Did Lincoln get it wrong?
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No but Andrew Johnson should have had Nathan Bedford Forest and others like him shot.
You don't think his willingness to go-easy on the confederates lead to them being accepted in society and allowed the culture to live...and monuments to be built, erected, and accepted?
He was being practical. He couldn't just wipe the south clean of former Confederates. They were a big part of the country and he had to include them. Of course we'll never know exactly what he would have done had he lived.
I don't think the problem was Lincoln, rather I think the problem was the successive generations of politicians after that weren't continually pushing for gradual improvements for black people. How is it that in the early 1900s people were putting up statues of Confederate heroes and nobody objecting, not even on the national level presumably?
The larger moral for all this, and it can be applied to lots of different things, is that there are no shortcuts around reality. Putting a big thing off so you don't have to face it today only makes it that much bigger when you have to face it tomorrow.
No, they should have gradually erased the desire for the monuments (to traitors to the US) to be erected. The American-ness of everybody...northern whites, southern whites, black..should have been emphasized. The desire to erect statues to Confederates indicates a lack of pride in America. The US won the fighting war on the battlefield but after that was over it needed to continue to fight the war for the minds of southerners. Southerners building monuments to Confederates a half century after the Civil War indicates the US wasn't winning their minds.
The racial divide down south was in stone. Heck, Jim Crow laws lasted almost 100 years.
No. It was part of the negotiations to end the war. I doubt the thought of local governments erecting statues of the traitors decades later even entered his mind.
And the question is, how do you change that if you're a politician 150 years ago...or is there even a way to change it. And as far as changing it fast, no way you could, but maybe incrementally it could somehow change.
Whatever you think of racial relations in the south today, they're obviously much better than 150 years ago. So things do change. How and why exactly do they change? I guess if you could answer that one you'd be on the receiving end of a Nobel.
Shouldn't this be decided by the local governments where said statues are erected? Which is the case.
Do you honestly think statues teach future generations? Statues honor. Texts teach.
Yes...never said it shouldn't be. Hopefully someone is seeing value in keeping them for future use for future generations and not just destroying them...if not those folks aren't much better than the ISIS folks that seek to erase history.
So if those governments decide to take down the statues.....I bet you still whine about it. Wait.....isn't that what's happening now?
I believe they are being preserved, just taken out of public view. The criminals in Raleigh should be and will be prosecuted.
I believe I stated my view on the removal of statues...maybe you can show me where have whined about it.
Teach to honor the men/women in the statue....maybe. But no statue provides a comprehensive understanding of any aspect of history. I often use Lee as an example of the loyalty to ones state that was a common sentiment in the 19th century. Derivative of a colonial mindset that led to the birth of the nation. A statue in no way illustrates the correct relief of him as a man.
You are right now. The decision to remove the Lee statue and rename the park was made by......yet you, the nazis, and our President want to overrule that decision?
No dipshit I don't have an issue with removal of the statues as long as they are being preserved for some other use.
The issue I have with the Charlottesville incident is that the Nazis like anyone else in this country have the right to free speech...and the left-jihad went there to physically prevent that free speech. Two separate issues numbnuts.
I don't reread bs on here. If I misstated your opinion of the Charlottesville decision, than I apologize.
I heard on the radio that there's a big push to excuse those folks in Durham that yanked down the monument.
Not sure what definition of whining we are using, but you have posted 5-6 threads on statues this week.
Far enough. But you started this thread didn't you? AND you just stated that these statues teach history....so, I'd bet you're against their removal? Preserve them in the basement / backyard of some bigot's home....sure.
I'm sure there will be an effort made by some, but what a terrible precedent that would be.
All I can say is WV got it right in prying ourselves away from the eastern VA fvckers. Can't wait to pound them into the ground in a couple weeks.
Yes he was and his true racist southern roots surfaced when he took office.
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another gem of president.....I guess you could substitute uneducated-whites and republican into this quote and attribute the quote to Trump or Bannon
No I didn't. It was in the picture for some reason. I said, "another gem of president.....I guess you could substitute uneducated-whites and republican into this quote and attribute the quote to Trump or Bannon."
Sorry, the board's been a little glitchy lately. Trump and Bannon are not racists.
2 things:
1) the Chicago public school system obviously should do a better job teaching history
2) I guess in the middle of the night, one could confuse Lincoln and Jeff Davis