. Impressive QB play. Poor defense from both teams. Question for you rules mavens. The pass to Kelce with 7 seconds left in regulation, he caught it with 3-4 seconds left in the middle of the field. If the Bills don’t touch him, does time run out. Or does the clock stop if he slides and gives himself up.
He gave himself up so the play stops.
The clock stopped because KC had a timeout.
 
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Shelby65

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clock doesn't stop when you give yourself up. QB can't take a knee to stop clock either, he has to spike it (for the incomplete pass).
 

mdk02

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This game may replace the 1958 Colts-Giants game as the greatest NFL game ever played. And a game that actually exceeded the lofty expectation.

That was a championship game. Even if you say a conference was added, that would be next weeks game.
 

tico brown

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So are NFL's
Its a shame to see a great shootout end because of a coin toss

Should’ve stopped them when they had the chance. But a dam shame that the defense ran out of gas in the last 2 minutes. No other way to explain why they were in a prevent vs Hill’s speed, Kelcie over the middle, and Mahomes vs a 4 man rush.
 

ashokan

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Blame the Bill Defense. Man up and hold them to a FG.
I never saw a college OT where I felt one team didn't lose and one team didn't win
Nobody rational can say Bufflao wouldn't have scored back
The coin toss won the game
If Buff wins the toss they probably score too

In a 4th Q shoot-out eveybody is gassed from running downfield and from rushing the passer. It just comes down the QBs and these guys were matched in excellent fashion
 

ashokan

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Should’ve stopped them when they had the chance. But a dam shame that the defense ran out of gas in the last 2 minutes. No other way to explain why they were in a prevent vs Hill’s speed, Kelcie over the middle, and Mahomes vs a 4 man rush.
Defenses get gassed in downfield shoot-outs (see Big 12)

Kelce is either greatest TE I ever saw or defenses are just incapable of covering him.
Its not like every completion to him is a jump ball, Half the time he's standing alone - every game with him is the same.
 

RUboston

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He gave himself up so the play stops.
The clock stopped because KC had a timeout.
So if the Bills don’t touch Kelce and he slides, the refs whistle the play dead and then KC calls time out? The Bills tackled him on the play. Ashokan made a good point. Bills should have squibbed the kickoff, made KC return it and start the clock running, maybe leaving time for only one play from deep in their own territory.
 

Plum Street

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So if the Bills don’t touch Kelce and he slides, the refs whistle the play dead and then KC calls time out? The Bills tackled him on the play. Ashokan made a good point. Bills should have squibbed the kickoff, made KC return it and start the clock running, maybe leaving time for only one play from deep in their own territory.
Right .
Bills blew last 13 seconds .
 

RUboston

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Is Tyreek Hill the fastest player in the league? Seems like most cornerbacks can’t even keep up with him.
 
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Sweet Pea's Corner

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After the Bills scored in regulation why not let the Chiefs return the ball for some time to come off the clock so Mahomes has ess than 13 seconds.
 
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NiTeKnight

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Feel bad for the Bills and their fans.
The way the game was going, the Bills may have won if they won the coin toss.
This game showed that the NFL needs to change their OT rules.
 

tico brown

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Defenses get gassed in downfield shoot-outs (see Big 12)

Kelce is either greatest TE I ever saw or defenses are just incapable of covering him.
Its not like every completion to him is a jump ball, Half the time he's standing alone - every game with him is the same.
Playing prevent defense allows TEs like Kelcie to be WIIIIIDEE OPEN.
 
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NickRU714

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Squib kick does nothing.
The person who stops it just lays on the ball and stops the clock/clock never starts.
Likely further up than the 25 yard line.

Squib kicks are used to prevent a long return - not waste time.

Problem with KC is that they don't need a long return (short field) in order to quickly score.
 

tico brown

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So if the Bills don’t touch Kelce and he slides, the refs whistle the play dead and then KC calls time out? The Bills tackled him on the play. Ashokan made a good point. Bills should have squibbed the kickoff, made KC return it and start the clock running, maybe leaving time for only one play from deep in their own territory.
Yup. This is a loophole that should be changed.

And I agree about Buffalo should’ve squib kicked.
 
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tico brown

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How about this for professional overtime rules:

Both teams are guaranteed one possession. Everything goes after that.
 

e5fdny

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Rams win

Most ridiculous game ever

I turned that game back on a play or two before the TD to Evans.

The wildest 4 minutes of football ever.
The late game says hold my beer to you guys. 😝
These Bills road whites would be fire with the old red helmets.
The “old” ones are the white ones.
It’s the quarterbacks, they can’t be defended
They are that good. And both so likeable. If I am the NFL, thrilled for the future.
 

Doctor Worm

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Squib kick does nothing.
The person who stops it just lays on the ball and stops the clock/clock never starts.
Likely further up than the 25 yard line.

Squib kicks are used to prevent a long return - not waste time.

Problem with KC is that they don't need a long return (short field) in order to quickly score.
You don't squib it. You lay up, to use a golf term. Kick it in the air, but take something off so that it lands between the 5 and 10.

I would think that they practice this.
 
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Kbee3

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I feel bad for those folks who said they would never watch the NFL again. That was an incredible weekend of football. 3 last second field goals and a truly epic OT game. And Brady getting bloodied a little lol.. I don't think you can ask for much more than that as a fan.
Agree.
And the KC-Buffalo game was as good as any I've ever seen.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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I never saw a college OT where I felt one team didn't lose and one team didn't win
Nobody rational can say Bufflao wouldn't have scored back
The coin toss won the game
If Buff wins the toss they probably score too

In a 4th Q shoot-out eveybody is gassed from running downfield and from rushing the passer. It just comes down the QBs and these guys were matched in excellent fashion
It is kinda fitting that New England did to KC what KC just did to Buffalo in terms of coin flip TD win.. still do not like it.. they can keep the rule as is in regular season games.. for TV purposes keeping game times lower... AND make a different rule for post-season play
 

BigEastPhil

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Most mystifying decision was defense that bills played after the kickoff.

On final pass to Kelce to set up game tying FG, there was no Bills defender near him...no one...How the F**K does that happen?

The heck with the kickoff...How does the defensive coordinator or the Bills defense allow the above to happen?
 

Doctor Worm

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Most mystifying decision was defense that bills played after the kickoff.

On final pass to Kelce to set up game tying FG, there was no Bills defender near him...no one...How the F**K does that happen?

The heck with the kickoff...How does the defensive coordinator or the Bills defense allow the above to happen?
Bills were showing the Chiefs too much respect. They were in a defense to prevent a TD, when what they needed to prevent was the 20 yard chunk play.
 

ashokan

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On final pass to Kelce to set up game tying FG, there was no Bills defender near him...no one...How the F**K does that happen?
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Tyreek Hill is just a freak that scares defenses to death. He's like a man playing among boys running around out there. I never saw anything like it. I assume that's why Kelce is so open. Kelce had normal TE stats until Tyreek made team a year before Mahomes.
 

RUforJERSEY

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Feel bad for the Bills and their fans.
The way the game was going, the Bills may have won if they won the coin toss.
This game showed that the NFL needs to change their OT rules.
Yes I'm a Bills fan and yes I'm crushed. But I'm not putting it on the OT rules. I'm laying the blame squarely on that defensive scheme in the last 13 seconds. You drop back so deep and allow the receivers a free release off the ball and to run downfield for 10-15 yards unimpeded? You make it so easy for Mahomes that he doesn't have to spend any time searching for an open receiver while at the same time seconds tick of the clock. Hill is fast enough to run thru any defense for 20-30 yards in a few seconds. You need to have somebody contact him within 5 yards. Hell even if it's beyond 5 yards it's only a 5 yard penalty. And the time that would have run off the clock wouldn't be put back on it. And on the next play to Kelce same thing. You have nobody up on him. A CB is playing outside leverage on him, and the linebacker is in the middle. Making it easy for him to just find a big open area in between them for an easy pitch and catch with room to run after the catch. They had timeouts! Just terrible. An easy 45 yards on just 2 plays with no stress and no resistance really. Just like me I hope the head coach, DC and every player on defense won't sleep well tonight.
 
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I feel bad for those folks who said they would never watch the NFL again. That was an incredible weekend of football. 3 last second field goals and a truly epic OT game. And Brady getting bloodied a little lol.. I don't think you can ask for much more than that as a fan.

What's great about this is Trump has had a vendetta against the NFL because they didn't let him buy the Bills so many decades ago and the USFL nonsense. How anyone could follow him off the cliff of not watching the NFL is ... well, unthinkable.
 
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ashokan

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Playing prevent defense allows TEs like Kelcie to be WIIIIIDEE OPEN.
That's true - but he's wide open the whole game lol

I mean the guy catches everything thrown to him and he's a legit HOF TE. But Kelce with Mahomes and Hill is a triangle of death.

Its gets worse in late quarter. Not just because of DBs getting gassed from with running with Hill - the DL runs out of gas too. Brian Billick said that one of the hardest things to do is to keep rushing the passer. I've rushed passers and it does indeed gas you. You're really getting a full body workout from head to toe. The famous Buc DL with Warren Sapp was known to be epic - until after the first 27 plays - then they were done like alligators (you can pet an alligator after it fights because it goes dormant)

A reason the combine does those 225 bench test isn't just for strength but for endurance. They could make weight higher for lineman since 225 is mere warm-up weight for them. But the teams like to see how lineman hold-up under reps. In a 4th Q like yesterday's you could see the DLs were pretty spent and the QBs relatively decent pocket conditions (compared to say Brady)