So boomer. I am NOT trolling you despite your claims I make up things you say and argue circular logic, in this particular post of things you said I genuinely want to know what your thought process is OK?
So track with me here:
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So do you support a State like California defying our immigration Laws by declaring cities "sanctuary" for illegal ailiens? Where is this Constitutional? You support States deciding which Federal Laws to obey? Does that include things like Welfare, Abortion, taxes? What's the difference?
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The American ideal is Religious Freedom is it not? If a group of Americans choose to believe a certain Religion in its absolute terms why are you opposed to that? Who is forcing you to believe whatever they do? Aren't you just as free to reject their absolutes as they are to believe them? Do they have a right to believe what they want under your American ideal and if they do why do you have a problem with that?
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Do you not recognize the ongoing charity and philanthropy among Faith based groups that's serving the poor or less fortunate? Why are you against folks forcing their Religious views onto America, but you are OK with Government forcing other Americans to pay for social welfare through confiscatory taxation? Don't we have a choice under State's rights to reject forcible co contributions to Government welfare programs, especially when many of us believe it leads to a life of misery and dependence on public assistance at the expense of meaningful work? Why are people who are here illegally and not respecting of our immigration laws entitled to taxpayer aid for their economic needs? Explain that?
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Businesses generally lobby against Government controls or undue interference in their operations. What would you have them do other than operate in their own best interests which primarily involve growing profitably by serving their customers? What else are they in business for and why do you support any Government controls over them which keep them from doing that?
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Democrats opposed NAFTA did they not? Democrats do not want unregulated free markets isn't that correct? The Left doesn't want companies deciding on their own who to market to or charge their prices to correct? Isn't that exactly why companies lobby...to be relieved of excess Government restraints? What is corporate Welfare if Government is not demanding confiscatory taxation of corporate earnings? Suppose companies were just allowed to fairly compete for their customers both at home and abroad without any unfair trade deals set up by Governments that handicap them? What if they were allowed to simply keep what they've fairly earned? What would be "welfare" to them under that scenario unless you believe their earnings belong to Government in the first place? The Left doesn't want free market Capitalism do they? When have Democrats ever supported open & free markets with no massive Government controls?
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Once again, when have Democrats ever advocated for smaller Government or less spending? Trump is trying to downsize the bureaucracy and privatize or subcontract out much of the work bloated Federal agencies now do and only Leftist Democrats oppose him. Why? Trump wants a line item veto, Democrats oppose it. Trump favors a balanced budget ammenemdent. Democrats oppose it. Trump advocated for lower taxes and eliminating increased funding for some programs like Food stamps, NPR and Planned Parenthood but Democrats opposed all of that. Why?
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Again, do we have a right to enforce our borders and limit who immigrates to our Country? What sovereign nation has open borders? Particularly in this time of State sponsored terrorism, why would we be willing to allow just anyone in here from anywhere? If we don't protect our homeland who will? Who else should? We don't turn our backs on refugees. We aid people all over the world fleeing disease, natural disasters, strife & tyranny...always have and probably always will as long as we don't go broke! But we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here, especially if they aim to kill Americans once they get here.
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So under the American ideal that you first mentioned in your post, you would not favor moral standards from Religious people? You do not want them to impose their absolute morals correct? They are NOT free to advocate for that? Or are they Hippocrates to you for NOT enforcing their morality on Trump? What do you want them to do? Demand absolutely morally acceptable sexual habits or ignore them? What are you upset with them about if you do not want to see Religuous absolutism or morals in our elected leaders? Why isn't Trump your hero? Isn't his behavior what you on the Left want for everyone or at least allowed with no restrictions or Religious condemnations? Isn't that what you have now with Trump with his poor morals and sexual promiscuity? What's the problem?
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Because Republicans do not allow freedom of Religion, or free trade, or free markets, or open borders, or they spend too much on Government Social welfare programs, they won't allow State's rights, and they favor open Sex? They lost your vote being for all that?
You just finished posting you disagree with all these things you said Democrats used to be for? Now you won't vote Republican anymore because they no longer allow these things Democrats suddenly support?
So track with me here:
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I’m also a proponent of States rights on issues that are difficult to rule on
So do you support a State like California defying our immigration Laws by declaring cities "sanctuary" for illegal ailiens? Where is this Constitutional? You support States deciding which Federal Laws to obey? Does that include things like Welfare, Abortion, taxes? What's the difference?
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What has always pushed me away from the rightwing is the religious absolutism, that I feel flies in the face of American ideals
The American ideal is Religious Freedom is it not? If a group of Americans choose to believe a certain Religion in its absolute terms why are you opposed to that? Who is forcing you to believe whatever they do? Aren't you just as free to reject their absolutes as they are to believe them? Do they have a right to believe what they want under your American ideal and if they do why do you have a problem with that?
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The lack of seeing financial aid to impoverished Americans (both citizens and hopeful citizens) as a legitimate effort on making the nation better overall.
Do you not recognize the ongoing charity and philanthropy among Faith based groups that's serving the poor or less fortunate? Why are you against folks forcing their Religious views onto America, but you are OK with Government forcing other Americans to pay for social welfare through confiscatory taxation? Don't we have a choice under State's rights to reject forcible co contributions to Government welfare programs, especially when many of us believe it leads to a life of misery and dependence on public assistance at the expense of meaningful work? Why are people who are here illegally and not respecting of our immigration laws entitled to taxpayer aid for their economic needs? Explain that?
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And the business and wealthy centered financial approach to policy.
Businesses generally lobby against Government controls or undue interference in their operations. What would you have them do other than operate in their own best interests which primarily involve growing profitably by serving their customers? What else are they in business for and why do you support any Government controls over them which keep them from doing that?
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I see more to dislike in the GOP platform, and many are former Democratic tenants. Control of trade and corporate welfare are in contrast to free market policy, and have compromised capitalism
Democrats opposed NAFTA did they not? Democrats do not want unregulated free markets isn't that correct? The Left doesn't want companies deciding on their own who to market to or charge their prices to correct? Isn't that exactly why companies lobby...to be relieved of excess Government restraints? What is corporate Welfare if Government is not demanding confiscatory taxation of corporate earnings? Suppose companies were just allowed to fairly compete for their customers both at home and abroad without any unfair trade deals set up by Governments that handicap them? What if they were allowed to simply keep what they've fairly earned? What would be "welfare" to them under that scenario unless you believe their earnings belong to Government in the first place? The Left doesn't want free market Capitalism do they? When have Democrats ever supported open & free markets with no massive Government controls?
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Out of control spending.....the things I was happy to see Democrats eliminate from their agenda, the GOP has scooped up under Trump.
Once again, when have Democrats ever advocated for smaller Government or less spending? Trump is trying to downsize the bureaucracy and privatize or subcontract out much of the work bloated Federal agencies now do and only Leftist Democrats oppose him. Why? Trump wants a line item veto, Democrats oppose it. Trump favors a balanced budget ammenemdent. Democrats oppose it. Trump advocated for lower taxes and eliminating increased funding for some programs like Food stamps, NPR and Planned Parenthood but Democrats opposed all of that. Why?
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Add to that a fierce nationalism sentiment, to the tune of turning our backs on refugees
Again, do we have a right to enforce our borders and limit who immigrates to our Country? What sovereign nation has open borders? Particularly in this time of State sponsored terrorism, why would we be willing to allow just anyone in here from anywhere? If we don't protect our homeland who will? Who else should? We don't turn our backs on refugees. We aid people all over the world fleeing disease, natural disasters, strife & tyranny...always have and probably always will as long as we don't go broke! But we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here, especially if they aim to kill Americans once they get here.
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allowing the same religious absolutism to exist, although cloaked in hypocrisy thanks to Trump’s sexual prowess and loud mouth.
So under the American ideal that you first mentioned in your post, you would not favor moral standards from Religious people? You do not want them to impose their absolute morals correct? They are NOT free to advocate for that? Or are they Hippocrates to you for NOT enforcing their morality on Trump? What do you want them to do? Demand absolutely morally acceptable sexual habits or ignore them? What are you upset with them about if you do not want to see Religuous absolutism or morals in our elected leaders? Why isn't Trump your hero? Isn't his behavior what you on the Left want for everyone or at least allowed with no restrictions or Religious condemnations? Isn't that what you have now with Trump with his poor morals and sexual promiscuity? What's the problem?
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I don’t think I’ll consider voting GOP for a very long time
Because Republicans do not allow freedom of Religion, or free trade, or free markets, or open borders, or they spend too much on Government Social welfare programs, they won't allow State's rights, and they favor open Sex? They lost your vote being for all that?
You just finished posting you disagree with all these things you said Democrats used to be for? Now you won't vote Republican anymore because they no longer allow these things Democrats suddenly support?
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