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I doubt Moos was rocketed out of here and Trev was brought in to maintain the status quo regarding the incompetence of coaching and the obvious trending of the program.
Like many management types, "some" have the ability to make things so difficult for the existing man in place to pick his own poison. In business, a certain manager type will tacitly force a coach to choose between his own best financial interest, and the interest of his friends (coaches he hired).
It begins with something like a comment from Trev to SF like "our offensive line hasn't shown any improvement after 3+ years."
Then the next week it's "why does Martinez keep throwing the ball flat-footed after he's been in this system for over 3 years now?"
Some of the dudes I worked with over the years have just mastered the ability to just start suffocating someone who they want to get rid of, but not having it perceived that way publicly.
Scott was given carte blanche by this University and it was done with or without Moos's approval.
Those days are over, and when you take a big ego like Scott and show him that he is no longer the boss, that is a devastating blow.
The only hangup that Trev has is that contract. And how to make Scott's ego and loyalty work against all that money.
Just guessing here, might be completely full of crap.
It would be interesting on how those that work in the Athletic Department view Trev and what they like or don't like about him.
His fundamentally sound team also lost to Arkansas St, West Virginia twice, Texas twice, and Baylor twice Weird how it looks good to say he beat Oklahoma when you don't include the bad losses.
queue the excuses for that in 3.2.1....
IMO, the buyout amount is a tad overblown since it would be spread out in $2M type of payments per year after the initial payment. In a few years, he would be off the books.
That's if the NCAA investigation has no impact on it and that we aren't going to know in a public forum.
Today their direction looks vastly different. Maybe that changes, but for now, Chip is winning.
I pretty much agree with all of this.
I just don't think you tell a coach, "scrap all you know and all you think about how to win football and do this instead", I think what you do is just look at the results and decide if they suck or not and if they do, you fire the guy and go get the guy that you believe does things the way you think they should be done.
His recruiting is lame, has he sent anyone to the NFL and they are average at best. Not really all that impressed.
He runs a power run offense. If you look at the list of the candidates that AD @antirowboat has come up with, you will see the common theme.
I am starting to think that people don't know what "power" means.
****, we still have a ton of fans that think NU should go back to the triple option, which I don't think they ever really ran.
Monken is really interesting BUT he is an Illinois native and they did not go after him, which is interesting. I think he turns the Illini into a bowl team every single year.
I don't know if he has the "upside", that might be the wrong word, for that NU fans really want. But for what it is worth, Frost stole one of his plays for the Fordham game, just out of the gun instead of under center.
Venables would be interesting (not happening) because he would hire the best offensive staff he could.
Kansas vs Coastal Carolina is this Friday. Coastal Carolina should win that game comfortably, but it will be interesting to see how Lance does.
Army plays Western Kentucky. that should be another *** whipping by Army. Jeff Monken is the most underrated head coach in college football.
Kansas State plays an FCS school.
Army plays Western Kentucky. that should be another *** whipping by Army. Jeff Monken is the most underrated head coach in college football.
Kansas State plays an FCS school.
None of the above. Your wisdom exceeds all of them especially the current staff. If you are not the next HC of Nebraska at least your name should be printed above the vendors name on the many portable outhouses.
I'm not a fan of AAC coaches making the next move up. Yes, Herman went 32-18 at Texas and that wasn't good enough to keep his job. I have a theory on coaches from that AAC conference and its has at least some merit.
Charlie Strong at Texas, Norell at Florida State, Fuentes at VA Tech, Frost at NU, and even Luke Fickell at Cincy (who like the others is doing a really nice job at current time).
That OSU program from 2006 to 2010 went 13-1, 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, and 12-1. Then from 2012 OSU to 2016 they went 13-0, 12-2, 15-1, 12-1, and 11-2. The year I omitted was 2011 when the Buckeyes went 6-7 and managed to lose to the Huskers. The interim coach was Luke.
Maybe my theory is just a coincidence. At this point the only one who actually proved he could coach winning football playing the big boys is Tom Herman.
Fire away!
You aren't wrong. Not all coaches as they rise through the ranks are going to become winners. Most never become winners. Most end up failing and fired and back to their coordinator type of jobs or some NFL gig.
Even some P5 coaches like Gus Malzahn get pushed out by desperate boosters who want a national title yesterday.
Scott Frost will live the rest of his life as a millionaire because of Milton. He is arguably the worst P5 head coach in college football now that the data is in.
Even the ND head coach had a rough start at Notre Dame before he broke through.
In the end, there are very few elite head coaches in the sport from the NFL to high school. In the college ranks, it's Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Now that Urban is gone Nick has no competition. There is no major superstar head coach moving up the ranks that will compare with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Both of those guys are once in a lifetime GOATs.
The power offenses that currently aren't winning anything of significance. But you have to be "Smashmouth" Tuco, don't you know that. SMASHMOUTH!
I'll be watching that one. Leipold will try to control the clock and keep the scoring down. It's their only chance.
How is Chadwell not a similar hire to Frost? Seems we’d like some P5 bonifides this time around
Not advocating for Tom Herman, but he was Urban Meyer's Offensive Coordinator/QB coach for 3 years, had 2 good seasons at Houston, and then was fired from Texas after going 32-18. He would be a gigantic improvement over native Scott.
Any chance you would consider modifying that coaches list to eliminate the 4 coaches with single digit votes and include Tom Herman to see if he generates any interest? Thanks
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1 4–3–1 5th L Independence
1996 Michigan State 6–6 5–3 5th L Sun
1997 Michigan State 7–5 4–4 6th L Aloha
1998 Michigan State 6–6 4–4 6th
1999 Michigan State 9–2[n 2] 6–2 T–2nd Florida Citrus
His first 4 years were a struggle. In year 4, he had a huge upset, then lost to unranked teams. Year 4 got a huge upset beating #1 ranked Ohio State in Columbus.