Differences in reporting from the right and left

atlkvb

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So boomer. I am NOT trolling you despite your claims I make up things you say and argue circular logic, in this particular post of things you said I genuinely want to know what your thought process is OK?

So track with me here:

You said:
I’m also a proponent of States rights on issues that are difficult to rule on

So do you support a State like California defying our immigration Laws by declaring cities "sanctuary" for illegal ailiens? Where is this Constitutional? You support States deciding which Federal Laws to obey? Does that include things like Welfare, Abortion, taxes? What's the difference?

You said:
What has always pushed me away from the rightwing is the religious absolutism, that I feel flies in the face of American ideals

The American ideal is Religious Freedom is it not? If a group of Americans choose to believe a certain Religion in its absolute terms why are you opposed to that? Who is forcing you to believe whatever they do? Aren't you just as free to reject their absolutes as they are to believe them? Do they have a right to believe what they want under your American ideal and if they do why do you have a problem with that?


You said:
The lack of seeing financial aid to impoverished Americans (both citizens and hopeful citizens) as a legitimate effort on making the nation better overall.

Do you not recognize the ongoing charity and philanthropy among Faith based groups that's serving the poor or less fortunate? Why are you against folks forcing their Religious views onto America, but you are OK with Government forcing other Americans to pay for social welfare through confiscatory taxation? Don't we have a choice under State's rights to reject forcible co contributions to Government welfare programs, especially when many of us believe it leads to a life of misery and dependence on public assistance at the expense of meaningful work? Why are people who are here illegally and not respecting of our immigration laws entitled to taxpayer aid for their economic needs? Explain that?


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And the business and wealthy centered financial approach to policy.

Businesses generally lobby against Government controls or undue interference in their operations. What would you have them do other than operate in their own best interests which primarily involve growing profitably by serving their customers? What else are they in business for and why do you support any Government controls over them which keep them from doing that?


You said:
I see more to dislike in the GOP platform, and many are former Democratic tenants. Control of trade and corporate welfare are in contrast to free market policy, and have compromised capitalism

Democrats opposed NAFTA did they not? Democrats do not want unregulated free markets isn't that correct? The Left doesn't want companies deciding on their own who to market to or charge their prices to correct? Isn't that exactly why companies lobby...to be relieved of excess Government restraints? What is corporate Welfare if Government is not demanding confiscatory taxation of corporate earnings? Suppose companies were just allowed to fairly compete for their customers both at home and abroad without any unfair trade deals set up by Governments that handicap them? What if they were allowed to simply keep what they've fairly earned? What would be "welfare" to them under that scenario unless you believe their earnings belong to Government in the first place? The Left doesn't want free market Capitalism do they? When have Democrats ever supported open & free markets with no massive Government controls?

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Out of control spending.....the things I was happy to see Democrats eliminate from their agenda, the GOP has scooped up under Trump.

Once again, when have Democrats ever advocated for smaller Government or less spending? Trump is trying to downsize the bureaucracy and privatize or subcontract out much of the work bloated Federal agencies now do and only Leftist Democrats oppose him. Why? Trump wants a line item veto, Democrats oppose it. Trump favors a balanced budget ammenemdent. Democrats oppose it. Trump advocated for lower taxes and eliminating increased funding for some programs like Food stamps, NPR and Planned Parenthood but Democrats opposed all of that. Why?


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Add to that a fierce nationalism sentiment, to the tune of turning our backs on refugees

Again, do we have a right to enforce our borders and limit who immigrates to our Country? What sovereign nation has open borders? Particularly in this time of State sponsored terrorism, why would we be willing to allow just anyone in here from anywhere? If we don't protect our homeland who will? Who else should? We don't turn our backs on refugees. We aid people all over the world fleeing disease, natural disasters, strife & tyranny...always have and probably always will as long as we don't go broke! But we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here, especially if they aim to kill Americans once they get here.


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allowing the same religious absolutism to exist, although cloaked in hypocrisy thanks to Trump’s sexual prowess and loud mouth.

So under the American ideal that you first mentioned in your post, you would not favor moral standards from Religious people? You do not want them to impose their absolute morals correct? They are NOT free to advocate for that? Or are they Hippocrates to you for NOT enforcing their morality on Trump? What do you want them to do? Demand absolutely morally acceptable sexual habits or ignore them? What are you upset with them about if you do not want to see Religuous absolutism or morals in our elected leaders? Why isn't Trump your hero? Isn't his behavior what you on the Left want for everyone or at least allowed with no restrictions or Religious condemnations? Isn't that what you have now with Trump with his poor morals and sexual promiscuity? What's the problem?


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I don’t think I’ll consider voting GOP for a very long time

Because Republicans do not allow freedom of Religion, or free trade, or free markets, or open borders, or they spend too much on Government Social welfare programs, they won't allow State's rights, and they favor open Sex? They lost your vote being for all that?


You just finished posting you disagree with all these things you said Democrats used to be for? Now you won't vote Republican anymore because they no longer allow these things Democrats suddenly support?:confused:
 
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Boomboom521

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So boomer. I am NOT trolling you despite your claims I make up things you say and argue circular logic, in this particular post of things you said I genuinely want to know what your thought process is OK?

So track with me here:

You said:


So do you support a State like California defying our immigration Laws by declaring cities "sanctuary" for illegal ailiens? Where is this Constitutional? You support States deciding which Federal Laws to obey? Does that include things like Welfare, Abortion, taxes? What's the difference?

You said:


The American ideal is Religious Freedom is it not? If a group of Americans choose to believe a certain Religion in its absolute terms why are you opposed to that? Who is forcing you to believe whatever they do? Aren't you just as free to reject their absolutes as they are to believe them? Do they have a right to believe what they want under your American ideal and if they do why do you have a problem with that?


You said:


Do you not recognize the ongoing charity and philanthropy among Faith based groups that's ongoing serving the poor or less fortunate? Why are you against folks forcing their Religious views onto America, but you are OK forcing other Americans to pay for social welfare through confiscatory taxation? Don't we have a choice under State's rights to reject forcible co contributions to Government welfare programs, especially when many of us believe it leads to a life of misery and dependence on public assistance at the expense of meaningful work. Why are people who are here illegally and not respecting of our immigration laws entitled to taxpayer aid for their economic needs? Explain that?


You said:


Businesses generally lobby against Government controls or interference in their operations. What would you have them do other than operate in their own best interests which primarily involve growing profitably by serving their customers? What else are they in business for and why do you support Government controls over them which keep them from doing that?


You said:


Democrats opposed NAFTA did they not? Democrats do not want unregulated free markets isn't that correct? The Left doesn't want companies deciding on their own who to market to or charge their prices to right? Isn't that exactly why compabies lobby...to be relieved of Government restraints? What is corporate Welfare if Government is not demanding confiscatory taxation of corporate earnings? What if companies were just allowed to fairly conpete for customers both at home and abroad without any trade deals set up by the Government that handicapps them or what if they were allowed to simply keep what they fairly earned? What would be "welfare" under that scenario? The Left doesn't want free market Capitalism do they? When have Democrats ever supported open free markets as you posted?

You said


Once again when have Democrats advocated for smaller Government and less spending? Trump is trying to downsize the bureaucracy and privatize or subcontract out much of the work bloated Federal agencies do and only Leftist Democrats oppose him. Why? Trump wants a line item veto, Democrats oppose it. Trump favors a balanced budget ammenemdent Democrats oppose it. Trump advocated for lower taxes and eliminating funding for some programs like Food stamps, NPR and Planned Parenthood but Democrats opposed all of that. Why?


You said:


Again, do we have a right to enforce our borders and limit who immigrates to our Country. What sovereign nation has open borders? Particularly in this time of State sponsored terrorism, why would we be willing to allow anyone in here from anywhere? If we don't protect our homeland who will? Who else should? We don't turn our backs on refugees. We aid people all over the world fleeing tyranny...always have and always will. But we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here, especially if they aim to kill Americans once they get here.


You said:


So under your American ideal that you first mentioned, do you not favor moral standards from Religious people? You do not want them to impose their morals? They are not free to advocate for that? Or are they Hippocrates to you for NOT enforcing their morality on Trump? What do you want them to do? Demand morally acceptable sexual habits or ignore them? What are you upset with them about if you do not want to see Religuous absolutism or morals in our elected leaders? Why isn't Trump your hero? Isn't his behavior what you on the Left want allowed with no restrictions or Religious condemnations? Isn't that what you have now in Trump with his poor morals and sexual promiscuity?


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Because Republicans do not allow freedom of Religion, or free trade, or free markets, or open borders, or they spend too much on Government Social welfare programs, won't allow State's rights, and favor open Sex?



You just finished posting you disagree with all of these things you said Democrats used to be for. Now you won't vote Republican anymore because they no longer allow these things Democrats support?:confused:
You’re a fvcking loon
 

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You’re a fvcking loon


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atlkvb

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You’re a fvcking loon

That's fine. But stop accusing me of making up things you say when all I ever do is try to understand it. You don't want to explain yourself? Fine. What did I "make up"?

I quoted you exactly on what YOU said and I still can't figure out what the Hell it is?
 

atlkvb

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You’re a fvcking loon

...and this unfortunately is your default response whenever you are asked to defend what you believe or say. So rather than explain yourself you resort to childish name calling.

That's cool. But you took some of your time today to complain how I misconstrue what you say or plant words into your arguments using circular logic that ends up being a waste of your time didn't you?

So I took a considerable amount of my time today to carefully quote you and politely ask you to explain yourself and this is your response? I admit that post was lengthy, but the reason I did it was to show the board with your own words how you cannot defend or stand by whatever it is you believe.

I frankly grow tired of your contant complaints about how obtuse I am, when I usually ask you at every opportunity to explain yourself as I did here. I quoted you EXACTLY as you spoke, it was a perfect opportunity for you to refute every inaccurate charge or mistatement I made about your positions. However as you normally do, you simply refused to engage, or explain yourself, or defend what you actually believe or support. Probably because you cannot.

I simply read back to you what you said, so you were able to see by your own words how completely incoherent you sound talking out of all sides of your demonstrably relativistic mouth.
 

atlkvb

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All of our rights come from the US Constitution.

You think some imaginary being is going to make a law giving us a new right or more rights? Good luck with that.

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”
 

atlkvb

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I consider myself atheist because I don't think that there really is anything.

Offer irrefutable PROOF that anything you just said was factual.

You can't.

in the end, you have ZERO PROOF

I'm humble enough to recognize that I have no proof of my stance and I could be wrong. It bothers me that evangelicals won't admit the same.

OK...so I accepted your challenges and statements made in these posts and linked you to my offering for all of the proof you demanded. No tricks, no "gotcha" quotes. Just a straight forward honest examination of the evidence that does exist for creation, but which you obviously reject.

So what was your reaction to the evidence you were presented? Was it convincing? If it wasn't, why not? What was in error? What parts? You demanded proof, I presented it, so what's your call on it? This is your chance to refute every word of it.

So far it's been silence. It's one thing to insist there is no proof or evidence. It's quite another to deny it exists or even what it reveals. But it's a whole other level of arrogance to simply insist there is nothing, yet refuse to even look at what it is you claim doesn't exist! (evidence & proof of intelligent design in all of creation)

That's fine...you are free to believe in nothing. However as a matter of logic that cannot be rationally argued no matter what ever else you reject or believe. It's like arguing there is no such thing as reality when you wallow in it everyday trying to disprove what it clearly reveals on a daily basis.

Rock on Dude.
 
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WVU82_rivals

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just laughing at all the hypocritical bs I see on here on a daily basis...

the only thing fake is you...